BM/WW IR sightings on TV

[ColiBreh1]

What privilege and what entitlement?

That's a long complicated answer bruh. Basically I think everyone has blindspots, and we're no exception.

I'm not gonna go find quotes to cut and paste, but I don't wanna make a claim and not back it up either. So basically I think, among other things, that we do have male privilege even if we don't have white male privilege.

Here's a quick link I just found on Google. But I haven't read the whole thing, so I'm not 100% cosigning at this point.
https://projecthumanities.asu.edu/content/black-male-privilege-checklist

On a slightly different note, I think we too often make the kinds of blanket statements about black women that we decry others for making about us ("but I'm not talking about all of them, just the ignorant ones!").

Now this isn't all of us, and this definitely isn't all the time. I guess I mostly mean to say that people should always remember that they're not perfect, especially when pointing out others' imperfections (even when others' imperfections are heinous and inexcusable)

@qaz1 I can't believe you posted that list. I saw that list a few years ago & it was complete garbage. You can tell the person who wrote that list is 1 of these online BM-hating feminists. There is NO SUCH THING as "Black Male Privilege". Whatever privilege BM have is just regular-ass "Male privilege". What privilege do BM have that is unique to the black community?

Funny you posted the list because I was on a podcast where we went through most of the assertions and found a lot if not most to be false.
Black men do not I repeat do not have privilege within our community in this day in age. Maybe at some point in the past or in majority black countries but here in the western world in particular the US its simply not true. By every material metric from higher education to corporate employment to incarceration to credit to home ownership etc we our outpaced by our women. Why you may ask? Because black are narratively and systematically considered more dangerous so we are policied more which translates into higher arrest rates longer incarceration times which keeps a lot of us out of the work force and school because you can't student loans with certain conviction records ie drugs and black men are the ones constantly being arrested and convicted for bogus drug charges, charges that never seem to interrupt the lives of white dudes doing the same thing. We constantly uplift our girls far more than our men even to the point a black man wins the presidency but the narrative is his wife runs the show.
Outside of sports nearly all the assertions on that list are easily challenged and honestly don't effect our everyday lives. It's like saying women get more help in a shoe store than men so they must have some type of privilege over us.

What podcast was that?

 

[The Dark King]

@qaz1 I can't believe you posted that list. I saw that list a few years ago & it was complete garbage. You can tell the person who wrote that list is 1 of these online BM-hating feminists. There is NO SUCH THING as "Black Male Privilege". Whatever privilege BM have is just regular-ass "Male privilege". What privilege do BM have that is unique to the black community?


What podcast was that?

One of my many start and stop projects lol.
I'll post it on here for you guys when I get a chance.

The article was written by a guy.
Actually I'll even say we don't even have male privilege in this country. At times we may have size privilege but that's it.
Privilege means access the benefit of the doubt an larger system willing to protect you we have none of that.

 

[darkcurry]

The "Black Male Privilege" myth is derived from stereotypes. Something that people especially in this country do a lot. They see a black man and there that is able to do this or get away with that and think that is something that happens to most black men. For an example they like to use OJ and R. Kelly as examples of this myth. But no evidence backs up that there have been NUMEROUS of times black men have gotten away with CRIMES especially against white people that is on par with our counterparts.

In fact with the mass incarcerations it proves the saying that black men have no laws and rules that anybody is bound to respect.

 

[darkcurry]

I just watched the preview and read the synopsis for the next episode. I don't see anything at all about either guy.

The Lady of Larkspur Lane synopsis:
While Nancy and the Drew Crew follow up on the latest Lucy Sable lead, they also work to uncover who tried to kill Ryan, leading them to a starting revelation.

The picture I put up was from a website with a longer synopsis but all three of them are on this particular case together.

 

[darkcurry]

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Stills from series finale of The Good Place

This show is narratively insane and I have no idea how they intend to end it, but the trajectory of this IR relationship is one of the cores of the show.

There might be a ton to be disappointed about with how IR relationships are depicted and disposed of in film and tv, but The Good Place is an absolute standout in terms of how it handled the typical nerd-boy meets hot-chick format and really allowed for the brother to be both a nerd and a leading man.

This is going to be a great thursday night. Will go down as one of the best comedies on TV. I'm glad it was well written to have one of the best comedies on TV ALSO be an IR Love story.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

That's a long complicated answer bruh. Basically I think everyone has blindspots, and we're no exception.

I'm not gonna go find quotes to cut and paste, but I don't wanna make a claim and not back it up either. So basically I think, among other things, that we do have male privilege even if we don't have white male privilege.

Here's a quick link I just found on Google. But I haven't read the whole thing, so I'm not 100% cosigning at this point.
https://projecthumanities.asu.edu/content/black-male-privilege-checklist

On a slightly different note, I think we too often make the kinds of blanket statements about black women that we decry others for making about us ("but I'm not talking about all of them, just the ignorant ones!").

