I missed it... Who is this Othello person? From the way it looks, I guess I haven't missed anything.

By Crimson (152.163.205.74) on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 12:02 am:

By Crimson (152.163.204.59) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 10:14 pm:

By Swampfox8 (63.11.114.94) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 06:11 pm:

SORRY MAD SCIENTIST, I COULDN'T RESIST.

By Swampfox8 (63.11.114.94) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 06:10 pm:

OTHELLO, YOU MUST HAVE A SHORT DUDE COMPLEX INSULTING WOMEN WITH YOUR WEENY TALK! YOU MAKE ME VERY HAPPY THAT I DO HAVE A CHOICE IN THE KIND OF PERSON THAT I AM AND NOT SOME LAME-ASS LIKE YOURSELF WHO HAS TO BRING HIS JIMMY INTO YOUR POSTS!! GO BACK TO YOUR LITTLE TRASH TALKING XXX SITES AND LEAVE THE INTELLIGENT CONVERSATIONS FOR THE PEOPLE HERE WHO COULD DO WITHOUT ANOTHER LAME-ASS SO-CALLED BROTHER LIKE YOURSELF. OH, AND REMEMBER, SOMETIMES CONVERSATIONS WILL LEAD TO OTHERS AND MAY NOT COINCIDE WITH THE TOPIC HENCE THE SUBJECT CHANGES.

By Mad_scientist (134.124.212.217) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 05:12 pm:

We need not reply to this 'Othello' person, because Spade will take care of him. In fact, for a person like this to name himself 'Othello' is a great insult to Shakespeare, and to the character 'Othello' himself.

By Othello (12.77.8.53) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 04:48 pm:

By Othello (12.77.8.53) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 04:26 pm:

By Ishvara (38.163.112.88) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 02:47 pm:

Oh yeah he did and I second Hector's suggestion.

By Othello (12.77.8.30) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 02:39 pm:

By Hectorvelasquez (63.175.43.212) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 02:32 pm:

Othello, when you graduate from the first grade, come back and MAYBE I'll explain why we don't want your ass here.

And yes Othello, I'm better than you.

By Othello (12.77.8.30) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 02:26 pm:

By Othello (12.77.8.30) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 02:13 pm:

By Melirosa (208.166.11.98) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 02:06 pm:

oh hell no!!!!!!! honkies? polishing his pole? gold draggin the ground? plowin snow white? no he did not!!!!!!!!

By Hectorvelasquez (63.175.43.212) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 02:00 pm:

Perhaps we should pursue a "scorched earth" policy. Spade would you consider deleting this entire subject created by Maximus considering the type of people/shit it is drawing?

By Othello (12.77.8.30) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 01:43 pm:

By Browneyes (198.86.22.71) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 01:06 pm:

I've run into a lot of bm in my short lifespan... and sure there have been plenty of attractive ones, but just like with any race, you have pretty and ugly in all races, so I don't think one race is more attractive than the next. I just think it's funny that with all the animosity many bw/wm have with the ww/bm situation, it's funny to hear bm make comments like, "girl, you can do so much better than that," or "she thinks she's all that," or "oh, you're too good for a brother?" or "she must be a golddigger." Especially, "now you KNOW whitey can't please you like I can." (It's a shame some have nothing else to offer a woman except what's purely physical) It's funny in the sense that black women who date IR also have our own stereotypes to put up with. If we have a white man, usually it's believed that it's a status thing. I struggle everyday myself to keep on distinguishing myself from so many others it's tiring. I understand exactly how it must feel for the ww who go through the same thing. It doesn't bother me as much as it did before, but to people who still make snide remarks about my being a goldigger, sorry homie, but Miss browneyes has a job and an education, and I don't play that.

By Ishvara (38.163.112.88) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 12:39 pm:

Well Fran to answer you're question, usually when confronted with ignorance I do not feed the fire so to speak with more anger. I will though very firmly state their ignorance with sweet sarcasm if appropriate. Depends on the situation, how safe I feel and who it's coming from. The time a WM grabbed me up against him stating that he was as big as any black guy, I reacted violently. He touched my physical persons without my consent, plus I was in a club with a lot of people so there wasn't much he could do, I just wanted to get away from him, I felt completely violated. That was a special circumstance. Overall though it's best to combat hate with love. I am a firm believer in this. Usually they have my pity and sympathy that their view on life is so narrow and their heart and soul so closed. I too can't understand why someone wouldn't find a BM attractive!

By Randyt (12.77.13.196) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 10:41 am:

Roberto - Your comment about love is great! I'm just starting a free discussion group for people who want to keep to the subject. This site has been trashed.

