| By Cat (205.188.192.181) on Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 09:56 pm: |
Hi Spade,
I'm glad to read that your mind is at least partially open to the idea that I am not using different identities. Of course, I know that I'm not. In fact, I'm probably the only one on this site that uses their real name. I don't have the background to know how to manipulate IP addresses. I only know anything at all about IPs because I work for a software company that ties license keys to the IP address. My role there is more administrative than highly technical.
There's probably not much I can do to convince you, so I won't try beyond sending you this. I'll continue to post because I like the site. Eventually you'll get used to the tone in my messages compared to someone like Anajansi and will know for certain that I am not associated with him.
Cat
| By Spade (63.28.239.74) on Friday, October 26, 2001 - 02:06 am: |
So would that mean that everyone whose ISP is Aol has the same subnet? Hi Spade, It looks like IPs are assigned at random with each post, right? The two you reference are not exactly the same. The numbers vary in the 3rd octet ~ 199 vs 198. I think this is just a coincidence. I just saw this, Spade. I don't know how you are tracking IP addresses, but there is something wrong. I'm not Anajansi ~ I'm a woman. Did you think what I wrote sounded like him? Have you read any of my other posts? I don't think Anajansi would have written about what he likes about the black man. That was my perspective as a woman. Sorry for the confusion. I'd like to keep posting here, but definitely don't want to be accused of being a man masquerading as a woman. I'm really a woman ~ promise.
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Correct. Roberto uses Aol, which also means that someone using Aol (like Roberto) could use the argument you gave above as an excuse should they parade around as several characters at once claiming they are different.
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I checked my IPs from each post and even though I only log into this site from my home computer via AOL, there are 3 different IP subnet combinations next to my posts. What do you think is happening?
Cathy
205.188.198.58
64.12.101.158
64.12.104.42
152.163.195.194
152.163.206.177
152.163.207.202
Those are just variations of subnets from Aol which any user on those servers would have. Any user INCLUDING ROBERTO who has a degree in computer science and would opt to use such a concept to his advantage.
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Cathy
I don't! And I am well aware of the slight difference of octet. To be fair, I will say that if I am wrong I humbly apologize. It is not my intention to insult innocent posters due to mistakes of identity. HOWEVER, I am also aware of the subnets of Aol of which you tried to proclaim and the fact that there are users that will post as members of that isp which means that just because they use Aol doesn't mean that they are Roberto and so forth. But it doesn't exactly mean that they may not be him either which is why I will continue to monitor to be sure.
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Look, with all due respect I could be wrong and in such a case I will and do make allowances for that. If you're actually a woman, great, I apologize for mistaking you for someone else. Still, I not taking your word for anything. Time will tell. If you don't want to hang around, farewell, there's really no one talking about much anyway. You know who you are, if I'm wrong then what I say doesn't matter. If I'm right then the shoe fits and you're out the door anyway.
| By Cat (64.12.101.158) on Friday, October 26, 2001 - 12:57 am: |
Hi Spade,
I checked my IPs from each post and even though I only log into this site from my home computer via AOL, there are 3 different IP subnet combinations next to my posts. What do you think is happening?
Cathy
205.188.198.58
64.12.101.158
64.12.104.42
152.163.195.194
152.163.206.177
152.163.207.202
| By Cat (64.12.101.158) on Friday, October 26, 2001 - 12:45 am: |
So would that mean that everyone whose ISP is Aol has the same subnet?
| By Spade (209.221.197.10) on Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 05:06 pm: |
EbonyKowboy,
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Every single machine on the Internet has a unique address, called its Internet number or IP Address. It's actually a 32-bit number, but is most commonly represented as four numbers joined by periods ( . ), like 147.31.254.130. This is sometimes also called a dotted quad;
there are literally thousands of different possible dotted quads.
Each piece of an Internet address (like 192) is called an ``octet,'' representing one of four sets of eight bits. The first two or three pieces (e.g. 192.55.239) represent the network that a system is on, called its subnet.