Now this isn't all of us, and this definitely isn't all the time. I guess I mostly mean to say that people should always remember that they're not perfect, especially when pointing out others' imperfections (even when others' imperfections are heinous and inexcusable)

I have seen that feminist generated checklist. It’s full of shit. But here is the reality for black people and privilege. Black people do not and cannot of Institutionalized privilege. What we have is “conditional privilege”. You have to speak a certain way, go to the right schools, dress a certain way, conduct yourself a certain way, etc. There are articles elaborating the privileges of black women (written by black women) that elaborate their ability to get belligerent with the police without getting gunned down, or their custody of children etc. But, the reality is that if you don’t toe the line, ant perceived privileges can be taken away. Thus, the difference between institutionalized privilege and conditional.

Checklists like that are made by tumblr feminists and weirdos on certain forums that we will not name. They are generated by angry 20somethings that lack critical thinking and the intersectionality that they claim to have.

Also, 90% of that checklist doesn’t apply to anything beyond 2010. It provides zero sources to the claims made in that list beyond the NAACP directors, and those organizations haven’t been relevant to the black community for years.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/10.2979/spectrum.6.2.02.pdf?seq=1

 

[The Dark King]

I have seen that feminist generated checklist. It’s full of shit. But here is the reality for black people and privilege. Black people do not and cannot of Institutionalized privilege. What we have is “conditional privilege”. You have to speak a certain way, go to the right schools, dress a certain way, conduct yourself a certain way, etc. There are articles elaborating the privileges of black women (written by black women) that elaborate their ability to get belligerent with the police without getting gunned down, or their custody of children etc. But, the reality is that if you don’t toe the line, ant perceived privileges can be taken away. Thus, the difference between institutionalized privilege and conditional.

Checklists like that are made by tumblr feminists and weirdos on certain forums that we will not name. They are generated by angry 20somethings that lack critical thinking and the intersectionality that they claim to have.

Also, 90% of that checklist doesn’t apply to anything beyond 2010. It provides zero sources to the claims made in that list beyond the NAACP directors, and those organizations haven’t been relevant to the black community for years.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/10.2979/spectrum.6.2.02.pdf?seq=1

Well said

 

[qaz1]

Funny you posted the list because I was on a podcast where we went through most of the assertions and found a lot if not most to be false.
Black men do not I repeat do not have privilege within our community in this day in age. Maybe at some point in the past or in majority black countries but here in the western world in particular the US its simply not true. By every material metric from higher education to corporate employment to incarceration to credit to home ownership etc we our outpaced by our women. Why you may ask? Because black are narratively and systematically considered more dangerous so we are policied more which translates into higher arrest rates longer incarceration times which keeps a lot of us out of the work force and school because you can't student loans with certain conviction records ie drugs and black men are the ones constantly being arrested and convicted for bogus drug charges, charges that never seem to interrupt the lives of white dudes doing the same thing. We constantly uplift our girls far more than our men even to the point a black man wins the presidency but the narrative is his wife runs the show.
Outside of sports nearly all the assertions on that list are easily challenged and honestly don't effect our everyday lives. It's like saying women get more help in a shoe store than men so they must have some type of privilege over us.

@qaz1 I can't believe you posted that list. I saw that list a few years ago & it was complete garbage. You can tell the person who wrote that list is 1 of these online BM-hating feminists. There is NO SUCH THING as "Black Male Privilege". Whatever privilege BM have is just regular-ass "Male privilege". What privilege do BM have that is unique to the black community?


What podcast was that?

One of my many start and stop projects lol.
I'll post it on here for you guys when I get a chance.

The article was written by a guy.
Actually I'll even say we don't even have male privilege in this country. At times we may have size privilege but that's it.
Privilege means access the benefit of the doubt an larger system willing to protect you we have none of that.

The "Black Male Privilege" myth is derived from stereotypes. Something that people especially in this country do a lot. They see a black man and there that is able to do this or get away with that and think that is something that happens to most black men. For an example they like to use OJ and R. Kelly as examples of this myth. But no evidence backs up that there have been NUMEROUS of times black men have gotten away with CRIMES especially against white people that is on par with our counterparts.

In fact with the mass incarcerations it proves the saying that black men have no laws and rules that anybody is bound to respect.

I have seen that feminist generated checklist. It’s full of shit. But here is the reality for black people and privilege. Black people do not and cannot of Institutionalized privilege. What we have is “conditional privilege”. You have to speak a certain way, go to the right schools, dress a certain way, conduct yourself a certain way, etc. There are articles elaborating the privileges of black women (written by black women) that elaborate their ability to get belligerent with the police without getting gunned down, or their custody of children etc. But, the reality is that if you don’t toe the line, ant perceived privileges can be taken away. Thus, the difference between institutionalized privilege and conditional.

