Black men vs black men

chesbaygrl7 said:
Which is why you need to continue to contribute, despite the way this thread has evolved. This forum has been too full of porn, arguing, bashing, etc. We need intellectual conversation!!! I'm actually surprised at the response you got here, especially from TDK, as he tends to like to discuss issues that BM face and struggle with. Being in law enforcement, I have to think you see this particular problem on the regular. I saw this thread as a request to openly (and intelligently) discuss something that troubles you rather than just another doom and gloom portrait of BM. Thankfully, Medulla took a stab at a solution which I appreciated.

There's no reason that these things can't be discussed if done with the right intent and respectfully. Too often, from what I've observed, some seem to want to paint BM in a negative light out of disgust or shame, rather than an honest attempt to discuss reasons for or solutions to a problem.
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Thanks;) I was just leaving this particular topic alone....was not leaving the site. I don't take it personal but it seems like others do so I will leave it alone.

and trust me...being in law enforcement I am used to it.lol and this kind of response.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
Which is why you need to continue to contribute, despite the way this thread has evolved. This forum has been too full of porn, arguing, bashing, etc. We need intellectual conversation!!! I'm actually surprised at the response you got here, especially from TDK, as he tends to like to discuss issues that BM face and struggle with. Being in law enforcement, I have to think you see this particular problem on the regular. I saw this thread as a request to openly (and intelligently) discuss something that troubles you rather than just another doom and gloom portrait of BM. Thankfully, Medulla took a stab at a solution which I appreciated.

There's no reason that these things can't be discussed if done with the right intent and respectfully. Too often, from what I've observed, some seem to want to paint BM in a negative light out of disgust or shame, rather than an honest attempt to discuss reasons for or solutions to a problem.
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I am confused. What are you referring to? I thought this conversation was cordial and respectful.
 
william2382 said:
Thanks;) I was just leaving this particular topic alone....was not leaving the site. I don't take it personal but it seems like others do so I will leave it alone.

and trust me...being in law enforcement I am used to it.lol and this kind of response.
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you felt disrespected fam or that the topic went off course?
 
The Dark King said:
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I am confused. What are you referring to? I thought this conversation was cordial and respectful.
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It was, but I thought you seemed to dismiss it rather than jump into it with the enthusiasm I've seen from you in the past. When I made the reference to being respectful, I was referring to others who weigh in on this topic but in a negative way.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
It was, but I thought you seemed to dismiss it rather than jump into it with the enthusiasm I've seen from you in the past. When I made the reference to being respectful, I was referring to others who weigh in on this topic but in a negative way.
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i wasn't trying to be dismissive but it is tiresome that it's addressed with the scrutiny that is because it makes it seem as if the problems are race specific and not class and socioeconomic specific. It perpetuates the idea that certain behavior is innate and rarely addresses the external societal factors that create the problem.
 
The Dark King said:
i wasn't trying to be dismissive but it is tiresome that it's addressed with the scrutiny that is because it makes it seem as if the problems are race specific and not class and socioeconomic specific. It perpetuates the idea that certain behavior is innate and rarely addresses the external societal factors that create the problem.
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Ok, gotcha.
 
william2382 said:
I decided to post a little research on something I have both a professional and personal investment in. Black men killing black men. Nothing new. And no one seems to really care, especially in the black community. We can rally around the country for tragedies like Travaugn Martin but when it comes to slaughtering ourselves it seems few care. Politicians, preachers, the public at large just doesn’t care…however, since we are visual proof based society (sans some conservatives) I thought it best to present it numerically.

Black men make up about 6% of the population but account for over half the murders. 9 out of 10 killed are murdered by another black man. That means that 7000 black men are murdered each year and 94% are killed by another black man. Between 1976 and 2011 there were 279,384 black murder victims which means about 262,621 were murdered by other blacks according to Bureau of Justice Statistics. Lot of dead “solders” because some black men see such death/pain as a rite of passage or badge of honor….but they may feel this way because in essence both physically, emotionally, mentally even financially, it is a war.

Black Fatalities in Korean War totaled 3075, Vietnam 7243, and all wars since 1980 (I was born in 82) 8197. That comes to 18,515, far from the 6 figure number above and just over twice the yearly average. What’s even more alarming is a study by the Tuskegee institute that’s estimates during the years 1882 and 1968 3,446 black men were lynched by whites, still far from what we do to one another today.

