Mass shooting at Country Music Festival in Las Vegas (50+ dead, 500+ injured)

Beasty said:
Why is this a political debate? Is Nevada not free to make their own stricter gun laws like NY did?? Are they not adults capable of making that decision for themselves?
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LOL. No matter what, adults are going to decide whether or not a state like Nevada creates stricter gun laws. It's just a matter of whether or not it's done on a federal or local level.

IMO this all comes down to a society's cultural values. Most gun laws are weak anyway and most guns aren't registered. Guns hold a strange position in the mindset and value system of many Americans that's IMO warped.

I thought it was a simple ask to get military style assault rifles banned and registration and background checks for all gun purchases. We can't even get this basic shit done.
The NRA has run serious game on the American public, all at the direction of the gun manufacturing lobby.
We simply won't get anything done with gun regulation until conservatives and gun owners decide something should be done.
 
andreboba said:
LOL. No matter what, adults are going to decide whether or not a state like Nevada creates stricter gun laws. It's just a matter of whether or not it's done on a federal or local level.

IMO this all comes down to a society's cultural values. Most gun laws are weak anyway and most guns aren't registered. Guns hold a strange position in the mindset and value system of many Americans that's IMO warped.

I thought it was a simple ask to get military style assault rifles banned and registration and background checks for all gun purchases. We can't even get this basic shit done.
The NRA has run serious game on the American public, all at the direction of the gun manufacturing lobby.
We simply won't get anything done with gun regulation until conservatives and gun owners decide something should be done.
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What if you loose all your state rights? Would that be ok just because some adults took it from you? Why should someone that lives on another coast make that decision for them half of which probably haven't even been to Nevada.

People are going to stay divided on this issue so the solution is quite simple.
The solution to political problems are always easy. The only issue is that a solution leaves nothing to argue about, and we know people can't have that.
 
andreboba said:
LOL. No matter what, adults are going to decide whether or not a state like Nevada creates stricter gun laws. It's just a matter of whether or not it's done on a federal or local level.

IMO this all comes down to a society's cultural values. Most gun laws are weak anyway and most guns aren't registered. Guns hold a strange position in the mindset and value system of many Americans that's IMO warped.

I thought it was a simple ask to get military style assault rifles banned and registration and background checks for all gun purchases. We can't even get this basic shit done.
The NRA has run serious game on the American public, all at the direction of the gun manufacturing lobby.
We simply won't get anything done with gun regulation until conservatives and gun owners decide something should be done.
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Simple things no longer become simple when politics are involved. People choose sides and are willing to trade in common sense for the good of their party. Human decency solve simple problems, humans under political bias cannot.
 
I think the Feds should provide basic rules guidelines and all states should make sure they're in compliance, but individual states can work out the details for what's best for their jurisdictions.

The whole argument over states' rights is a carryover from the the Civil war.
There's only one 'right' states in the antebellum South ever wanted guaranteed without federal interference.

I don't hear about these types of issues being so important in other countries.
 
andreboba said:
I think the Feds should provide basic rules guidelines and all states should make sure they're in compliance, but individual states can work out the details for what's best for their jurisdictions.

The whole argument over states' rights is a carryover from the the Civil war.
There's only one 'right' states in the antebellum South ever wanted guaranteed without federal interference.

I don't hear about these types of issues being so important in other countries.
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Its not the only state right issue, and we are not even talking about a southern state here. How about marijuana, gay marriage, and prostitution among others?
 
ColiBreh1 said:
The excuse I've seen often today not to call this terorrism, is that terorrism is supposed to be politically motivated.
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Wait then how is Dylan Roof isn't considered a terrorist or tried for terrorism. His motive was to start a race riot.
This is why more and more I'm just disengaging from all this horseshit.
They move the goal post at their leisure. Truth doesn't exist
 
Beasty said:
Its not the only state right issue, and we are not even talking about a southern state here. How about medical marijuana, gay marriage, and prostitution among others?
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Something like gay marriage shoudl IMO be guaranteed and protected by the federal government.
But hoeing and medical marijuana should be regulated on the state level.