For example, all of the computers who use an Internet Service Provider called "Your Server" are in the subnet 129.133. They can have numbers like "129.133.10.10." or "129.133.230.10." up to 65 thousand possible combinations (possible computers).
Every time you logon to the Internet you are given an IP number by your Internet Service Provider (ISP), you have this number till you logoff. You will note, that only the end numbers change as you logon and off, your subnet stays the same.
| By Ebonykowboy (205.188.198.151) on Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 10:59 am: |
Touche!....As usual Spade, your comments are deep and insightful. I also stand corrected on my "Spade my apologize" comment. My point however was that you and Ishvara, were seemingly willing to give Anajansi the benefit of the doubt, (something I refuse to do)although I now see that you are perfectly aware that something is amiss. I also noticed many of "his" contradictory statements, including one that you posted below, but seemed to have missed a glaring contradiction (possibly due to chalking it up to a typo). You quoted Anajansi's words below, "my fiance is not here to defend HIMSELF". That statement seems to imply that "he" isn't a he or that "he" prefers the alternate lifestyle or as mentioned earlier possibly a typo. In any event, I agree with your assesment of things and am glad to see that you are on top of the issue regardless of what the actual situation may be. Also, at the risk of sounding unenlightened, what is "IP"? Anajansi stated that mine are similar to his or something and you posted that quote also, exactly what does that mean?.......Again,I apologize for my erroneous comment regarding YOU Spade...........
| By Spade (209.163.236.144) on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 11:33 pm: |
Spade and Ishvara may apologize for speaking the truth about you Anajansi, but I will not. My fiance is not here to defend himself. I find it strange that ebonykowboy has the same IP as I do look at some of his or her responses on this thread. White women once the forbidden fruit are now available for the taken if you dare to meet them all the way. Go get it you hot blooded male.
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Excuse me?! Spade apologize for speaking the truth? Could you please point out where that is the case. I see no such thing and it doesn't even sound right.
Incidentally, the fakeness of Anajansi is very apparent for all the things you've listed and then some. Its none other then Roberto masquerading as another character (or I should say characters) again. It is not by chance that Anajansi just so happened to pick out and comment on the self defence topic started originally by Roberto, created a thread about women in the military being raped (the title of which I edited), and another topic regarding oral sex and yet another talking about how he likes to bite and nibble which is a spin-off of Roberto's Maximus personality (topics of sex, rape, self defence, etc, seemed to always be his focus -- among other things). And there are other signs. For example, while Roberto masqueraded as Maximus he claimed to have a white girlfriend which he said he was going to marry (actually it was a way for him to make a exit for the Maximus character) . Sounds awfully similar to Anajansi's comments about his so called white princess only this time he used the ruse of going into the service to make an exit, possibly to come back in every now and then to comment. Not to mention the matter of the i.p numbers of Anajansi and Cat being nearly identical. Now all of a sudden Anajansi starts making comments (AFTER he's supposed to be off in service because he just signed up and was supposed to have been long gone by now) about how his girlfriend isn't around to defend herself and how YOU, Ebonykowboy, share a similar ip.
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Also Anajansi tried to convince people here he wasn't Roberto by making insults about him, he was trying too hard to act like he didn't like Roberto. Then there are those extremely fake comments like:
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"Go get it you hot blooded male?!" (laughs hard) That statement is so fake its embarassing. All of this and more is just more Roberto tactics to incite, which others here (like Ishvara) have already pointed out. Its hard enough as is to get people to comment without them having to contend with a person with split personalities. I'm going to have to be a bit more strict and attentive to keep mess like this down. I did allow this nonsense to transpire for a time to get a little more information so I could be sure (though it was very obvious from the start) and to see how far this rubbish would go. But enough is enough. I'm sick and tired of playing this I-think-that's-Roberto game and I'm certain others are too.
