Chicago: Experiencing Shootings every week, Going Unnoticed

Bliss said:
Calling it gang violence he may just now have some.
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What kind of world do you live in that you can be critical and expect someone else to find a solution?

Hmm criticism without input of a solution. Sounds more like fiction than the behavior of an adult.
 
Beasty said:
I don't use this to be critical of people that are already doing something positive. You have, so the onus is on you to find a solution.
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Beasty said:
What kind of world do you live in that you can be critical and expect someone else to find a solution?

Hmm criticism without input of a solution. Sounds more like fiction than the behavior of an adult.
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Typical liberal response:

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You have no problem demeaning and criticizing other people on this board, and when people ask for YOUR input on solutions, you just deflect deflect deflect and turn it back on them. You and another prominent member are very good and deflection.

Have a good day.
 
Bookworm616 said:
Typical liberal response:

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You have no problem demeaning and criticizing other people on this board, and when people ask for YOUR input on solutions, you just deflect deflect deflect and turn it back on them. You and another prominent member are very good and deflection.

Have a good day.
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Show me where I do this.

You got called out now you are projecting. That's a typical and tired defense mechanism that easily seen through.


*yawn*
 
Beasty said:
Show me where I do this.

You got called out now you are projecting. That's a typical and tired defense mechanism that easily seen through.


*yawn*
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You should teach a class pin deflection, you're an expert at that.

I asked you for YOUR solution and you come back with "the onus" is on me.

If that's not deflection, I don't know what is. And since you appear to be incapable of engaging in any meaningful conversation, I bid you adieu.

Good day to you.
 
Bookworm616 said:
You should teach a class pin deflection, you're an expert at that.

I asked you for YOUR solution and you come back with "the onus" is on me.

If that's not deflection, I don't know what is. And since you appear to be incapable of engaging in any meaningful conversation, I bid you adieu.

Good day to you.
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Give me one reason why I should have a solution.
 
Beasty said:
What kind of world do you live in that you can be critical and expect someone else to find a solution?

Hmm criticism without input of a solution. Sounds more like fiction than the behavior of an adult.
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I gave you my solution. Post#65.
 
Beasty said:
What does the national guard have to do with your criticism of BLM?

You could have said that a long time ago without even mentioning them.
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Huh?? You said l criticized but offered no solution.
I said N.G, and teaching parents it begins in the home. But l know you don't want to hear that because l saw your similar negative response to Meowkitten when he asked you what solutions you could offer.
 
Bliss said:
Again.. Before you comment, follow the conversation that was being discussed.

DudeNY said if cops are held criminally accountable they will think of this and not shoot, and l re-noted that cops likely won't stop to ponder that..because of their mantra and training.
It's not me saying it, bloomin' hell.

From article:

"....But as these needed reforms play out, let's not forget Sean Bolton, the Memphis police officer who was shot to death July 31 while walking up to an illegally parked car. Bolton was among more than 70 American police officers who have died so far this year in the line of duty, more than a quarter of them by gunfire.

.... To understand survival through the psychology of a cop, come with me behind the closed doors of an American police training academy.

One of the very first things taught to me was that on every call an officer might respond to there will be at least one gun present -- the one the officer brings to the scene. So this was drummed into us: If a physical confrontation occurs between you and a suspect, you are in a fight for your life. Why? Because statistics show that if a suspect takes away an officer's weapon in an altercation, there is an 85 percent chance that the officer will be killed by that weapon.

So it shouldn't surprise anyone that police officers are trained to win in combat situations, when their lives are on the line. As a mantra among police officers goes, "I would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six" - that is, 12 jurors rather than six pallbearers.

Indeed, the courts have long recognized that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments about the amount of force that is necessary, and to make those judgments in circumstances that are tense, uncertain and rapidly evolving. Guidelines for how this force should be exercised were established by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1989 in the case of Graham v. Connor: "severity of the crime being investigated, whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officer or others, and whether the individual is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight." The reasonableness of a particular use of force, the court said, must be judged from the perspective of the officer engaged in the confrontation, not with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."

Now tell me why it surprises you then this shit keeps happening? They are taught there is "inherent danger, and no accountability". So take that shit up with them, ok?
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You don't see a problem with the mentality of this kind of training??

Approximately EIGHTEEN police officers have been killed in the line of duty in 2016. Out of more than 1 million law enforcement officers nationwide.
Two-hundredths of one percent.

Yet cops are still trained to be afraid and paranoid and to fear ANY confrontation with a suspect.

Nonetheless, I agree with DudeNY, if more cops were sent to prison for obviously bad shoots and reckless homicides, we wouldn't see cases where a cop shoots a suspect in the back who flees a traffic stop, or a man choked to death on a NY street for selling cigarettes.
 
Bliss said:
Where is that attitude and quote for other violent issues presented on the board?
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I give solutions to the issues I have a problem with.