But this is America right? What about other major conflicts in the world…for the sake of argument, lets take out Government interference ie Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam and just go with mostly civilian populations that slaughter one another. Palestine/Israeli and Irish conflict come to mind. Both have struggles that are around the same 35-40 year period and comparable populations if you are considering only black males. The Irish conflict 1969-2010 cost the lives 3,568 people. The Palestine/Israeli conflict since the war began in 1948 have cost the lives of 14,500, still small in comparison of what black men in this country do to one another.

To call this anything but war is painfully unrealistic, and reality is, most of us are not really doing or saying anything about it. We will rally against great injustice like the Jena 6, Travaugn Martin as mentioned above, and any black person hurt, injured or killed by police or other ethnic groups yet we when we slaughter each other, there is silence and those (like my black ass) that are aberrations and try to alert the community at large to such aversions are shunned and ostracized.

Last year Detroit had 0ver 400 murders, and well over 2000 shootings. What do you call this other than War?





Source of Information
1) Bureau of Justice statistics
2) Tuskegee institute study on lynchings
3) The Negro Holacasust: Lynching and Race Riots in the United States 1880-1950 by Robert A. Gibson
4) Israeli vs Palestine, the Polynational War Memorial-Nov 14, 2012 by Joe Brunberg
5) Malcom Sutton’s Index of Deaths From the Conflict in Ireland: Status summary. Conflict Archive on the Internet (Cain)
6) Gaston Gazette-www.m.globalgrind.com/news
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In the future, try to post more pics of scantily clad white women sucking on the monstrously photo-shopped black cock of some well chiseled dark soapy abalicious black male. You'll find the response more amicable.

That said, you are absolutely right on most points. There is an epidemic of black-on-black crime in this country. Based on historical evidence, I would say that it is based on 2 primary factors, but rooted firmly in how slavery evolved the black community. Lets just jump ahead a bit to more 'recent' times. I don't think anyone here would argue that segregation in the US was born of slavery. If so, I'd love to hear that argument. Now, factor in the social effects of segregation which was rampant in the early 1900's, began to really face challenge around the mid-60's thanks in large part to MLK as well as the black power movement. Also, factor in the economic effects of post-Industrial America and you have a petri dish for the black American ghetto. This is not to say that ghetto's are solely inhabited by black Americans, but you will find that a large number of them are.

Now, what happens when you take an entire community of poverty stricken, un/undereducated people, strip them of any sense of culture or self-worth and provide them with one of the most toxic forms of entertainment which has the side effect of filling that culture void. Their sense of self-worth comes not from raising a family and improving their own as well as their communities conditions, but instead by flashing nonsense items like jewelry, clothing, cars, etc.,.

Blacks have never truly found themselves in America, as much as we try to integrate, and in many instances, we already have. The 'black community' as a whole is still in a state of turmoil in this country. Economically, we are behind... this is changing but at a very slow rate. Socially, we are stereotyped to some of the worst possible characteristics that can be associated with a human being. Due to ethnocide, we have no idea of our culture and in many cases (even among a member of these forums who many deem to be incredibily inteligent) we mock and shun our cultural background and our african brothers. We have actually managed to embrace those social stereotypes as being our culture. I am entirely confident that, once these conditions improve, the mindset of black Americans will also change.
 
william2382 said:
who murders at our rate? again...we make up 6% of the population but half the murders?


I know in our culture it is not popular to self reflect much but I thought at least here it could be a conversation.lol..
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Whom are you addressing? I haven't killed anybody nor would I considering do so except to defend myself or my family.

I think that the same goes for just about every other male posting on this forum.
 
Since1980 said:
Agreed. I don't see anything at all wrong with this topic. It's an issue that needs to be raised, and discussed.
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We have members here who are more concerned with pimping their "different perspectives" to others than actually having any honest & productive discussions.
 
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Yay! I'm glad to see some members I truly respect weighing in on this subject. I know this isn't my issue or something I will ever struggle with, but I am interested in it because it is relevant to half our members here and the men I date. The more educated I am, the more sympathetic I can be and the more prepared I am to discuss it with others who have a different perspective.
 
