The Dark King
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And again one has to ask why is she here
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Beasty
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You did say you were voting for him. You also said that Trump was a better candidate than Hillary. You then spent the next few months supporting Trump. Here it is after the election and most people here didn't even know this guy existed. lol
The Dark King
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Must be more of their "alternative " facts
Bliss
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Well maybe they should know he exists. Open your mind than supporting the same tired Clintons. I didn't support Trump in that more-so, l hate crooked Hillary who did pretty much nothing for communities in 30 years except get rich of lies and greasy handshakes.
I like Trump's real estate/business acumen..having read his books 20 years ago. So it prevailed for me.
The Dark King
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His business acumen? Lmao I dare you to find three business partners he didn't greatly screw over. And if you go bankrupt 6 times you suck at business. Guess how many times Warren Buffet or Mark Cuban went bankrupt take a wild guess lol.
Business acumen lol
And there's nothing more crooked than lying to the faces of the American people for over a year promising to drain the swamp and would you look at that he added alligators to that shit.
Beasty
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His Ocean front Palm beach estate is beautiful. Visual appeal and location does have value in real estate. Not sure if people need to read a book to know that but....there, I just said something nice about him.
ColiBreh1
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@BlissNope, I'm not buying the reason that Trump's Inauguration was a flop is because his supporters were scared of getting that work from Leftists.
Here are the stats:
Donald Trump, 2017: 250,000
Barack Obama, 2013: 1 million
Barack Obama, 2009: 1.8 million (generally considered a record for people on the National Mall)
George W. Bush, 2005: 400,000
George W. Bush, 2001: 300,000
Bill Clinton, 1997: 250,000
Bill Clinton, 1993: 800,000
George H.W. Bush, 1989: 300,000
There's no doubt in my mind Trump's Inauguration was a flop is because:
1. He's the most unpopular president-elect ever (Trump only has a 37% approval rating, Trump lost the popular vote by 3+ Million, half the eligible voters in this country didn't even bother to vote, & not to mention potential Russian hacking effecting the election)
2. The silent majority who voted for Trump don't wanna be seen publicly supporting him.
This bullshit excuse about folks being too busy working to make it to the Inauguration I see Trump supporters/conservatives using on Twitter is just.
https://twitter.com/jilevin/status/823234614323912704
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/tv-trumps-inauguration-was-worst-40-years
Peach State Scholar
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The Dark King
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Why on earth are you using facts these types don't believe in facts lol
Bliss
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Here you go. Not propaganda..more-like reality.
http://www.capsweb.org/press-releases/illegal-aliens-estimated-20-38-million
And so you know..way back in 1999,
INS (@.gov) estimated that the total unauthorized immigrant population residing in the United States was 7.0 million, unrelenting at an approximate rate of 2 million a year.
Now we are at 18 years later, what do you think that number might be?
INS in 2012 estimated it's double that but stabilized ( so does the Pew Institute in 2014), however CAPS provides the likely more realistic numbers at 20-38 million, based on for every one caught and deported, two are not. So figure 30 mill is middle ground.
One more thing. (which I will add in a new post) that segueways into the effect of the comparative employment rates and odds of employment for different ethnicities.
The Dark King
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So by your math more than 11 percent of the United States are illegal immigrants???
Lmao
So basically roughly a population the same size as the black population is a problem.
Coincidence.... I think not LMAO
I take it back stay all you want Bliss I'm enjoying your stand up
Lol
Bliss
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Not surprised that that "Chart" is fake news.
Even Huffington Post acknowledged Trump was the top 3 of TV watched innaguration. Their Source was Nielsons.
As follows..
#1 Ronald Reagan 42 million viewers
#2 Barack Obama 38 million
#3 Donald Trump 31 million.
Bliss
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Not my math...CAPS.
Not my math.. These experts math - (but of course you didn't read)
"How Many Foreign Nationals Actually Live in the U.S. Illegally?" -- Diana Hull, Ph.D., behavioral scientist and President of Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS).
"Illegal Aliens: Counting the Uncountable" -- James Walsh, J.D., former Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).
"Spiraling Backwards: The Fiscal Impact of Illegal Immigration in California, Revisited" -- Philip Romero, Ph.D., professor of Business Administration at the University of Oregon who previously was Economic Advisor to former California Governor Pete Wilson.
"How Many Illegal Aliens are in the U.S.? An Alternative Methodology to Discovering the Numbers" -- Fred Elbel, computer specialist from Colorado who is an expert in methodologies and data analysis
Wayne Lutton, Ph.D., editor of The Social Contract, was the moderator.