I'm not against states' rights, just that historically when people talk about states' rights it's always been code for something else.
 
Fat Dotard wants to impeade on the rights of states that voted for legalization of Marijuana.

How do you feel about that??
 
andreboba said:
Something like gay marriage shoudl IMO be guaranteed and protected by the federal government.
But hoeing and medical marijuana should be regulated on the state level.

I'm not against states' rights, just that historically when people talk about states' rights it's always been code for something else.
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Not code this time brotha. The only code I use is for machines.
 
BTW gay marriage is legal in Florida. For those that are still in disbelief that FL is purple, the state matters in presidential elections.
 
andreboba said:
LOL. No matter what, adults are going to decide whether or not a state like Nevada creates stricter gun laws. It's just a matter of whether or not it's done on a federal or local level.

IMO this all comes down to a society's cultural values. Most gun laws are weak anyway and most guns aren't registered. Guns hold a strange position in the mindset and value system of many Americans that's IMO warped.

I thought it was a simple ask to get military style assault rifles banned and registration and background checks for all gun purchases. We can't even get this basic shit done.
The NRA has run serious game on the American public, all at the direction of the gun manufacturing lobby.
We simply won't get anything done with gun regulation until conservatives and gun owners decide something should be done.
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The NRA supports mentally ill people to get weapons. That is scary.
 
Soulthinker said:
The NRA supports mentally ill people to get weapons. That is scary.
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No one wants to mention the mentally ill because that would require acknowledging their existence and it would draw attention to the fact that no one gives a fuck about them period.
 
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This prick..
  • His dead body was discovered by police in a room at the Mandalay Bay Resort after he took his own life, with 'over 10 rifles' discovered on the scene

  • Paddock, 64, lived just 90 minutes outside Las Vegas in the city of Mesquite, where he bough a home in a retirement community back in 2015

  • The retired accountant and multimillionaire lived at the $400,000 property with girlfriend Marilou Danley, 62, who is currently in the Philippines

  • Paddock had hunting and fishing licenses as well as his pilot's license, and worked at Lockheed Martin as an auditor for three years in the late 1980s

  • He had no criminal record in the state of Nevada and officials said at a press conference early Monday that they are still looking into his possible motive

  • Paddock's father was a serial bank robber who was 'diagnosed as psychopathic' and spent eight years on the FBI Most Wanted list after escaping prison
I think he wanted to die and take a whole bunch of people with him. I'm reading he was political on his FB, but not IRL.

They have started to release photos of the deceased..
 
What to do if faced with an active shooter ( from a tactical expert)

AVOID: Whether in an indoor or outdoor setting, move away from the attacker as quickly as possible

DENY: Lock and/or barricade yourself in a room away from the shooter, turn off the lights and silence phones; the shooter is unlikely to spend much time trying to gain entry and will move on

DEFEND: Identify anything that can be used as a weapon and bring the fight to the shooter; if one person attempts to take on the attacker, others are likely to join in

If faced with an active shooter who is firing from a height, try to find anything to provide 'hard cover ballistic protection' and put vehicles or other barriers - and as much distance as possible - between the shooter and yourself

Learn to identify what gunshots sound like so you will react quickly and immediately put your survival plan into action

Rather than play dead, actively move away, try to barricade yourself or fight

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( l've read of people playing dead in the Orlando massacre and survived as a result)
 
He was batshit crazy and evil, evil to the core..

Vegas Mass killer gunman took SIXTEEN guns and thousands of bullets in TEN bags into his Mandalay Bay sniper's nest, where he set up two rifles with scopes on tripods
        • He'd smashed two windows of his corner suite to create a kill box at the Route 91 Harvest music festival below



      • He also had 26 other guns, as well as explosives and as-yet-undetermined electronic devices, at his home
 
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