Still, I have to be mindful and considerate to potential new members with real issues to speak about. This board has over five hundrend user names listed and only a handful of people write (which is usually the case on just about any board). There are over a hundrend topics which one might think would be flowing with discussions. But if people don't have the time (because we all have lives to live) or don't feel like commenting they won't and that's that. Roberto was good at creating conversation which is partly what he does when he goes out and creates these silly characters that try to incite. And though the characters are lame some of the issues brought out are good topics. I don't have a problem with someone trying to create something to talk about, its the method they use or in this case the method Roberto uses that I call into question (among other things), and I've already told him not to pull this crap. In any event enough is enough, its time for a lockdown.
| By Ebonykowboy (152.163.195.177) on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 02:52 am: |
Spade and Ishvara may apologize for speaking the truth about you Anajansi, but I will not. Spade was right, you are hypocritical, not just in this post but in nearly everyone where I've read your comments. True, this is a forum for speaking thoughts and for honest opinions. This is also the place for open and honest debate and arguments. But your comments always seems to cross the line of honest debate and opinions. There is always and edge of hostility and degredation and typically it is aimed at the race you "claim" to be of. You paint the black male and black female with the same stroke ignorance and incompetence. You say that you are no more of a hypocrite than a number of people that you subsequently named, well that may be true, but it is also true that you are no LESS a hypocrite than any of them. I also found it par for your course, that you chose negative examples in which to compare yourself, (people with low self esteem tend to do that). And just for the record, because a person slips, do to inherited sin and inperfection, it does not automatically make him or her a hypocrite, it simply makes them human. There were after all, only two perfect human men to ever walk this earth, Jesus and Adam, oh, and you of course.......the last part, in the words of Ishvara....."sarcasm"....STRONG!
| By Spade (64.94.3.242) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 10:41 pm: |
Anajansi,
My comments about your being hypocritical was aimed at your statements about the "deballed american male" as opposed to your "slave" comments that started this thread. It is true that we all play the hypocrite but in this case I'm not talking about "we all" or Jesse Jackson, Clintion, or anyone else but you and your words on this board.
| By Anajansi (152.163.213.57) on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 08:26 pm: |
Thank you Mr. Spade, but I have to respond. I'm no more hypocritical than most americans in general, I'm no more hypocritical than Jesse (the adulter) Jackson, I'm no more hypocritical than Former President Bill (first black president) Clinton, I'm no more critical than congressman Gary Con (did it) dit, I'm no more hypocritical than a great many politicians, lawyers, and sports gods with mistresses. Why else would I be the least bit hypocritical. Why else is the women of this country panties are in a wad.
| By Spade (63.251.163.82) on Wednesday, September 26, 2001 - 10:37 pm: |
Anajansi,
You do make some good points. Considering the topic of this thread I think the issues you are bringing out (though seriously hypocritical on your behalf) are better suited for a new thread. So I'll start one to deal with the points you've mentioned and then some.
| By Anajansi (152.163.213.184) on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 09:22 pm: |
The deballed american male is the Seinfied type. I'm pissed and sick and tired of this sensitive male who will allow us to be desensitized to not want to kick the terrorist asses. Everywhere I look around me I see the fem-men as Spade describe who are programming us to believe that we need not to go to war but we need to be sensitive. We need to bring the killers to american justice so that the american lawyers can get rich and we can all feel good and respect diversity with a dash of political correctness. Spade help me.
| By Anajansi (205.188.192.27) on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 07:50 pm: |
Mr. Spade I like the way you think.
| By Spade (209.223.44.10) on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 02:12 pm: |
Ishvara, So in your head, female dominated enviroments lead to a feminized male (which you must view as a negative thing) I personaly think the world has seen enough of the agressive, strong, unbending male prototype, time for a new view better suited for this world's survival. The novelist Doris Lessing believes men are the new silent victims in the sex war, "continually demeaned and insulted" by women without a whimper of protest. "Years ago, manhood was an opportunity for achievement and now it's just a problem to be overcome. Guys who once might have painted the Sistine Chapel ceiling are now just trying to be Mr. O.K. All-Rite, the man who can bake a cherry pie, be passionate in a skillful way, and yet also lift them bales and tote that barge." "I ain't no misogynist or chauvinist but I got to say, women are getting awfully impossible to please these days. . . . I quit playing softball and deer hunting and took up painting delicate watercolors, still lifes mostly, and tossing salads, and learned how to discuss issues and feelings and concerns and not make jokes about them, and they're still angry at me. A guy can't win . . . . So don't worry about it. Live your life. Oya! we all yelled."