"There is good reason to believe that instead of 8 to12 million illegal aliens living in the United States, there may actually be 20 to 30 million or more," Diana Hull, President of CAPS, writes in her paper, "How Many Foreign Nationals Actually Live in the U.S. Illegally?" "Getting those numbers right was crucial, but ignored, during the recent Senate debate. There is no matter more critical for our population future than ascertaining the actual scale of this problem," she writes.
James Walsh, former associate general counsel to the INS, says in his paper, "Illegal Aliens: Counting the Uncountable," that: "No exact head count exists for the ghost population of illegal aliens. ...Guessing the number is like playing the lottery." None of the government "experts" "has a clue as to the exact number," he says, "but this does not keep them from crafting estimates to fit their own agenda. ...My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homeland) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended," he explains. His article further details his methodology and experiences at the INS.
Philip Romero, former economic advisor to Gov. Pete Wilson of California, says in his paper, "Spiraling Backwards: The Fiscal Impact of Illegal Immigration in California, Revisited" that "the average illegal immigrant receives eight to twelve dollars in services for every dollar they pay in taxes, roughly twice the disparity found in 1994... Illegal immigrants impose a 'tax' on legal Californian residents in the tens of billions of dollars. Their costs, net of taxes, consume about 20 percent of the entire state budget, crowding out vital services or lower taxes for legal residents."
In his paper, "How Many Illegal Aliens are in the U.S.? An Alternative Methodology to Discovering the Numbers," Fred Elbel includes five tables and many statistics to explain his methodology to arrive at a reasonable figure of illegals. "Official estimates are somewhat suspect and may represent significant undercounts, as they are produced by the very entity responsible for the tidal wave of illegal aliens entering our nation," Mr. Elbel explains. "Based on [my] analysis...it is likely that up to 20 million illegal aliens presently reside in the United States, with up to 12,000 additional illegal aliens entering every day."
To receive a copy of the new study, "The Illegal Population Explosion: A Realistic Appraisal of its Actual Size, Implications for the Future, and Consequences for Public Policy Decisions and Citizen Activism," go to CAPS’s website: The study may be viewed on CAPS’ website at http://www.capsweb.org/content.php?id=57&menu_id=8, contact the CAPS office at 805-564-6626 or info@capsweb.org.
I'll be here all week
The Dark King
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Surprisingly or not really I guess your sources have a right leaning slant
Not to mention if they account for people going back to their homelands with no new immigratiob since the 08 crash then how do you get to that 40 million?
And let's say in your world of "facts" this true then apparently they contribute a lot with their low wage labor making costs cheaper and also paying a ton of state taxes by purchasing goods and services themselves right?
/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
Not to mention if they account for people going back to their homelands with no new immigratiob since the 08 crash then how do you get to that 40 million?
And let's say in your world of "facts" this true then apparently they contribute a lot with their low wage labor making costs cheaper and also paying a ton of state taxes by purchasing goods and services themselves right?
/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
Bliss
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I would think the State knows better than you on the negative cost of illegal immigration..
The Fiscal Impact of Illegal Immigration in California, Revisited" that "the average illegal immigrant receives eight to twelve dollars in services for every dollar they pay in taxes, roughly twice the disparity found in 1994... Illegal immigrants impose a 'tax' on legal Californian residents in the tens of billions of dollars. Their costs, net of taxes, consume about 20 percent of the entire state budget, crowding out vital services or lower taxes for legal residents."
But keep downplaying it..keep fighting to keep the borders pourous, and visa expirations, since it doesn't affect the people you claim to love, right? The people you insist Trump wants to shoot in firing squads. Nope. Black AMERICANS don't suffer from your open borders policy. No sirree. Trump is the bad guy..lol.
Loki
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This is exactly what I was talking about in my previous posts Bliss. CAPS is a group that is monitored by the ADL per the links below, as a group to watch, with ties to White supremacists. Yet you accept their numbers at face value.
Joe Guzzardi, who is also CAPS’s national media director, was an editor and writer at the racist, anti-immigrant website VDARE until 2010. In 2012, he presented at The Social Contract Press (TSCP) Writers Workshop, which often features racist speakers. White supremacist Wayne Lutton runs the Writer’s Workshop and also edits TSCP’s journal, The Social Contract. Racist John Tanton, the architect of the modern anti-immigrant movement, is the founder of TSCP.
http://blog.adl.org/tags/californians-for-population-stabilization
http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/immigration/c/californians-for-population.html
In the meantime numerous government agencies per below are seeing a decline in the number of illegals in recent years and place the number much closer to 11 million. The fact is the border has NOT been porous during president Obama's administration, he has deported more illegals than any other president by ANY measure, even Trump admitted as much
"President Obama has moved millions of people out. Nobody knows about it. Nobody talks about it. But under Obama, millions of people have been moved out of this country. They've been deported," Trump said. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...right-deportation-numbers-wrong-talks-about-/
I dont know why you would quote such groups as CAPS Bliss, but these kinds of posts are why many here question your intentions.
