Is Talking A Woman Into Sex Wrong?

That's what I've been saying all along. Suddenly, this became about rape.

 

Lol you can't be surprised though. It's not a WWBM conversation unless the thread gets twisted into something it never was

 

Seriously. That's pretty much what we do here.

 

you ain't lying. Surprised this hasn't been labeled a woman bashing thread yet.

 

Well I've learned is for a lot of women they are perfectly ok with being pursued and "coerced" when its someone they like. Then its called persistence. I had an ex who had a higher sex drive than I did and constantly pushed the sex issue, didn't matter how tired I was or just not interested she pushed and pushed and pushed until I gave in. I could have gone home or told her to go home, so is that coercion?

 

What she did was manipulative and abusive. You said no, so she should have stopped right then and there. She was an awful, awful person for taking advantage of you like that. You must have felt traumatized, demoralized and otherwise made to feel less than a man, but more like a piece of meat to be used at her command.

Don't feel bad. It wasn't your fault. You must have been scared for your safety or just plain worried she would leave you if you didn't put out. You poor innocent creature. Maybe she wore you down. And don't worry that whole, "you could have gone home or told her to go home" nonsense. Nope, you had no responsibility to even attempt to do either. She was totally at fault for everything that happened after you said, "No." And I'm doubley sure any child support judge would see things the same way had a child been born from what was surely a sexual assault.

Do you need councelling behind such a soul shattering event?

Look, I would never make fun of actual rape or sexual assault. But, to compare seduction to either of the two does a grave disservice to all the women, girls, boys and, yes, men who have actually been sexually victimized and violated in our society.

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to samson1701 again.

I know there are people who can argue that as a being the stronger of the two I had more control than the average woman which is true but if we are being honest in our dialogue then women should be held to the same exact standards if we seek equality. Making one party more responsible than the other is plain wrong.

 

Wait.
I don't see where ya'll are saying this became about rape (except when it came to DK being raped by his girl). Let's revisit the chain of events:
4-13 Andreboba says:
... If a woman decides to claim she was raped after the fact because she was ashamed or embarrassed afterwards, she's insane.
(and)
...Until women flip the script and are the ones asking men out, initiating sex and proposing marriage to their BFs, guys are gonna be the aggressors in male/female social and sexual interactions.

Then me:
I think the thread was originally not about rape per se but coercion, which is a subtle and interesting topic. I'd never blame someone else for being talked into something I didn't (but kinda did) want to do. Just don't be baffled and disappointed when she doesn't see you again. It's fine that you got what you want, as long as that's all you wanted.

Then andreboba:
… but coercion is in the eye of the beholder.

Then AMR 1986:
With the lack of sex I'm having, wouldn't have to take long to convince me lol.
Then suddenly, ya’ll are like:
That's what I've been saying all along. Suddenly, this became about rape
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???? Did I miss something? Who's making what about what?

 

Lol this thing is 40+ pages long my dear...I'm sure someone, somewhere turned this into a "rape > persuasion" thing

 

I thought it was as simple as no means no...thereby not warranting dozens of pages to justify otherwise

 

LOL. Read post 14 and 25 in this thread. :axe:

That's where things went sideways and posters started equating talking someone into sex, or coercion, as a form of sexual assault.

I'm not going through every post in this thread again but I distinctly remember some women on this board considered trying to talk a woman into sex as wrong.

 

No only means no when the woman wants it to. Otherwise no means try harder. Sad but some women need to feel relentlessly pursued or it's just not fun for em.

 

Haha makes sense

 

preach

 

Exactly....if a dude , especially their hubby, stop asking for it then theres a problem....your sorry but said no too much.

 

Still haven't beaten my record.

 

No still means no when they tell me. So why should a guy think otherwise?

 

Guess you've never encountered that type of woman. You'd know her if you met her. She's the "not right now baby, I'm just not sure I'm ready, I really like you, maybe we should take it slow, I've never moved this quickly before, I'm not that type of girl"...all while slobbering you down, chick. If you took her at her first no, she'd be gone before you knew it. She wants someone who has to have her.

 

Damn a woman who gets it is sooo hot

 

I HAVE met those kind of women. I would know ahead of time. So I would just ask. As much as I wanted her to say yes, I would expect her to say no. I had asked women out more than once and got the same reply.