Aubrey O'Day Hitler?

I guess no one heard her say that she didn't condone what the man did.

To deny the fact it took a certain level of 'brilliance,' to go from a family that was nothing, to the supreme leader of a modern-day superpower, is absurd. That would really make me question a person's sense of judgment and grasp on reality.
 
I don´t realy understand what she is saying, sound shocking to me.

Just one question, what condone does mean here in this context?
 
pettyofficerj said:
I guess no one heard her say that she didn't condone what the man did.

To deny the fact it took a certain level of 'brilliance,' to go from a family that was nothing, to the supreme leader of a modern-day superpower, is absurd. That would really make me question a person's sense of judgment and grasp on reality.
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And notice how Hannity is so quick to accuse Fidel Castro of being a murder and human rights violator when the US has placed and given diplomatic recognition to people like the Shah of Iran, Pinochet and Mobutu who were just as bad if not worst than Fidel Castro. They can't be friends with Castro, but are friends with Saudi Arabia? Hmmm...if Castro had not chosen to protect US interests in Cuba instead of nationalizing the foreign businesses there, I am sure he would have been praised just like Mobutu :)

Hitler was a great leader, that's undeniable. But his ideals were stupid and would have destroyed humanity. However regardless of the context, it's just not a popular or wise thing to say on television that "Hitler was brilliant".
 
pettyofficerj said:
I guess no one heard her say that she didn't condone what the man did.

To deny the fact it took a certain level of 'brilliance,' to go from a family that was nothing, to the supreme leader of a modern-day superpower, is absurd. That would really make me question a person's sense of judgment and grasp on reality.
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As a history minor in my undergrad, I disagree Petty, it depends on how one defines of brilliance. Here is a commonly held definition: Brilliance - "distinguished by unusual mental keenness or alertness". I can argue that Hitler falls FAR short of this definition using his massive failures (art school, military service, numerous jobs before politics, personal relationships, grip on reality, ect.) on multiple fronts as evidence.

What I think cannot be denied is that he had an ability to recognize an opportunity coming out of the treaty of Versailles, and the economic devastation it caused to Germany, to whip up nationalistic fervor and had the rhetorical flair and ambition through straight thugery and violence to seize control, killing and destroying lives along the way. Perhaps it is just semantics, I would argue that is not "brilliance", but genocidal on multiple fronts, (remember towards the end he wanted to flood Berlin and kill all the Germans for "failing" him) self aggrandizing, and psychopathic behavior.

History shows us that numerous straight BUFFOONS can rise to power of major countries given the right set of circumstances, and given they are possessed of certain qualities. He was an excellent and ruthless politician, but brilliant, no way, the man botched numerous military campaigns and industrial opportunities. The many military, scientific and industrial advances that came out of Germany during that time, were entirely due to the brilliance of others (Rommel, Mercedes-Benz, ect.) who he ended up turning on and tried to have killed.

Bottom line, my take is that the pure evil that was Hitler was not brilliance, but a cunning, ruthless, soulless, narcissist....a terrible and vile opportunist who just happened to be at the right place at the right time to exploit a truly desperate people and situation.
 
Nouharel said:
So she said that she don´t agree with Hitler???
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Yes, that is what she was saying, that she does not agree with what he did, but that he was a "brilliant" or very smart person. I vehemently disagree with her that Hitler was brilliant.
 
Machiavel said:
However regardless of the context, it's just not a popular or wise thing to say on television that "Hitler was brilliant".
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This pretty much sums it up.

She should know better.

When "keeping it real" goes wrong.
 
It is scary since she should had picked some other tyrant like Stalin. Hitler to most people was Satan in human form according to media and other minorities.
 
Yeah I think what some people are missing about his reign
is that NAZIS followed him, he converted and inspired people into
being NAZIS!!. How is converting and inspiring people into being racist
stonecold killers a brilliant thing to do.

Then she says she dont condone what he did, but she called what he
did brilliant.... What a dumb girl.:roll:
 
kenny_g said:
Yeah I think what some people are missing about his reign
is that NAZIS followed him, he converted and inspired people into
being NAZIS!!. How is converting and inspiring people into being racist
stonecold killers a brilliant thing to do.

Then she says she dont condone what he did, but she called what he
did brilliant.... What a dumb girl.:roll:
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Exactly! Hitler's legacy is an embarrassment--possibly for eternity to Germany, so I also fail to see how he could be refered to as "brilliant".
 
I put it like this there is a smart way and a dumb way to everything.

For an example the smart way to get your baby to stop crying is
by getting it a bottle, rocking them to sleep....

The dumb way would be MURDERING the baby.
(like you see with some of these fools out here that kill babies,
because he ir she was crying.)

You got the baby to stop crying, but you FUCKING killed
the baby, thats DUMB... Thats an example of what hitler did to gain power.

(sorry for the harsh example but it is hilter we are talking about.)
 
I'm not her #1 fan, but I actually think she is smarter than people expect her to be. The girl was a Poli. Sci major in UC Irvine b4 dropping out to join DK. The only mistake that she made in this situation is airing those statements in national media. I think she made those statements out of inexperience. She should have worded it differently or better yet she should not have said it; that was like a career suicide. Having said that….. her statments stand to be correct. Being a brilliant person doesn't exactly mean being good. Brilliant is not synonymous with kind. She obviously meant brilliant intellectually. Hitler's policies were obviously evil, but he brainwashed his people into thinking they were good. Hitler had to be pretty smart to do what he did or else he would not have been able to get into that position of power. No dumb ass could have pulled off what he did and have taken over as he did. The man was Austrian born and did not become the citizen of Germany until 1932 (I believe that was the year that he became the leader of that country). Hitler convinced a whole nation that Jews were evil and deserved to be wiped out from the face of the earth, and he had many countries behind him. Hitler, on a political level, was a genius and absolutely brilliant. On a military level, however, he was an idiot, both for his war time strategies and annihilation of the Jews. Is Hitler an evil murderer? Yes. Is Hitler the sheppard of the devil? Yes. Is Hitler burning in hell right now? Yes. Is he the most evil man in history? Yes. BUT that doesn't take away the fact that he had a brilliant mind which he unfortunately used to orchestrate one of the most cruel wars in mankind history. It does take some amount of brilliance to be able to lead mass amounts of people to commit atrocious acts they otherwise wouldn't think about.

