Ukraine War

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  1. Othello1967

    Othello1967 Active Member

    American politics have changed. At one time Republicans would be cheering him on while the Democrats would be doing the opposite. Ukraine was invaded by Russia and the Ukrainians are fighting back. The US and NATO should continue supporting them
     
  2. Othello1967

    Othello1967 Active Member

    The British empire would have broken up anyway and none of the citizens of the former British empire wish to return to that era.
     
  3. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    Dems are not stupid. They would cheer him.
     
  4. 2legit

    2legit Active Member

    American Stryker Vehicles have arrived here in LATVIA to support NATO member Baltic states that have border with Russia.





    Putin had Gambled big and mofo is losing big. Now he must be scared shitless of his army generals who are probably and secretly fed up with him.


    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...adimir-putin-has-gambled-everything-and-lost/

    Until Vladimir Putin lunched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in the early hours of February 24, he was winning his standoff with the West. He had compelled the United States and Europe to take his demands seriously; he experienced the pleasure of being treated as the leader of a great power; and he had succeeded in intimidating the Ukrainians as well as Russia’s other neighboring states and the wider world.

    All he had to do to solidify his victory was to recognize the independence of the so-called separatist republics in the Donbas, acknowledge that Ukraine’s chances of joining NATO were nil, and continue his creeping subversion of Ukraine in the expectation that, sooner or later, it would drift back into Russia’s orbit.

    And then he blew it all by invading Ukraine.

    Overnight, Russia became a pariah state. The West has already imposed an expanding range of sanctions with more expected. International opinion has almost unanimously condemned Putin’s war of aggression, and thousands of his own citizens have expressed their opposition to the war in demonstrations and petitions.

    Most importantly, Ukrainians have fought back, fiercely. This was something Putin probably did not expect. In his initial announcement of a “special military operation,” Putin called on Ukrainian soldiers to lay down their arms, not out of concern for their lives, but because he truly believed they would be happy to do so. But they weren’t and they didn’t. Instead, they have inflicted punishing losses on his invasion force and have inspired the watching world with their courage.

    Now the supposed chess grandmaster Putin has effectively maneuvered himself into an unwinnable position. Ukrainians throughout the entire country, regardless of the language they prefer to speak, their religion or ethnic background, have rallied around the flag. Tens of thousands have volunteered for territorial defense units. Many more have donated blood. Untold others have handed over their savings to help finance the defense of the country. An historic wave of patriotic fervor has gripped Ukraine.

    The Ukrainian nation has been joined by diaspora Ukrainians, who are now busy staging rallies and fundraising for their homeland. All these Ukrainians now consider themselves part of a modern Ukrainian nation that is as diverse as it is united in its opposition to Putin and everything he stands for: namely dictatorship and vassalage. Ukrainians have demonstrated that they love their country, despite all its extant faults, and that they are willing to sacrifice greatly for it.

    Ukraine’s dramatic show of wartime unity and national strength is exceptionally inconvenient for Putin. In his increasingly unhinged attempts to justify his war, the Russian ruler has claimed to be fighting against a ragtag band of “fascists,” “Nazis,” and “drug addicts” who represent no one but their own interests and their “paymasters” in the West. As it turns out, Putin has declared war on a patriotic nation of more than 40 million people in a country the size of France.

    His options are now all bad. He could still physically destroy Ukraine and commit a massive genocide against its inhabitants, but even the craziest of Russian imperialists would probably balk at the idea of what would be the most colossal atrocity in human history.

    Putin may yet try to establish a puppet Ukrainian regime in Kyiv that would be happy to do his bidding, as intelligence reports have long predicted. However, that would mean occupying a huge country indefinitely. This would probably require around a million soldiers, all of whom would become targets of a Ukrainian resistance movement that would be sure to emerge.

    Alternatively, Putin could try to work out some kind of deal with the current Ukrainian administration, but that would mean effectively admitting to his inner circle if not to the Russian people that his bloody enterprise had actually achieved nothing that negotiations could not have produced at far smaller cost.



    Why did Putin act so stupidly? One answer is that he may have lost touch with reality after hiding from COVID-19 in a bunker for two years. Another is that, as the unchallenged boss of the Kremlin for more than two decades, his advisors are reluctant to tell him what they fear may upset him.

    Putin’s recent meeting of the Russian Security Council was particularly revealing of the dangerously dysfunctional power dynamics in the Kremlin, with Putin alone on a throne-like seat while his minions sat across the vast hall on wooden chairs, facing him like schoolchildren.

    Another possibility is that he has completely bought into the Russian imperial and Soviet historical propaganda narratives that have traditionally consigned Ukrainians to somewhere between non-existence or the status of Russia’s subservient younger brother. It’s quite possible that this ideology has blinded Putin and many of his supporters to the reality of a Ukrainian nation with its own interests and culture.

    Putin has therefore lost. Ukraine and Ukrainians will suffer terribly from his criminal invasion, but they will survive and emerge as a strong, modern nation. Putin, in contrast, faces a far more uncertain future following this senseless war.

    Alexander Motyl is a professor of political science at Rutgers University-Newark.
     
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  5. Othello1967

    Othello1967 Active Member

    While I like the fact that the US and EU are supporting Ukraine I can`t understand why they have to make public the type and amount of military assistance they are providing. Perhaps it`s a mind game they are playing with the Russians.
     
  6. 2legit

    2legit Active Member

    An open demonstration of power by display of a great numbers of people and/or resources, is part of the war. You must defeat your enemy mentally and demoralize them before you win in the battlefield. Showing of force is one way.
     
  7. 2legit

    2legit Active Member

    Putin is a killer why are billionaire Oligarchs keep falling from window or stairs to their death ? Some of them are young and fit with no health issues yet they mysteriously die from heart attacks. Putin has so many people in his kill wish list its scary. Humanity can't stop Putin and his madness LOL. People say Elon Musk is the richest man in the world but Musk said: "I'm not the richest man, but PUTIN is." Why grandpa in his bunker killing the oligarchs ?

     
  8. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    Yes, Vladimir does another hit on the oligarchs.
     
  9. beccaomecca

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  10. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    I wish the Russians would do the right thing and rid the world of this major problem.
     
  11. 2legit

    2legit Active Member

    Easier said than done. Have you ever seen Putin's motorcade that drive at such high speed, also both sides of the motorway get closed when he's going from point A to B. Other heads of state are flown in choppers NOT Putin. There is one security ring after another of tall men in dark suits around him. Another thing to notice is how Putin walks, the Western media were asking why does he walk like that? That is called a ‘gunslinger’s gait. In this way of walking, the right arm is held rigid, while the left arm swings freely. If his security men fail, Putin is ready to swing into action, LOL and protect himself.
     
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  14. Othello1967

    Othello1967 Active Member

    If that happens, and it`s a big if, his successor would be much worse.
     
  15. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    The classic devil you know vs the devil you don't conundrum.
     
  16. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    He also has his Pretorian guards. No doubt like Hitler or Kim.
     
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  17. 2legit

    2legit Active Member

    Say a thing or two about Russian women brother ST. You think highly of Swedish women but Slavic beauties will make Sveriges run for their money.

    Putin is an asshat, he should be assassinated.


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  18. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    Yes, some have booties. Glad there are some that are out of Russia.
     
  19. Othello1967

    Othello1967 Active Member

    From what I`ve heard they are not friendly towards bm. Maybe, those that move to the US change their outlook.
     
  20. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    Eastern Europe isn't known for being the most racially open countries. With that said, a while back I did have an online flirtationship with a drop dead gorgeous Serbian woman. She's married now but we're still friends on FB and keep up with each other's lives from time to time.
     

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