NFL QB National Anthem Protest

[DudeNY12]

Could you also include the trend that "all people" of white descent are treated as being racists?

And why do feel you have to be mindful to act a certain way? To whom?

Yes, I would agree that there are some who believe that all white people are racists. But keep in mind that many are simply weary. For instance... depending on the situation/setting... I'll change sides of the sidewalk to avoid walking past some just to avoid the possibility of them getting scared and/or thinking i'm about to snatch their purse.

In fact to answer your question. Here's an example that actually happened in your area. One day my nephew and I were heading to catch the train on the MFL line. We could see that the train one stop away and started picking up our pace at sort of a fast jogging pace when I suddenly nudged him to slow down. He said "What, uncle, the train is coming?", then he noticed what I had spotted, and said... "oh". There was a lady ahead of us who was looking back as if we were possibly pursuing her. Some of us have to change our behavior as to not frighten others. Here it was we were simply trying to up our pace as to not miss the train. Then there's the hoodie issue. I could go on.

 

[Bliss]

Don't get in trouble while you are in school. You can lose your job because you are not even qualified yet. Then you get sent to the fleet jobless and essentially a janitor. Lol

So basically if you're not on your best behaviour at all times, you get screwed one way or another.
Um, ok, glad l didn't join now, l'm a misfit. In the brig l go.

 

[The Dark King]

Yes, I would agree that there are some who believe that all white people are racists. But keep in mind that many are simply weary. For instance... depending on the situation/setting... I'll change sides of the sidewalk to avoid walking past some just to avoid the possibility of them getting scared and/or thinking i'm about to snatch their purse.

In fact to answer your question. Here's an example that actually happened in your area. One day my nephew and I were heading to catch the train on the MFL line. We could see that the train one stop away and started picking up our pace at sort of a fast jogging pace when I suddenly nudged him to slow down. He said "What, uncle, the train is coming?", then he noticed what I had spotted, and said... "oh". There was a lady ahead of us who was looking back as if we were possibly pursuing her. Some of us have to change our behavior as to not frighten others. Here it was we were simply trying to up our pace as to not miss the train. Then there's the hoodie issue. I could go on.

Fam I can so relate to this. I don't like jogging outside for this very reason rather do the treadmill or go to the track. Where do you train for your races if you don't mind me asking.

 

[DudeNY12]

I think this solution to the problem (expressed by meow at the bar) is a perfect example of our white privilege. Im not pointing a finger at you, I've said that same kind of answer to people countless times myself. While it's a perfect common sense response ("the right to protect/defend yourself") for a white American, it's never that simple for a bm. I've been with my fiancee 3 years and have seen time and time again, the different outcomes he and I have when doing the exact same thing (making a complaint, dealing with police during a traffic violation, etc). The laws may be in place permitting someone to protect themselves, but unfortunately we've seen over and over when those laws protect you and I differently than they do a bm in the same situation. While you and I can naturally fall back on the laws in place to protect our actions, I think the point a few here are making is that there's so much more to consider for a bm in the same situation (protecting himself or even just calling on the cops to make a complaint).

OMG! Thank you a million times over. All too often BM are trying to make this very point, and it's thrown back at them as they're imagining things because there's truly a level playing field.

Well Raider, l appreciate you responding with your thoughtful POV without accusations.

I agree with you that we more likely feel compelled to advocate our rights in situation where a BP might not. I don't profess to know how it feels to be Black, l only can go by prejudices inflicted upon me and that is my base. I do have empathy, l'm not oblivious.

I also understand about the traffic stops - even though l get anxiety my car will be taken from me (my rear lights are out and l don't have the $pare to fix them yet) , l don't fear l might go to jail or die. I always feel like l can talk my way out of it (you probably could too) whereas a BP might feel the complete opposite.

Same thing in a bar situation. I guess BM are constantly assessing the situation wheras you and l are merely reactive to a situation as it occurs. Maybe Meow knew the bottle was coming and ducked, whereas l would have been obliviously hit and then reacted.

Yup, and it's to the point that many BM (myself included) will avoid exiting the interstate highway at some places just to lessen our chances of encountering that small town cop who's bored and thinks someone like us don't belong there, and/or must be looking to cause some trouble.

 

[RaiderLL]

OMG! Thank you a million times over. All too often BM are trying to make this very point, and it's thrown back at them as they're imagining things because there's truly a level playing field.