By Randyt (12.77.13.196) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 10:32 am:

These sites don't generate money.

By Melirosa (208.166.11.98) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 10:16 am:

roberto-
you are so right. i think that we were making our opinions known and because they didn't agree with them, they thought it was necessary to start the name calling, acting as immature young children would when they don't get their way, setting out to hurt someones feelings, but definitely not succeeding.

By Roberto (205.188.197.41) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 10:10 am:

So much for using this site for advertising to prop up ones own business, regardless of personal and emotional cost to others. How selfish we have become. ~ Roberto

By Randyt (12.77.13.196) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 10:06 am:

Stick to the topic. Others started the insults. I have started a new by-invitation discussion group at egroups. Bye.

By Roberto (205.188.197.41) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 10:03 am:

Margaret:

Love is a special thing between a man and woman. When it involves interracial love its even more special, because of the price that is paid to obtain it. Margaret never cheapen your love or yourself. If the one you have is not fulfilling your needs, then you need to be honest with yourself and him that you either try to make it work or just simply leave the relationship. Multiple sex or tri-sexual relationaships today are dangerous, because of AIDS and other viruses. Do yourself a favor find "true love" with one partner that is fulfilling for the long term, rather than "multiples" for the short term. ~ Roberto

By Melirosa (208.166.11.98) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 09:58 am:

randyt-
you are obviously the ignorant one if you say that none of the topics between white women and black men have been adressed by me or any of these other women. maybe You, my dear, need to learn how to read and go back over all of the previous posts and then make an informed determination on the issues that you feel haven't been addressed. and to answer your question about me being "too stupid", think what you may. your opinion of me is absolutely not on my list of things to worry about, i can assure you. have a nice day!!

By Roberto (205.188.197.41) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 09:50 am:

Why is it when people disagree they result in ultimately insulting one another. This forum is for enlightment, not personal destruction. Melirosa and others, you made some good points. What is needed for people to understanding the way to respectfully disagree is to give and take, based on true understanding and not the primal impulse to hurt the other. ~ Roberto

By Randyt (12.77.13.196) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 09:39 am:

Stick to the topic. The name of this site is whitewomenblackmen. There are guidelines expressed in the opening pages. The question posed for this discussion is very clear, but obviously some people are either purposefully trying to subvert this site, or are too stupid to read. Not one of your comments have been about this topic. Why don't you create your own site? Are you also too stupid to do that?

By Melirosa (208.166.11.98) on Wednesday, February 7, 2001 - 09:29 am:

randyt
no, i will not protest the site just because of margares comments, like ishvara and the other women here, i WILL give my opinions on all the topics, even the smutty ones. don't insult our intelligence by saying that we are not understanding her posts. they are loud and clear and there is no underlying deeper meaning to them. you have probably done the best thing for the both of you when you gave her your e-mail address. that way, the both of you can discuss any topic you like without us "witchy" women hindering you with our opinions. and about the pissing off comment you made, you couldn't be more wrong. i was no where near "pissed off". a subject with such little meaning, that has nothing to do with real, serious, issues between black men and white women doesn't have the ability to piss me off. just merely stating my opinion as i strong minded woman. sorry if you can't handle it. why don't the both of you protest the site?

By Anon2000 (207.218.73.7) on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 10:42 pm:

browneyes,
thank you for understanding!

By Frangiapani (203.54.153.206) on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 09:53 pm:

I have looked back on and read margarets posts and now I am seeing the low class side of her. I dont think there is anything wrong with her opinions either, but this is obviously the wrong site for her.
Ishvara; I know what that is like, to be looked at as easy or "the type" as soon as you mention you are with a black man. I dont get mad, but I am easily upset when people even think of me in that way. I like yours and other views of the people on this site. Some people cant understand why I want a black man, and I cant understand why anyone wouldnt! What do you do when someone deliberately insults you to your face about your black man? Is it better to shrug it off or give them a peice of your mind?

By Ishvara (4.54.118.104) on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 09:14 pm:

Randy,
You should have included Browneyes, she eloquently explained exactly what my problem with Margaret is. Since you don't live my life you couldn't possible understand my position. I am sick of people assuming I'm easy, freaky, a sex fiend, etc. etc. as soon as they find out my boyfriend is black! I put up with enough from racists nevermind men black and white who think I'm an easy conquest. Why should we have these discussions here? Maximus started the thread and if you read the following posts nobody picked up the topic until her. I don't think there are too many people who come here that are into that type of thing or discussing it. As I said before she could probably find a site better suiting her needs. I won't boycott as a sign of protest, I'd much rather give my opinion so that any after me can see another side. I might be a witch, yes I do like that I am a witchy women. I don't hate or judge Margaret for the choices she makes, I just don't like the fact that she embodies the very stereotype I struggle with.

