can you be pro-black and still date/marry a white woman?

Yes, that's a troubling aspect to me as well, as I expressed to her in one of my postings to her. So much of what she said conflicts with other things. Perhaps her racial debate group is actual confusing her. It's apparent if you read the posts from the beginning that race preservation, what she would classify as "culture" is an important factor to her.

 

It merely proves one thing about these people: they have a neurological disorder. The name of it is unknown at this point, but psychotic behavior and fixation on the phenotype as a mechanism of unwarranted fear is clear as night and day. And, I will say this without guilt: White nationalists are just too fucking stupid.

 

I think adults can, they just don't want. People are greedy, it's very easy to humiliate others, to find reasons for your own behaviour, to earn more money, so that you don't have to share. My observation is that only two things on earth govern everything, money and sex.

Kids don't know both of it

 

It was brought up b/c it had to do with the conversation that took place. I'm not really sure what essentialsim is and trying to read about what it is also confusing.

 

Thanks. I love learning about different cultures. I'm in the process of getting a local multiracial organization in my community off the ground and one of the thing I intend to do is find out the cultural background of all my members and educate and celebrate the group about each one of them.

 

Without qualification, that's an essentialist statement that there is such a thing as innately definable groups of people.

 

I won't judge the moral aspect of this. Bottomline, they BOTH served strong interests pertaining to black people and they both adored white women. Their relationship to white women had nothing to do with whether or not they were pro black or not. Thus, I still say that black people can still date/marry nonblacks and still be pro black.

 

That's a wonderful idea. You know...it's possible that this can become bigger than what you've imagined. You mentioned that your children are biracial? Is your husband black, asian, white?

 

Saying that you do not want all the different races and different cultures to disappear is not the same as complaining that they are when they are not. As I said before I believe in having the right to make the choice of what you want to do. Even if my race and culture was on the verge of being existent I'd still have biracial children. My statement was simply to say that I'm not one of those who dream of mixing the entire world and I do not think that will solve the racial problems that exist. My children do not have to be monoracial to know my culture aswell as their fathers. And I'm perfectly content with my children having 2 cultures. But I'm not going to act like we have no cultural differences and that was why the issue was brought up to start with.

 

He is black b/c he also comes from a multicultural family b/c his siblings are also puertorican.

 

Highly in denial, Tasty. Posted for years and they still think Jews are the ultimate boogieman :smt043

 

but the idea of the whole world mixing is impossible and will never happen, those who think it will solve racial problems are not thinking right

 

Why You Need To Know The Scots-Irish
Going south on I-81, the mountains are beautiful—smoky from the haze that the sun makes when it burns into the pine. You may see cars and Burger Kings on that highway, but I am watching my own ghosts: tough, resilient women on buckboard wagons, hard men with rifles walking alongside, and kids tending cattle as they make their way down the mud trail called The Wilderness Road.

It is here in the Appalachian Mountains that my people, the Scots-Irish, settled after leaving Ireland and the north of Britain in the 18th century. They tamed the wilderness, building simple log cabins and scraping corn patches in thin soil. And they pressed onward, creating a way of life that many would come to call, if not American, certainly the defining fabric of the South and the Midwest, as well as the core character of the nation’s working class.

I am determined to reclaim the dignity of these people—for themselves and for America. It’s long overdue.

Off the highway in Virginia, I follow narrow winding roads past small frame houses, finally stopping at the entrance to Alley Hollow. My great-great-grandparents are buried back here, in a rough patch of woods on top of a nearby mountain.

Like many others, these ancestors have only rocks for headstones. I worry that, when my generation dies, their heritage will be lost just as completely—buried under the avalanche of stories that have on occasion ridiculed my people and trivialized their journey.

They came with nothing, and, for a complicated set of reasons, many of them still have nothing. Slurs stick to me, standing on these graves.

These people are too often misconstrued and ignored when America’s history is told. They did great things. And, in truth, the Scots-Irish (sometimes also called the Scotch-Irish) are a force that still shapes our culture.

Their Gifts To America
The Scots-Irish brought with them a strong, bottom-up individualism, largely inventing America’s unique populist-style democracy. They gave us at least a dozen Presidents, beginning with Andrew Jackson and including Chester A. Arthur, Ulysses S. Grant, Theodore Roosevelt (through his mother), Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan (again, through his mother) and, most recently, Bill Clinton.

Their unique soldierly traditions formed the backbone of the country’s military, particularly in the Army and Marine Corps. In the Civil War, they formed the bulk of the Confederate Army and a good part of the Union Army as well, and in later wars they provided many of our greatest generals and soldiers. Stonewall Jackson comes to mind, as do Grant, George S. Patton, and a slew of Army chiefs of staff and Marine Corps commandants. Not to mention Sgt. Alvin York, the hero of World War I; Audie Murphy, the most decorated soldier of World War II; and David Hackworth, one of America’s most decorated veterans of Korea and Vietnam.