You don't get to tell people what they should have a problem with.

Did I try to tell you or anyone else what they should or should not have a problem with?

Bliss said:
Huh?? You said l criticized but offered no solution.
I said N.G, and teaching parents it begins in the home. But l know you don't want to hear that because l saw your similar negative response to Meowkitten when he asked you what solutions you could offer.
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What makes you think BLM don't instill values in their children?

Tell me how teaching kids in the home will stop active gang members from shooting people. They are grown men.
 
Bliss said:
Huh?? You said l criticized but offered no solution.
I said N.G, and teaching parents it begins in the home. But l know you don't want to hear that because l saw your similar negative response to Meowkitten when he asked you what solutions you could offer.
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Playing dumb only works for people that do it 24/7.
 
andreboba said:
You don't see a problem with the mentality of this kind of training??

Approximately EIGHTEEN police officers have been killed in the line of duty in 2016. Out of more than 1 million law enforcement officers nationwide.
Two-hundredths of one percent.

Yet cops are still trained to be afraid and paranoid and to fear ANY confrontation with a suspect.

Nonetheless, I agree with DudeNY, if more cops were sent to prison for obviously bad shoots and reckless homicides, we wouldn't see cases where a cop shoots a suspect in the back who flees a traffic stop, or a man choked to death on a NY street for selling cigarettes.
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Knock it off AB, it's not my POV.. I was asked about the 12 vs 6 mentality and provided its origin.
I do agree with your last two paragraph.

If you read the excerpt l posted, it's not 18, it's 70 cops murdered this year so far..
 
Beasty said:
I give solutions to the issues I have a problem with.

You don't get to tell people what they should have a problem with.

Did I try to tell you or anyone else what they should or should not have a problem with?



What makes you think BLM don't instill values in their children?

Tell me how teaching kids in the home will stop active gang members from shooting people. They are grown men.
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Who said BLM don't. Again, huh??
I'm talking about the gang-members.

Lol..this board is FULL OF PEOPLE telling others what they should or shouldn't have a problem with. Hilarious YOU even went there.
 
Bliss said:
Who said BLM don't. Again, huh??
I'm talking about the gang-members.

Lol..this board is FULL OF PEOPLE telling others what they should or shouldn't have a problem with. Hilarious YOU even went there.
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Because they are the ones you criticized. Remember? LOL
 
Bliss said:
Again.. Before you comment, follow the conversation that was being discussed.

DudeNY said if cops are held criminally accountable they will think of this and not shoot, and l re-noted that cops likely won't stop to ponder that..because of their mantra and training.
It's not me saying it, bloomin' hell.

From article:

"....But as these needed reforms play out, let's not forget Sean Bolton, the Memphis police officer who was shot to death July 31 while walking up to an illegally parked car. Bolton was among more than 70 American police officers who have died so far this year in the line of duty, more than a quarter of them by gunfire.

.... To understand survival through the psychology of a cop, come with me behind the closed doors of an American police training academy.

One of the very first things taught to me was that on every call an officer might respond to there will be at least one gun present -- the one the officer brings to the scene. So this was drummed into us: If a physical confrontation occurs between you and a suspect, you are in a fight for your life. Why? Because statistics show that if a suspect takes away an officer's weapon in an altercation, there is an 85 percent chance that the officer will be killed by that weapon.

So it shouldn't surprise anyone that police officers are trained to win in combat situations, when their lives are on the line. As a mantra among police officers goes, "I would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six" - that is, 12 jurors rather than six pallbearers.

Indeed, the courts have long recognized that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments about the amount of force that is necessary, and to make those judgments in circumstances that are tense, uncertain and rapidly evolving. Guidelines for how this force should be exercised were established by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1989 in the case of Graham v. Connor: "severity of the crime being investigated, whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officer or others, and whether the individual is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight." The reasonableness of a particular use of force, the court said, must be judged from the perspective of the officer engaged in the confrontation, not with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."

Now tell me why it surprises you then this shit keeps happening? They are taught there is "inherent danger, and no accountability". So take that shit up with them, ok?
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Ok got it apologist. You spend the vast majority of your posts defending that horseshit but ok
 
Bliss said:
Knock it off AB, it's not my POV.. I was asked about the 12 vs 6 mentality and provided its origin.
I do agree with your last two paragraph.

If you read the excerpt l posted, it's not 18, it's 70 cops murdered this year so far..
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70 cops killed in the line of duty, but only a quarter from gunfire.

Cops most of all seem worried about encountering suspects with firearms, which is part of the reason they are inclined to used excessive force in many interactions with the public.

I'm assuming the rest were killed from being hit by vehicles, knives, blunt force of some kind or something just really random and not considered a typical threat for most law enforcement.

BTW I was commenting more about the link you posted, I never thought it was your opinion.
 
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