The Dark King said:
Interesting point well riddle me this why are we three to four times as likely to be unemployed. When you look at the crime statistics that seem to represent "our" group its akin to the disenfranchised across the globe regardless of race. If you are systematically marginalized economically depressed/oppressed, and socially demonized you tend to lash out more and have less respect for life as well as others. But to be fair the crimes committed only represent a small fraction of us as a group yet its all people focus on. The majority of rapes and child molestations are committed by white men but no one feels the need to address them as a group and figure out why white men are doing their dirt.
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Precisely right, well spotted TDK as usual. Not quite ready to call William a troll, but the approach he is taking, one of focusing on Black crime and trying to make it seem like there is a large portion of Black people responsible or that something must be innate/wrong with Black people, all under the guise of "constructive debate" or "asking questions to find solutions", is one that many a racist site member has tried on this forum in the past.
 
Loki said:
Precisely right, well spotted TDK as usual. Not quite ready to call William a troll, but the approach he is taking, one of focusing on Black crime and trying to make it seem like there is a large portion of Black people responsible or that something must be innate/wrong with Black people, all under the guise of "constructive debate" or "asking questions to find solutions", is one that many a racist site member has tried on this forum in the past.
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But living in Detroit, MI and being a police officer, maybe has skewed his perspective? He has a little tunnel vision?
 
Loki said:
Precisely right, well spotted TDK as usual. Not quite ready to call William a troll, but the approach he is taking, one of focusing on Black crime and trying to make it seem like there is a large portion of Black people responsible or that something must be innate/wrong with Black people, all under the guise of "constructive debate" or "asking questions to find solutions", is one that many a racist site member has tried on this forum in the past.
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meh... I wouldn't have gone there. He means well. Most of his thread have been constructive. He just didn't think about this one. You do tend to see symptoms before the cause.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
But living in Detroit, MI and being a police officer, maybe has skewed his perspective? He has a little tunnel vision?
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Assuming we believe he really is, a little too convenient that he just happens to be from one of the most currently troubled cities in the nation. Funny how no cops from Appalachia has ever come on here intimating that there must be something wrong with White men because of all the meth dealing and crimes committed in that region.
 
archangel said:
meh... I wouldn't have gone there. He means well. Most of his thread have been constructive. He just didn't think about this one. You do tend to see symptoms before the cause.
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I believe that was part of his plan so he would be less obvious when he slowly reveals his true agenda. My profession (the law) does make me mistrustful of words, and does tend to make me overly suspicious at times, but it is helpful "to know what words mean".

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Loki said:
I believe that was part of his plan so he would be less obvious when he slowly reveals his true agenda. My profession (the law) does make me mistrustful of words, and does tend to make me overly suspicious at times, but it is helpful "to know what words mean".

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IDK I tend to watch over behavior. It might be pushing it a bit. It is at the moment one thread out of several that have been very good for the forums. DOMA, online dating, short term long term.
 
Loki said:
Assuming we believe he really is, a little too convenient that he just happens to be from one of the most currently troubled cities in the nation. Funny how no cops from Appalachia has ever come on here intimating that there must be something wrong with White men because of all the meth dealing and crimes committed in that region.
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IDK...If he said he was from Chicago, I might believe it. Detroit is sorely broke, but not crazy violent.
By law, cops are hired/drawn from within their cities. Are there lots of Black men living in Appalachia, enough at least to chose to become cops? And of those who become cops, how many are into WW, and of those who are, how many find this site and then would care enough to post about WM killing WM (as he has about BM)?

Time will tell about him, but for now, I'm with Arch, I think he is the real deal and certainly not from StormFrt. Ughh, they would not even give a shit about BM killing BM, much less want to examine it... they LOOOOVE BOB killings.
 
Oppression is not raced based, nor is poverty, nor is crime.

I don't like the fact that people are suggesting that poverty = murderers. Being poor does not make you one. Nor being oppressed. Persevering through these 2 obstacles has always been the strength of mankind's character. In fact, some of the most violent, murderous, warmongering men in history who have committed crimes against humanity were(are) rich, well fed, and privileged.

The spike in murders in the last 2/3 decades I truly feel are based on gang indoctrinations, lack of accountability by the individual due to the lax justice system/prison terms that help perpetuate repeat criminals... and the drug trade, usage and selling.

Until the drug flow and demand is stemmed, I don't see much of a change on the horizon.
 
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