By Randyt (12.77.56.45) on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 05:16 pm:

Margaret, please email me at randyt@(German for retribution - kie).com (hope you like puzzles!)

By Randyt (12.77.56.45) on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 05:11 pm:

The original question ends with "LET THE SECRET OUT OF THE BOX AND LETS HAVE A FRANK AND OPEN DISCUSSION." While you are entitled to your opinion... your comments, Isvara, Melirosa and Hector, seem to violate that premise. Not only that, but you have obviously either not read or understood the message you are reacting to. While I agree with some of your points, I think you ought to keep your comments within the scope of the original question. Since you obviously disagree with the topic itself, why don't you boycott the topic, or, better yet, boycott the whole site!
Some people seem to have an attitude and are easy (and fun) to p*** off, Melirosa. Margaret is not the only one who needs to get a life! You lame brains need to go back and read the original question.
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Margaret, I read that about Lewis and Clark also. Good stuff, but I suggest that you not put anything of a personal nature here. Although I'd like to know if you're actually morally bankrupt, the witches might put a spell on you. I suspect that there is some tongue-in-cheek to your messages. I bet you’re a funny gal. You be careful and take good care of yourself! If I find a site without these venomous snakes, I'll try let you know.

By Browneyes (198.86.22.39) on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 01:37 pm:

Margaret-

While I happen to be a BLACK woman who dates interracially, reading your posts really makes me understand exactly why some black women and white men have no respect for IR relationships. This is exactly part of the reason why especially bm/ww IRs are never going to be totally respected... THERE IS NOTHING IN THE WORLD THAT FASCINATING ABOUT SEX WITH A DIFFERENT RACE. What, skin tone?? I don't mean to be graphic or distasteful (and sorry in advance to anyone who feels that way) but genitalia serves the same purpose, so what difference does the skin tone make?

Not only does this sort of thing cheapen those IRs who are with each other, not for what color their skin is or for sex, but it also cheapens the sanctity of marriage. The whole purpose of sex, originally was for a husband and wife to give themselves to each other (which is how a marriage is consummated), but sadly, we as a society think of sex as nothing more than a physical activity that feels good for a few hours.

By Ishvara (38.163.112.55) on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 12:48 pm:

Melirosa,

You and me girl think along the same lines, I too was going to suggest another forum for Margaret that would better suit her needs, so I'll just add my post as support of what you explained.

By Melirosa (208.166.11.98) on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 12:21 pm:

margaret-
like hector says, no, we don't want to hear your story and if you don't like the content of our discussions here and you are looking for a forum of a more sexual nature, maybe you should find one. while we are human beings and i am sure we all enjoy sex as much as anyone else, we choose to discuss other important issues relating to interracial relationships. i am sure there are plenty of sites out there that can accomadate you. and yes, we can all get along if you would stick to the issues and stop trying to create contention by posting your messages about having a man deep inside your mouth and your extramarital expeditions! we choose not discuss sleeze, so if you feel the need to, you are the one who needs to find another web-site and stop insisting to everyone here that we need to stop attacking what it is you are talking about. wouldn't that be easier? it seems as though you are a glutton for punishment. either that or you are trying to piss people off. get a life!

By Hectorvelasquez (204.248.132.90) on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 11:22 am:

NO WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR EXTRAMARITAL ESCAPADES!!!!!!!!!!!

By Margaretl (12.77.8.4) on Tuesday, February 6, 2001 - 10:14 am:

Maximus
I put this message under one of your other discussions, but it may be more appropriate here...
You seem to have touched on a nerve with some people. There are all sorts of relationships between people, and you address one of the more puzzling. It is well documented that Native American Tribes invited the lone Black man on the Lewis and Clark expedition to have sex with their wives. I think some of the interest may come from an innate knowledge of the value of genetic diversity and hybrid vigor. Some of the interest comes from the husbands, and may be similar to the vicarious thrill they get from watching athletes. Sometimes people like watching a job well done. Personally, I like a good romp, but I would never exclude my husband from my sex life, or do anything behind his back. Maximus, I don't know if this is the appropriate place to write it, but, since you seem to be the one who asked the question, do you want to here my story?

P.S. Since people who are not interested in this topic can't seem to keep from adding messages, would it be possible for the person in charge of this site to remove the bickering and personal attacks from the messages so the site is easier to read? Wouldn't it be better for people to just add their own message rather than judging or attacking other participants? Why can't we all just get along?