I wanted to make a point to this remark:
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I personally think the world is not seeing enough of the strong, unbending, agressive, male prototype which are, by the way, qualities that Jesus exhibited when he walked the earth. [In fact the scriptures of Revelation show that there will be strong, unbending, agressive acts taken against mankind from Jesus by order of God.] It is sentiments similiar to your own (and I'm not picking on you because you stated your opinion) that have sparked a decline in masculine men and an increase in feminine men (i.e. Fem-men). It is precisely because many men are becoming so malleable, passive, and weaker that presents a very large problem to the world. It is a problem because although men and women have both masculine and feminine qualities and I believe a balance should be shown in that respects, a man is not a woman and a woman is not a man and they should not seek to be what they are not. In anything that is done or used for right it can be used for wrong as well, this is especially so with the nature of man, be that as it may had men not been agressive and so on the framework of the current semi civil world would not exist. Women and their feminized men would be easy targets and easy slaves for those men who not only stayed true to their masculine natures but also used them in the wrong accord. And had we had more men who were unbending and aggressive for justice and morality to be had the present woes of the world would not be as great.
An article from the The Guardian, August 10,2001 (which I also posted on the other yahoo board) had this to say:
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Lessing, who became a feminist icon with the books The Grass is Singing and The Golden Notebook, said a "lazy and insidious" culture had taken hold within feminism that revelled in flailing men. Young boys were being weighed down with guilt about the crimes of their sex, she told the Edinburgh Book Festival in Scotland, while energy which could be used to get proper child care was being dissipated in the pointless humiliation of men. "I find myself increasingly shocked at the unthinking and automatic rubbishing of men which is now so part of our culture that is hardly ever noticed," the 81-year old Zimbabwean-born writer said.
"I was in a class of nine and ten year olds, girls and boys, and this young woman was telling kids that the reason for war was the innately violent nature of men. You could see the little girls, fat with complacency and conceit, while the little boys sat there crumpled, apologizing for their existence, thinking this was going to be the pattern of their lives.
"This kind of thing is happening in schools all over the place and no one says a thing. It has become a kind of religion that you can't criticize because then you become a traitor to the great cause, which I am not.
"It is time we ask who are these women who continually rubbish men. The most stupid, ill-educated and nasty woman can rubbish the nicest, kindest and most intelligent man and no one protests. Men seem so cowed that they can't fight back, and it is time they did. "
But Doris isn't the only one that has picked up on the tread. Author Garrison Kellior said:
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Furthermore an excerpt from his book The Book of Guys presents a story where a bunch of men are sitting around and one speaks up and says:
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| By Sabbadoo32 (12.2.19.162) on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 01:32 pm: |
I dunno Ishvara, he may be talking about flouride in the water, or other such nonsense...
| By Ishvara (208.37.104.98) on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 09:13 am: |
Well Anajansi, I thank you for the off hand compliment eventhough I still view your position as bs. There are a multitude of reasons why your logic is completely faulty. I suppose what the world needs is more strong males like in the Middle East and Asia, don't you see where that sort of unbalanced male power corrupts the natural blend, in my humble opinion, God intended for man and woman? The value of female life is nothing, torture, rape, servitude, child rape and on and on it goes. Wimps cpntrolled by strong woman huh, and where do you get the notion that strength equals control?