You're absolutely right. It breaks my heart but I have people in my own family who make comments like that and it's because they can't see past their own nose. They have no idea what bp face on a daily basis, they just ignorantly assume "it's 2016, all is equal". I'm quick to correct them but the few who behave this way are male cousins, not very open to hearing the reality of the world.

 

[Bliss]

Yes, I would agree that there are some who believe that all white people are racists. But keep in mind that many are simply weary. For instance... depending on the situation/setting... I'll change sides of the sidewalk to avoid walking past some just to avoid the possibility of them getting scared and/or thinking i'm about to snatch their purse.

In fact to answer your question. Here's an example that actually happened in your area. One day my nephew and I were heading to catch the train on the MFL line. We could see that the train one stop away and started picking up our pace at sort of a fast jogging pace when I suddenly nudged him to slow down. He said "What, uncle, the train is coming?", then he noticed what I had spotted, and said... "oh". There was a lady ahead of us who was looking back as if we were possibly pursuing her. Some of us have to change our behavior as to not frighten others. Here it was we were simply trying to up our pace as to not miss the train. Then there's the hoodie issue. I could go on.

I understand I hate that you feel you have to do that or even "have" to do that.

Can we have an open discussion here?
I'm not defending her in any way, but as much as she might not understand your feelings, can you see that perhaps she may have felt startled by the new pace, or that you were males. Obama talked about his white grandma...
Do you think a black lady may have clutched her purse, or no?

Here is what happened to me on the flip side that might offer another perspective..
I was walking home and turned and noticed a young male behind me far away. He just sort of appeared.
So l wouldn't make him - a BM - feel uncomfortable, I deliberately never turned around again and he came up on me and he held me up.

I have since had local black men call me foolish and tell me they would not only have crossed the street, they would have put their hand in their chest area to infer they were armed.

Since then, as a matter of survival, l sometimes have to weigh up a situation if l am alone and a young hooded man is behind me.( color/race is irrelevant). I feel fucking awful even going there because before l was so oblivious, so free if not reckless walking all hours up any street (an old black lady once warned me not to wear my gold jewelery and l laughed saying oh l will be fine - l was 21 and very green).

I think our experiences shape us. Do l worry about a man's comfort level, or mine? That's my quandary.

And l want you to know it really isn't a black thing, l feel this way in northeast philly, lots of young white vagrant male panhandlers aproaching me for "cigarettes or a light". Honestly they worry me more because l always feel they may be more ruthless, whereas a BM l might be able to calm him like l did my mugger (l kept calling him sweetheart as l was terrified to die).

Discussing race issues is not easy - way too many misunderstandings occur, but l shared this hoping you understand that l do understand where you are coming from and it brings tears to my eyes because l know what a sweet kind-hearted gentleman you are and would defend you to no end if a racist said anything to you..l just want you to understand there is a flip side just because women are often targeted.

 

[RaiderLL]

Yes, I would agree that there are some who believe that all white people are racists. But keep in mind that many are simply weary. For instance... depending on the situation/setting... I'll change sides of the sidewalk to avoid walking past some just to avoid the possibility of them getting scared and/or thinking i'm about to snatch their purse.

In fact to answer your question. Here's an example that actually happened in your area. One day my nephew and I were heading to catch the train on the MFL line. We could see that the train one stop away and started picking up our pace at sort of a fast jogging pace when I suddenly nudged him to slow down. He said "What, uncle, the train is coming?", then he noticed what I had spotted, and said... "oh". There was a lady ahead of us who was looking back as if we were possibly pursuing her. Some of us have to change our behavior as to not frighten others. Here it was we were simply trying to up our pace as to not miss the train. Then there's the hoodie issue. I could go on.

My honey does that exact same thing. It's really a double whammy when you're not only a bm in America, but a gigantic bm. The intimidation factor is *always* present with my guy. He tries to combat that by smiling, greeting, befriending everyone...but at the end of the day there'll always be someone who fears him for no valid reason.

 

[DudeNY12]

Fam I can so relate to this. I don't like jogging outside for this very reason rather do the treadmill or go to the track. Where do you train for your races if you don't mind me asking.

Sure, don't mind at all. I'm not sure how much of the DC area you may have seen, but I think you may have mentioned being in some areas of NoVA? I think my area is a lot like Arlington, Fairfax counties and even some parts of Alexandria

I live in Rockville, MD which in my part...they're now calling North Bethesda. It's in Montgomery County, and one of the things I absolutely love about the county is that it's vibrant, mostly decent areas and very diverse.