The intense competitiveness that makes them good soldiers also has produced a legion of memorable athletes, business leaders and even such completely American pastimes as NASCAR racing, which evolved from the exploits of the daring moonshine runners of the Appalachian Mountains during Prohibition.They created and still dominate country music—which, along with jazz and soul, is one of the truly American musical forms. They gave us so many brilliant writers—Mark Twain the lion among them, Horace Greeley, Edgar Allan Poe and Margaret Mitchell not far behind, and Larry McMurtry a good honorable mention—that their style of folklore became one of the truest American art forms. And they brought us a horde of thespians, including Tallulah Bankhead, Ava Gardner, Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Robert Redford and George C. Scott.

A Culture Of Contrasts
The traditional Scots-Irish culture, like America itself, is a study in wild contrasts. These are an intensely religious people—indeed, they comprise the very heart of the Christian evangelical movement—and yet they are also unapologetically and even devilishly hedonistic.

They are probably the most anti-authoritarian culture in America, conditioned from birth to resist. (It is interesting that Rosa Parks, whose refusal to move to the back of the bus sparked the modern Civil Rights movement, speaks of her Scots-Irish great-grandfather.) And yet they are known as the most intensely patriotic segment of the country as well.They are naturally rebellious, often impossible to control, and yet their strong military tradition produces generation after generation of perhaps the finest soldiers the world has ever seen.

They are filled with wanderlust, but no matter how far they roam, their passion for family travels with them. Underlying these seeming contradictions is a strong unwritten code of personal honor and individual accountability.

Rednecks
Because “sophisticated” America tends to avert its eyes from them, it is inclined to ignore or misunderstand this culture. The Scots-Irish tradition of disregarding formal education and mistrusting, even despising, any form of aristocracy has given us the man the elites love to hate—t he unreconstructed redneck. The Southern redneck is an easy target, with his intrinsic stubbornness, his capacity for violence and his curious social ways.

His legacy is stained because he became the dominant culture in the South, whose economic system was based on slavery. No matter that the English aristocrats of Tidewater were slavery’s originators and principal beneficiaries or that the typical Scots-Irish yeoman had no slaves.

His is a culture founded on guns. He considers the Second Amendment sacrosanct. Literary and academic America sees such views as not only archaic but also threatening. The things he’s known for aren’t exactly valued in America’s centers of power. He’s always been a loyal American, sometimes to the point of mawkishness. He shows up for our wars. He hauls our goods, grows our food, sweats in our factories.

In the classic film Cool Hand Luke, the warden of a Southern work camp was fond of saying to the irascible title character, “Luke, we got to get your mind right.” But the warden never got Luke’s mind right. He put Luke in solitary. He put him in chains to keep him from running away. But Luke kept running, kept resisting, because he would rather die than have the warden make his mind right.

Luke was nothing more than an unpretentious, unreconstructed, unre-educated redneck. And America is a much stronger country for all his stubbornness, his willingness to stay true to himself and his refusal to back down in the face of pressure from above.

A Time for Rediscovery
The Scots-Irish are a fiercely independent, individualist people. It goes against their grain to think collectively. But, as America rushes forward into yet another redefinition of itself, the contributions of the Scots-Irish are too great to remain invisible. My culture needs to reclaim itself—stop letting others define, mock and even use it—and in so doing to regain its power to shape the direction of America.

Because our country needs us.

We are the molten core at the very center of its unbridled, raw, rebellious spirit. We helped build this nation from the bottom up. We face the world on our feet and not on our knees. We were born fighting. And if the cause is right, we will never retreat.

Who Are The Scots-Irish
In the decades leading up to the American Revolution, as many as 400,000 immigrants left Ireland, Scotland and northern England for America. While some were Irish and some English, the majority were Scottish Protestants, mostly from Northern Ireland, where they had grown weary of the conflict between the Anglican English and Irish Catholics.

Variously known as the Ulster Scots, the Scots-Irish and the Scotch-Irish, they traveled in family groups rather than as individuals and settled together on America’s frontiers, where, because of interlocking family networks, their folkways became dominant. One group settled in New Hampshire, spreading out into Vermont and Maine, but the overwhelming majority— more than 95 percent—settled along the Appalachian Mountains from Pennsylvania down to north Georgia and Alabama.

From there they migrated westward, forming the backbone of the rural South and Midwest, and then into settlements in Texas, Colorado and the Pacific Coast. They also moved north into the industrial areas of Michigan, Illinois, Ohio and Indiana.

It is estimated that there are more than 27 million descendants of the Scots-Irish migration now living in the U.S. Because people from this culture also identify themselves as of Scottish, English or Irish descent, the actual number is probably much higher.

Which states have the highest Scots-Irish populations? Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, North and South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, northern Florida, Mississippi, Arkansas, northern Louisiana, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, southern Ohio, Illinois, Indiana and parts of California, particularly around Bakersfield. The north-central “factory belt,” especially around Detroit, also saw a heavily Scots-Irish influx.

http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2004/edition_10-03-2004/featured_0

 

Fair enough. Let's only hope the "bad seed" theory doesn't comply here.