The U.S. Homeland Security Department last estimated the size of the undocumented immigrant population at 11.4 million in January 2012, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. This count includes people who entered the United States illegally and people who overstayed their visas.
Figures from independent organizations that study immigration are all in the same ballpark. Here’s a rundown:
Unauthorized population size (2012)
Unauthorized population size (latest year)
Dept. of Homeland Security
11.4 million
Pew Research Center
11.2 million
11.3 million (2014)
Center for Migration Studies
11.1 million
10.9 million (2014)
Center for Immigration Studies
11 to 12 million
11.7 million (2016)*
Update, the SPL (Southern Poverty Law Center) DOES in fact view CAPS as a "hate group". Find other sources Bliss...
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/john-tantons-network
The Dark King
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Even if that's true let's they cost us 428 million a year. How much do corporate loop holes cost. How does it cost us in pollution but never mind the billions shifted in tax burdens and the damage to our damn drinking water let's continue to focus entirely way too much on poor brown people trying to survive. After all those poor job creators who offshore jobs and hoard money have rights too.
Seriously what is your problem?
If you are so uncomfortable with brown and black people you come from a majority white country where stick your brown people on reservations where you dont even have to look at them let alone interact with them. Wouldn't you be happier there?
Bliss
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Well I'm not to know CAPs quoted two who had ties to White Nationalism.
It doesn't take away from the others quoted stats.. notably the Governor of CA' stats, as well as the INS workers figures.
They are not questioned, correct?
I also quoted to Colibreh the figures from the INS @ . gov and PEW, so you are not showing me data l didn't ALREADY post. Not sure why you reiterated the identical numbers.
And if you take the numbers of 12-14 million that the Govt revealed in 2014, don't you think there might be much more in the shadows?
Or do you honestly believe that its that exact number and that's it.
I don't, and l don't give two shits if it's a white nationslist or a black nationalist complaining that illegal immigration is a fiscal, medical, housing and employment burden on Americans.
Furthermore I have repeatedly shown you that Obama's deportation numbers are fudged. The man himself encouraged open borders and DREAMERS, so why would he be the highest deporter President ever?
It makes no logical sense.
Here..this is how he fiddled the numbers...
And this is from the LA Times.
www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story,amp.html?client=ms-android-att-aio-us
"..A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data..."
Lastly..I told you about Politifacts blatant partisan biases.
I showed you it is run by Leftist Tampa Bay Times..
The Tampa Bay Times, which produces the PolitFact Truth-o-Meter, has not endorsed a single Republican candidate this century for any of the three most important positions on the Florida election ballot. Accordingly, the Times scores a ?Pants on Fire? for its lack of objectivity, according to an extensive analysis by Media Trackers Florida.
PolitiFact?s creator and national editor, Bill Adair, is the Washington Bureau Chief for the Tampa Bay Times.
Furthermore...Their pants on fire are so tilted, it's embarrassing to call themselves truth seekers.
According to the Media Trackers analysis, PolitiFact Florida issued its derisive ?Pants on Fire? ruling against 27 individuals. Of those 27 individuals, 22 are Republicans, three are Independents or individuals with no clear party affiliation, and only two are Democrats.
http://mediatrackers.org/florida/20...-times-scores-pants-on-fire-for-partisan-bias
Bliss
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Could you be anymore idiotic.
I don't care if its South American, Russian, Greek, Middle Eastern, Irish, Indian or Chinese...and have told you this, they all need to go to the back of the line. If you can then pass muster and can be accomodated, you get approved. So again miss me with your go to a White country bull.
All you know is to call people racists for calling out illegal immigration. along with your deflections, strawmen arguments and waterever else you can throw in.
Look at your BULLSHIT logic with your answer.."Be thankful that they bring wages down so stuff is cheaper."
Are you nuts? Let me know when you open your Plantation so I can protest it.
You will never admit illegal immigration impacts the poor and disenfranchised more than any other group, you just want to sit on your politically correct high horse and ignore the bursting fiscal and societal burden that taxpaying Americans have been forced to shoulder.