Checklists like that are made by tumblr feminists and weirdos on certain forums that we will not name. They are generated by angry 20somethings that lack critical thinking and the intersectionality that they claim to have.

Also, 90% of that checklist doesn’t apply to anything beyond 2010. It provides zero sources to the claims made in that list beyond the NAACP directors, and those organizations haven’t been relevant to the black community for years.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/10.2979/spectrum.6.2.02.pdf?seq=1

Like I said, I didn't even read that list before I posted it. I just like to have solid backup for any of my positions, and I got lazy after a long day. That's on me.

Thanks to you all for explaining your positions calmly and logically. I think we mostly agree. Black men are certainly disadvantaged in society. And one of the worst things about privilege is how it cajoles the oppressed into believing its lies. I think this is the root of the problems y'all see with some black women (correct me if I'm wrong).

But I also do believe being a male comes with certain privilege, even if you're not a *white* male. By that I mean there are certain problem that we generally get to avoid (when's the last time you worried about your makeup looking well done? or even the slightest possibility of being raped?).

Perhaps that privilege doesn't really overlap with the concerns most discussed here though. I won't pretend I have all the answers or am always the most eloquent. At all. Lol

 

[qaz1]

The picture I put up was from a website with a longer synopsis but all three of them are on this particular case together.

Okay got it. Feel free to post a link to that if it's convenient. I'll probably wait for your recap before I consider watching this week's episode though lol

 

[Young Herschel]

Okay the last time somebody here teased Nancy maybe pursuing Nick I was disappointed when I watched the episode. But this looks on point from screen shots alone lol. I'll have to give this one a look.

But for the record I still don't like love triangles, even when a black guy is in the middle.

From the very jump of the series . . . Nancy was doing a lot more than "maybe pursuing Nick" lol. I still don't feel anything foreshadowing a romance for Nick and George after watching that last episode but I will stay hopeful as George is gorgeous and good to go with her trademark pigtails and colored skirts

In every phase and decade of my life thru today . . . George would get it!!

 

[Young Herschel]

You haven't been watching the entire season or paying attention? Do you remember when he saved her in the episode before this one? Do you remember their moment at the end before she let him leave the house? In this last episode do you remember the moment they had at the diner when he told her about her best and the look he got out of her? Do you remember her narration at the end about pushing people away?


Have you seen the previews and read the synopsis of next week's episode "The Lady Of Larkspur Lane"?

It's the little things that they are building up that you have to catch and pay attention to. If you ever heard or read about Nancy Drew growing up you would know that Ned is the love interest of Nancy. In the books, the movies, the other tv show that used to be on, the cartoon, everything. lol. So it would be out of left field if they were scratching them off completely.

I don't like playing the guessing game like this until the season finale hits. I learned my lesson with EUPHORIA. lol. So I will let this play out and enjoy the rest of the season. The show is pretty good and that's saying a lot for a CW show.

Also George is pretty awesome and pretty character. I'm going to assume you haven't been watching to put her on the side like that.

Co-sign. The show is actually VERY GOOD and has demonstrated that its not afraid to break TV barriers by putting a black man in an illicit position with the female lead during the series premiere . . . in the second scene and more to the point it was not just a one and done but has the makings of a long-term on again, off again lust/love affair.

 

[Young Herschel]

On Nancy Drew without giving away too much they(for now) had Nancy give Owen the final rejection and it looks like Nick is about to be at the center of two women's affection.

George and Nancy

George is super cute and its such a rare dynamic for YA television I just don't see how anyone can dismiss the potential of Nick and George. Nancy is nice and I appreciate the value of a Blue-eyed Redhead (just had my first one this Friday from San Fran, CA) but the sex appeal of George is undeniable to me when I picture all the fun things and episodes she and Nick could share!!

 

[qaz1]

From the very jump of the series . . . Nancy was doing a lot more than "maybe pursuing Nick" lol. I still don't feel anything foreshadowing a romance for Nick and George after watching that last episode but I will stay hopeful as George is gorgeous and good to go with her trademark pigtails and colored skirts

In every phase and decade of my life thru today . . . George would get it!!

I haven't caught every episode, so you've seen more than I've seen. But I haven't seen Nancy pursue Nick since the breakup. But I've definitely seen George giving him looks. Time will tell.

 

[qaz1]

Co-sign. The show is actually VERY GOOD and has demonstrated that its not afraid to break TV barriers by putting a black man in an illicit position with the female lead during the series premiere . . . in the second scene and more to the point it was not just a one and done but has the makings of a long-term on again, off again lust/love affair.

You just described Dynasty lol

 

[qaz1]

HOLD UP!!! ~

In what universe is this SPECTABULOUS young lady a concession prize?