Anyways... They're are a couple of parks, and roads that have bike/running paths. I'll mix it up and run through some the neighborhoods, the park and of course on the paths without much worry. Thankfully, I've never had a problem, and lots of others are out and about doing the same. However, with all of that being said... I still don't push my luck in that when I run outdoors... I'm ALWAYS dressed for it, on residential streets... I always run in the street, and I never run after dark.

I used to run at a couple of the local schools, but I don't like going around a track unless it's a very short run.

 

[The Dark King]

Sure, don't mind at all. I'm not sure how much of the DC area you may have seen, but I think you may have mentioned being in some areas of NoVA? I think my area is a lot like Arlington, Fairfax counties and even some parts of Alexandria

I live in Rockville, MD which in my part...they're now calling North Bethesda. It's in Montgomery County, and one of the things I absolutely love about the county is that it's vibrant, mostly decent areas and very diverse.

Anyways... They're are a couple of parks, and roads that have bike/running paths. I'll mix it up and run through some the neighborhoods, the park and of course on the paths without much worry. Thankfully, I've never had a problem, and lots of others are out and about doing the same. However, with all of that being said... I still don't push my luck in that when I run outdoors... I'm ALWAYS dressed for it, on residential streets... I always run in the street, and I never run after dark.

I used to run at a couple of the local schools, but I don't like going around a track unless it's a very short run.

I hear you fam. I should take a page from your book. Only time I do street runs is if my schedule lines up with local running groups.

 

[Beasty]

So basically if you're not on your best behaviour at all times, you get screwed one way or another.
Um, ok, glad l didn't join now, l'm a misfit. In the brig l go.

I wouldn't go that far, but if you are a misfit they have something for you. Lol. That's not the place to buck the system. All of my commanding officers loved me, but there were times I had to stick my neck out for my people to keep us out of trouble. No regrets. :-D

So let's get you signed up. Its not to late for that red pill. :smt077

 

[DudeNY12]

I understand I hate that you feel you have to do that or even "have" to do that.

Can we have an open discussion here?
I'm not defending her in any way, but as much as she might not understand your feelings, can you see that perhaps she may have felt startled by the new pace, or that you were males. Obama talked about his white grandma...
Do you think a black lady may have clutched her purse, or no?

Here is what happened to me on the flip side that might offer another perspective..
I was walking home and turned and noticed a young male behind me far away. He just sort of appeared.
So l wouldn't make him - a BM - feel uncomfortable, I deliberately never turned around again and he came up on me and he held me up.

I have since had local black men call me foolish and tell me they would not only have crossed the street, they would have put their hand in their chest area to infer they were armed.

Since then, as a matter of survival, l sometimes have to weigh up a situation if l am alone and a young hooded man is behind me.( color/race is irrelevant). I feel fucking awful even going there because before l was so oblivious, so free if not reckless walking all hours up any street (an old black lady once warned me not to wear my gold jewelery and l laughed saying oh l will be fine - l was 21 and very green).

I think our experiences shape us. Do l worry about a man's comfort level, or mine? That's my quandary.

And l want you to know it really isn't a black thing, l feel this way in northeast philly, lots of young white vagrant male panhandlers aproaching me for "cigarettes or a light". Honestly they worry me more because l always feel they may be more ruthless, whereas a BM l might be able to calm him like l did my mugger (l kept calling him sweetheart as l was terrified to die).

Discussing race issues is not easy - way too many misunderstandings occur, but l shared this hoping you understand that l do understand where you are coming from and it brings tears to my eyes because l know what a sweet kind-hearted gentleman you are and would defend you to no end if a racist said anything to you..l just want you to understand there is a flip side just because women are often targeted.

Yes, I get it. My thing is that I never want to startle anyone. Even in places like our parking garage at work... It's quiet and somewhat dark, so if I see someone else, esecially in the direction that I'm walking who may not see me. I'll typical hold my keys in my hand and intentionally let them jingle.

I'm sorry to hear of you being robbed, and glad you're around to tell about it. I won't be so cold as to say you were foolish. In cases like that which you described... Yes, I'd advise you to cross the street or something, and not totally ignore this person just because you don't know their intentions. I think it's my inner-city upbringing that makes it very instinctive for me to always be ware of my surroundings, especially in a desolate/dark area. So, I definitely understand if others are as well. Especially as a lady... I'd advise you to always be mindful of your situation, and not to take any chances.