This comment I find the most intriguing and revealing about how you think and thus base your value judgements. "But lets face the facts from the feminized black males as a result of female dominated enviornments to white males being drugged in the schools to reduce their aggression, to the systematic changes in legal and paralegal practices by powerful women organizations to clamp male power with the emergence of female power,..." So in your head, female dominated enviroments lead to a feminized male (which you must view as a negative thing) I personaly think the world has seen enough of the agressive, strong, unbending male prototype, time for a new view better suited for this world's survival. I also think men growing up in a female dominated enviroment tend to be more agressive because they haven't had a decent image of what it means to be male. I could be way off base since this assumption is not based on experience but rather on my own feeble attempt at understanding.
White males are drugged to reduce their aggresion, you really see that as the case? If that is so you must be talking about marijuana use because most other drugs induce fleeting euphoria followed by violent feelings of aggression.
And as far as female institutions clamping male power..pleeeease, that's like saying the NAACP or some such other organization has a shot in hell of clamping white male power in this country, any freedoms or stances for equal treatment, gleaned by these types of organizations are miniscule in comparision to all the power privilege and special treatment that comes with being a white male in this country. Don't worry I'm sure they will never allow the majority of their power to slip away to women or the "non white menace", sarcasm again....
| By Reese (63.26.180.236) on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 02:12 pm: |
New around here but here are my thoughts.
Well call me one of the rear american men who needs a strong woman by my side. I rather have someone who can speak her mind and give me input and advice when I really need it. Than having a woman by where I have to be the one to make all of the dicisions. Because with these type of women, you can never be sure what they are really thinking.
| By Sabbadoo32 (12.2.19.162) on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 01:24 pm: |
Hmm...the American male is already a slave to women?
Then why are women more likely to be killed or injured by a husband or boyfriend? Why is there no male "date rape?" Doesn't sound like American men are sitting back and being subservient slaves to me....
| By Anajansi (205.188.198.166) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 02:04 pm: |
Ms. Ishvara, your are doubt from your expressions in words a gutsey and strong minded woman. You seem to have balls that many males seem to lack in these times. I do speak with sarcasm. I meant in many ways in this country the american male lacks balls to stand up to strong women. It is percieved around the world with muslims, and many others that american men are whimps controlled by strong women. I would have to add the images from the talking heads in the media, and the movies contribute to a lot of this false belief. But lets face the facts from the feminized black males as a result of female dominated enviornments to white males being drugged in the schools to reduce their aggression, to the systematic changes in legal and paralegal practices by powerful women organizations to clamp male power with the emergence of female power, many countries in the islamic world, asia, and latin american nations with strong male dominated cultures see this country as weak and whimpish. Perhaps to their undoing by thinking the american male is weak this may lead to dangerous future wars and conflicts in which male aggression is still a factor in many parts of this world. Good probing Ms.Ishvara you appear to be the only one willing to have insightful discussions here other than that Kingdvd who may be one of those BGSM (black gay sensitive men).
| By Ishvara (208.37.110.63) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 12:06 pm: |
I meant the "are you for real" as sarcasm because believe me that is utter bs. Why don't you visit this website rawa.org and see what non enslavement to women means (that was meant as sarcasm)
| By Anajansi (205.188.199.181) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 10:52 am: |
Yes, Islamic people I have known said this as well. Unfortunately the dumb and blind American males cannot see this.
| By Ishvara (208.37.106.33) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 10:08 am: |
"The American male is already a slave to women. Otherwise why do you think the Islamic world hate our guts." Are you for real?
| By Anajansi (152.163.205.81) on Saturday, September 22, 2001 - 09:06 pm: |
The American male is already a slave to women. Otherwise why do you think the Islamic world hate our guts.
| By Sabbadoo32 (12.2.19.162) on Friday, September 21, 2001 - 12:52 pm: |
Good God man!
I've just read your posts. Are you for real, or just on some kind of lunatic tear?!? You'd like to be a woman's slave??? Is this a sex thing, or what?!?
| By Anajansi (152.163.197.54) on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 10:23 pm: |
I would not hesitate to be a slave to a white female. I would submit to whatever fantasies, dreams, erotic whims to please her every fancy. To be chased by a white female is exciting. To be caught by her is downright comforting. Take me baby take it!