It would be the ultra-rare Afro-Asian IR sequence once teased all too briefly by Fox's "Ally McBeal" then fulfilled by Netflix for Lucy Liu and Taye Diggs once they became has beens 17 years later

I am not nor would I ever even think about turning my nose up at this ultimate angel of Eastern delights:

Nick needs put those pigtails of George to use while asserting himself in a romantic capacity ala Nat Turnher

Lol you came correct with the photos!

When I called George a consolation, I didn't mean she was less attractive. I meant she isn't the lead. I think that means something. That's why I mentioned Finn and Rey. But you know me, always about the messaging lol.

And since when is there a Nat Turner on the show??? They're giving CW characters old slave names now lol? At least they picked a rebel lol

 

[meowkittenmeow]

Like I said, I didn't even read that list before I posted it. I just like to have solid backup for any of my positions, and I got lazy after a long day. That's on me.

Thanks to you all for explaining your positions calmly and logically. I think we mostly agree. Black men are certainly disadvantaged in society. And one of the worst things about privilege is how it cajoles the oppressed into believing its lies. I think this is the root of the problems y'all see with some black women (correct me if I'm wrong).

But I also do believe being a male comes with certain privilege, even if you're not a *white* male. By that I mean there are certain problem that we generally get to avoid (when's the last time you worried about your makeup looking well done? or even the slightest possibility of being raped?).

Perhaps that privilege doesn't really overlap with the concerns most discussed here though. I won't pretend I have all the answers or am always the most eloquent. At all. Lol

Makeup? Nope, haven’t had to worry about that. Black men do, however, have to dress a certain way, look a certain way, be a certain height, so as not to make women scared or call the police on us, so there is that. Worried about rape? July 2008 while on leave from Iraq when I was raped by a black woman was the first time I generally worried about rape (The worst part was having to go back and finish the tour as a leader and act like nothing happened). PTSD, and knowing how predatory women can be makes me worry about it fairly often. The black men that are survivors, like me, have similar concerns. But, go off, I guess.

 

[qaz1]

Makeup? Nope, haven’t had to worry about that. Black men do, however, have to dress a certain way, look a certain way, be a certain height, so as not to make women scared or call the police on us, so there is that. Worried about rape? July 2008 while on leave from Iraq when I was raped by a black woman was the first time I generally worried about rape (The worst part was having to go back and finish the tour as a leader and act like nothing happened). PTSD, and knowing how predatory women can be makes me worry about it fairly often. The black men that are survivors, like me, have similar concerns. But, go off, I guess.

Maybe it would've helped if I'd made it clear that I think most groups have some sort of privilege (even if it's scant and trivial). The reason males and whites have theirs brought up most often is because they're the most prevalent, powerful, and dangerous.

And perhaps I didn't use the best examples of male privilege. But I stand by my position. Also for the record, what that person did to you was deplorable. But I clearly don't need me to tell you that.

 

[meowkittenmeow]

Maybe it would've helped if I'd made it clear that I think most groups have some sort of privilege (even if it's scant and trivial). The reason males and whites have theirs brought up most often is because they're the most prevalent, powerful, and dangerous.

And perhaps I didn't use the best examples of male privilege. But I stand by my position. Also for the record, what that person did to you was deplorable. But I clearly don't need me to tell you that.

You asked a question, I answered it. I understand your position and respectfully disagree, as there are far to many examples, studies, and statistics that refute your stance. No worries, and enjoy your evening.

 

[qaz1]

You asked a question, I answered it. I understand your position and respectfully disagree, as there are far to many examples, studies, and statistics that refute your stance. No worries, and enjoy your evening.

Just so I'm clear, your position is that black men have no privilege of any kind at (and I'm not referring specifically to any b"lack male privilege")?

If so, you're right. We disagree.

 

[The Dark King]

Like I said, I didn't even read that list before I posted it. I just like to have solid backup for any of my positions, and I got lazy after a long day. That's on me.

Thanks to you all for explaining your positions calmly and logically. I think we mostly agree. Black men are certainly disadvantaged in society. And one of the worst things about privilege is how it cajoles the oppressed into believing its lies. I think this is the root of the problems y'all see with some black women (correct me if I'm wrong).

But I also do believe being a male comes with certain privilege, even if you're not a *white* male. By that I mean there are certain problem that we generally get to avoid (when's the last time you worried about your makeup looking well done? or even the slightest possibility of being raped?).

Perhaps that privilege doesn't really overlap with the concerns most discussed here though. I won't pretend I have all the answers or am always the most eloquent. At all. Lol

Well from what I've been told make up is a personal thing its about doing it so they feel good and would exist without men. Ok so rape is an area where we as men don't have to think about it as much but I wonder if we take into account the amount of black boys and men who deal with it because they're targets for incarceration far more than other people?