Our (myself and my nephew) thing was that we knew we meant no harm, and understand that the lady really had no way of knowing this. We simply didn't want her to panic and possibly yell out for help. At the time I was about 47ish, but I'm still somewhat athletic in appearance, and my nephew was 20 y/o. Our immediate thought was... What if she panics, and yells for help... That has the potential to get very bad for the two of us if others (and police) truly believe we were up to no good.

I work at a university, and unfortunately... Plenty of students are crime victims in the area, especially at night. We have a few student employees in our office, and I'm always reminding them to be careful as they're are some wondering in the area who are indeed up to no good and looking for an opportunity. So I often advise them to use the escort services, and not take chances.

So, I get it... You do have to be weary of muggers (and worse) when out and abut, but it just makes things worse for us when some folks are clearly taking us for criminals because we're black. All I say is that it has been kinda hurtful in the past and it really sucks.

That's part of where my old-fashioned part comes into play. As a younger I clearly remember my Mom grooming me to always walk on the outisde, and to always see that a young lady I'm with makes it safely to her destination. Then there was my dad reinforcing it a bit later.

Also... Thanks a bunch for the kind words.

 

[Bliss]

Yes, I get it. My thing is that I never want to startle anyone. Even in places like our parking garage at work... It's quiet and somewhat dark, so if I see someone else, esecially in the direction that I'm walking who may not see me. I'll typical hold my keys in my hand and intentionally let them jingle.

I'm sorry to hear of you being robbed, and glad you're around to tell about it. I won't be so cold as to say you were foolish. In cases like that which you described... Yes, I'd advise you to cross the street or something, and not totally ignore this person just because you don't know their intentions. I think it's my inner-city upbringing that makes it very instinctive for me to always be ware of my surroundings, especially in a desolate/dark area. So, I definitely understand if others are as well. Especially as a lady... I'd advise you to always be mindful of your situation, and not to take any chances.

Our (myself and my nephew) thing was that we knew we meant no harm, and understand that the lady really had no way of knowing this. We simply didn't want her to panic and possibly yell out for help. At the time I was about 47ish, but I'm still somewhat athletic in appearance, and my nephew was 20 y/o. Our immediate thought was... What if she panics, and yells for help... That has the potential to get very bad for the two of us if others (and police) truly believe we were up to no good.

I work at a university, and unfortunately... Plenty of students are crime victims in the area, especially at night. We have a few student employees in our office, and I'm always reminding them to be careful as they're are some wondering in the area who are indeed up to no good and looking for an opportunity. So I often advise them to use the escort services, and not take chances.

So, I get it... You do have to be weary of muggers (and worse) when out and abut, but it just makes things worse for us when some folks are clearly taking us for criminals because we're black. All I say is that it has been kinda hurtful in the past and it really sucks.

That's part of where my old-fashioned part comes into play. As a younger I clearly remember my Mom grooming me to always walk on the outisde, and to always see that a young lady I'm with makes it safely to her destination. Then there was my dad reinforcing it a bit later.

Also... Thanks a bunch for the kind words.

You know, l was about to reply and when l hit the button, an addum not originally there was included..the part of you being old fashioned and your mum raising you to look out for your lady...
l was about to type per the bolded part that "ironically, you seem like the very type to stop a mugger hurting anyone..."
And there it was. You confirmed I was absolutely right.

l appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this and you have done a tremendous thing expressing your anger and hurt, as well as understanding, in a way that has reached out to me and possibly others. Thank you, DudeNY.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

 

[GFunk]

Yeah get a DUI, which could probably cost you 2500 to 5 grand. Then after your Commanding officer hammers you and hits you twice for half a months pay, and reduces your rank the same DUI could cost you 20,000 to 30,000. or more after a few years once you factor in the reduction in rank that you have to fight to get back. Lets not even talk about where you could have been. You could have been on the brink of a promotion, then get hammered and pushed back in rank essentially losing two ranks when you look at it. It adds up.

And given the downsizing we're going through, you'd be "lucky" if all that happened and you didn't get kicked out and lose your security clearance. I'll take civilian punishment over UCMJ any day. A DUI ain't shit in the civilian world in comparison. A dishonorable discharge follows you forever.

 

[ColiBreh1]

Sigh. This probably needs it's own thread. If anybody's been wondering why Cam Newton has gone from explaining to the media during the week of the Super Bowl back in February that he's treated differently than other QBs because he's Black to now whenever he's asked about race it's nothing but coon talk from him, this is why:


https://twitter.com/BSO/status/777945738110205953

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2016/09/panthers-hired-a-white-guy-to-coach-cam-newton-on-how-to-talk-about-race/

There has definitely been a shift in how Cam Newton has talked about race and how he speaks about everything since the Panther lost in the Super Bowl.