 

You're right in one regard, this sounds a lot like a lot of the propaganda I read all the time from those couching their beliefs in God, virtuousness and protection of heritage.


In his new book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to the South (and Why It Will Rise Again)," Florida native Clint Johnson exposes the Left's aggressive attempts to destroy the culture and heritage that make up the southern states. What liberals don't realize is that the South is the essence of what makes America unique and original -- everything from rock and roll to barbeque to NASCAR -- can trace its origins back to the South.

The South is under attack because it is the last region of the nation to resist being homogenized into an amorphous mass of people who think alike, sound alike, vote alike, buy alike. Nothing angers politicians, marketers, pollsters, and the politically correct crowd more than a group of people who absolutely refuse to get into line.

While the South has always been rebellious, these days it's become a cultural battlefield where the whole concept of southern history is under attack. Displaying the Confederate battle flag, preserving Confederate statues on public and private property, even singing the song Dixie are under fire as "divisive," "racist," "hate-filled," "bigoted," and every other PC description imaginable. The University of the South at Sewanee, founded by former Confederates, is even de-emphasizing the word "South" in the university’s name because marketing "experts" told the administration that the word "South" has racist connotations.

Can you give us a sample of the "politically correct myths" your book claims to dispel?

The number one myth that the book exposes is that the South is not steeped in racism. The South has many multi-cultural firsts, including the first two Jewish U.S. senators (who both served in the Confederacy.) Virginia elected a black governor 20 years before any northern state did. Today we have more black elected officials than any other region. Despite what Hollywood and the East Coast’s liberal elite want you to think, Southerners are the first to say that slavery was a moral evil.

Slavery is perceived to be exclusive of the South, but slavery was spread through all 13 colonies and beyond. Most slaves came to America on northern slave ships and even decades after importing slaves had been made illegal by Congress, one of the largest and most profitable industries in New York City was outfitting slave ships. Even the impending war between the North and the South did little to slow the slavers operating out of New York City.

What makes the southern culture a unique part of American culture today? Why should it be preserved?

Southerners have generally been here much longer than residents of any other region, so they have a deeper sense of place than most northerners whose families came through Ellis Island from 1890-1920 and fanned out across the country.

Southern culture is one where you know and help your neighbors and take care of your family without asking the government to do it for you. It’s still a place where people believe in friendliness and good manners. Southerners still believe in God and his role in their lives.

In your opinion, what is it that unites Southerners other than their accents?

Southerners have more in common with each other than we have with natives of other regions. What unites us is a common sense of place -- an understanding that the soil under our feet was cultivated by our ancestors and kept strong by our heritage. Southerners will still do anything to help a friend. Southerners have no pretenses about themselves, we don't "put on airs." And there is no more broad dividing line than grits, sweet tea and barbecue.

In your book you mention that the South provides more military recruits than any other region. Has it always been that way? And why do you think that is?

Even today, the South supplies more soldiers than any other region. Patriotism in the South coupled with family pride has always translated into a willingness to protect your home.

That truth still aggravates those who say The War for Southern Independence was all about slavery. Only a tiny fraction of Confederate soldiers owned slaves. They had no reason to fight for the large slave-holding land owners who did, but they had every reason to fight to keep the North from invading the South.

During the War of 1898, Southerners believed Spain was attacking American interests and put aside their differences with the North which they believed had sentenced them to Reconstruction. Southerners joined the army in huge numbers. They fought again in large numbers during World War I and World War II. In fact, the book shows how every major officer in both theaters of World War II was either a southerner or had deep ties to the South. The world could not have overcome World War II without the descendents of Confederates who made just about every major strategic and tactical decision during the entire conflict.

What is it that concerned Americans can do to ensure that the South “rise again”?

If you are “not from around here,” come on down South and see for yourself. The South is not the dark, dangerous, uneducated, backwards place that the Northern press and blockbuster movies make it out to be. Not only is the South the nation’s cultural center, but it is the friendliest place to live too. That’s one of the main reasons its population is growing and its economy is booming.

If you are from the South, fight the myths and fight the politically correct crowd who wants to destroy the memory of the Old South and make your region into something that it is not and never has been. Southern history and Confederate history is something that should be studied not erased. People in the South are fiercely proud of where they come from. Obliterating southern history means we lose the lessons we learned from its triumphs, and failures.

 

I think you can care about Black people and be pro-Black unity but I don't see how you can be a nationalist/separatist or anti-White and cuddle with White women.

 

Tam if you don't want to have an abortion fine but what annoys me about prolifers is they say have the baby but where do you think they end up? Loving homes? No the vast majority end up in forster care becoming a huge cost to tax payers especially when they grow up and become criminals. If you aren't going to personally take care of the children shut the fuck up(not you personally just the people who protest it)

 

Wow, now you guys are veering off into the pro-life debate. That should only take up a few thousand more pages.

This thread was an awful idea, to the OP fuck you and your thread.

 

I was with you until you started defending the Confederate flag . You're out of your cotton pickin mind my friend.