It was happening in plain sight and wasn’t being hidden very well. SI has some insight on who is responsible for the change.

Race has played a role in some, if not most, of the criticism Newton has received over the years. He said it in January and he said it again to the nation’s most recognizable black publication. But since then, something has changed, and Newton has been operating under the politics of respectability and colorblindness.

Part of the shift has to do with GOP pollster and PR advisor Frank Luntz. Luntz has worked with the Panthers before—Deadspin outlined some of his work with them and Cam Newton in a piece from 2014, which included, as the article says, “a campaign to enhance the image of several players and the organization.” He was called in (by whom is unclear) this off-season to help Newton frame discussions on race among other topics, according to people close to Newton. Luntz, who declined comment on this story through a spokeswoman, is often credited with prompting the phrase “climate change” rather than global warming and helping Newt Gingrich with his 1990s “Contract With America.”

Luntz doesn’t like Kaepernick at all, meaning he isn’t a fan of someone protesting for racial equality and ending police brutality. Just think about that for a minute.

Newton who was pretty outspoken about race issues in the past and has been a target of racism and prejudice, now says the country is beyond racism.

He has become someone who waffles on issues and doesn’t make any clear statements. He says a lot of words that don’t mean anything.

“It’s not just police killing black people it’s…people make mistakes. People make mistakes often,” Newton told the station. “No matter the color, no matter the age, no matter the size or what have you. In my community, it’s people that’s killing people. And that’s all across America. So it’s not a point in time where I just don’t want to fingerpoint and hold this specific entity up to a standard that we’re all not living up to.

“Do I think it’s right? No. But I just think we all, as a whole, should be better. You know? And I don’t think skin color, I don’t think culture status, should kind of alienate certain people from others. That’s just not something that I believe in. I believe in treating everybody right.”

It almost seems like Cam Newton has been brainwashed, like a Manchurian Candidate.

A white man, should never be coaching a black man how to speak about race. It is sad that Newton has allowed that to happen considering how black people have vigorously fought for him when others just thought he was a thug and n*gger for dancing.

 

[ColiBreh1]

https://twitter.com/BSO/status/777969076664725504

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2016/09/congressman-lee-zeldin-tries-to-connect-ny-bomber-to-colin-kaepernick/

Lee Zeldin is the type of person who you shouldn’t vote for. He is someone who takes a tragedy and try to flip it for political gain.

He is also someone who will try to connect two different things together when they have nothing to do with each other.

https://twitter.com/leezeldin/status/777897972499488768

What does kneeling for the National Anthem as a protest to racial injustice and wanting to stop police brutality have to do with a crazy person setting off bombs in New York?

Nothing, unless you are trying to say Kaepernick is a terrorist for wanting our country to be better. The oppressor never plays fair, they play dirty and will do anything to poison your mind and distract it from the message don’t let them.

 

[goodlove8]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ami-dolphins-players-protest-police-union-nfl




Dolphins sit out anthem as police union says they have forfeited free speech

 

[Beasty]

And given the downsizing we're going through, you'd be "lucky" if all that happened and you didn't get kicked out and lose your security clearance. I'll take civilian punishment over UCMJ any day. A DUI ain't shit in the civilian world in comparison. A dishonorable discharge follows you forever.

Nah, pretty sure that's just an OTH. It's not right to get a dishonorable over that. With an OTH you just lose benefits, it's just like you never joined. With a dishorable you are fucked. I would advise anyone to challenge that, but yeah either way you can lose that clearance.

 

[The Dark King]

And given the downsizing we're going through, you'd be "lucky" if all that happened and you didn't get kicked out and lose your security clearance. I'll take civilian punishment over UCMJ any day. A DUI ain't shit in the civilian world in comparison. A dishonorable discharge follows you forever.

Downsizing for What? We about to go to war again

 

[The Dark King]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/das...ds-in-air-before-tulsa-police-shoot-him-dead/

And see this shit right here perfectly sums up why CK
is doing what he's doing. I'm so beyond disgusted right now.
Dude who had five bombs and had a shoot out with the cops some how gets arrested but another bm who is unarmed and complying despite the fact he broke no laws gets killed?
I dare someone to say all lives matter