The whole segment of this Fox interview is a set up by Sean Hannity. They're just trying to make her look stupid. They are taking few words out of a sentence and try to make it sound like she is saying something that she's not. They're intentionally missing the point, which is what they always do.
Fox news need to stop 'gasping for air' and listen to what people are actually saying. Hannity asked her if she thought the men were intelligent. He didn't ask her if they were right to do what they did. She said she didn't condone their actions but on an intellectual level... they were smart men. The only people who interpret her answers differently are the people who don’t take a few minutes to think about what she is saying.
 
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green zorro said:
Brilliant is not synonymous with kind. She obviously meant brilliant intellectually. Hitler's policies were obviously evil, but he brainwashed his people into thinking they were good. Hitler had to be pretty smart to do what he did or else he would not have been able to get into that position of power. No dumb ass could have pulled off what he did and have taken over as he did.

GZ, I think you are overlooking the fact that Germany at the time Hitler came to power was in absolute chaos financially, and were being used as a whipping boy politically by other countries for their role in WW1. Hitler rose to power by promising a better future and promising to restore Germany to glory. This is an age old strategy, that numerous thug, gangster, criminal (Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini ect.) dictators used to whip up nationalistic fervor and gain political power. There is nothing brilliant about this strategy... terrible economic times + poverty + international humiliation = fertile grounds for brutal tyrants to rise to power. The German people were so desperate for someone to save them that they turned a blind eye to his brutal tactics that were plainly evident from the start. The Jews were simply a great scapegoat and rallying cry for Hitler's sick policies, once again, nothing brilliant about that.

Hitler, on a political level, was a genius and absolutely brilliant.

Can almost agree here, he was a cunning and ruthless political strategist in the beginning, but like all tyrants his empire and the loyalties of even his closest aides crumbled in the end.

BUT that doesn't take away the fact that he had a brilliant mind which he unfortunately used to orchestrate one of the most cruel wars in mankind history. It does take some amount of brilliance to be able to lead mass amounts of people to commit atrocious acts they otherwise wouldn't think about.
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When people are poor, starving and humiliated, they will resort to base animal behavior, they will follow any idiot claiming that they can lead them to better times, one does not have to be particularly brilliant to get such desperate people to follow you. Not to mention that there was always a small but brave resistance within Germany that worked the entire war years to bring down the Nazis, so not everyone was duped.

Hitler was an abject failure at everything he tried in life, hell he did not even meet his own standards of Aryan characteristics, his stated reason for never having children...sick, sick, twisted, broken, thug, nothing more and NOT brilliant. But that is just my opinion.
 
Machiavel said:
Exactly! Hitler's legacy is an embarrassment--possibly for eternity to Germany, so I also fail to see how he could be refered to as "brilliant".
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I think that he was clearly a brilliant rhetorician. Said rhetoric was loathsome and abhorrent, but he was quite good at it. However, I believe that many of his other leadership qualities, his understanding of military tactics in particular, have been grossly overrated. Despite rolling over most of Europe, he made a lot of farcical command decisions against the Allies during World War II. As a result, it should come as no surprise that the most notorious plots to overthrow the Nazi government were all spawned by the regular military leadership.
 
I really don't see how someone could be called "brilliant" after they committed suicide because they were getting their ass kicked in a war that they obviously started.

Sounds like he couldn't handle the pressure.:smt102
 
raocha said:
I think that he was clearly a brilliant rhetorician. Said rhetoric was loathsome and abhorrent, but he was quite good at it. However, I believe that many of his other leadership qualities, his understanding of military tactics in particular, have been grossly overrated. Despite rolling over most of Europe, he made a lot of farcical command decisions against the Allies during World War II. As a result, it should come as no surprise that the most notorious plots to overthrow the Nazi government were all spawned by the regular military leadership.
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What about his decision to invade Russia? :p "Brilliant", was it not? Napoleon failed for the same reason(cold weather), so someone shoud have given Hitler a history lesson and better advices.

Though one could say that we're just arguing semantics here, I still think that the word "brilliant" cannot be used to describe someone like Hitler. He was at best charismatic, very manipulative and a megalomaniac, but by no means brilliant. What is he known for? Oustanding public speaking skills, being responsible for an industry of death and calling the shots of the most organized killing machine the world has ever known? Not my idea of brilliance.

Mozart was brilliant, so was Michael Jackson. Bill Gates is brilliant, so was Alexander Dumas etc.
 
green zorro said:
Hitler's policies were obviously evil, but he brainwashed his people into thinking they were good. Hitler had to be pretty smart to do what he did or else he would not have been able to get into that position of power. No dumb ass could have pulled off what he did and have taken over as he did.
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You dont need to be smart to lead IDIOTS
That goes with the old saying with a twist to it

"If he told you to jump off a bridge, would you do that too."


Murder, racism, prejudice, and everything else he stood for is wrong,
since when doing the wrong thing is considered intelligent.
They did the wrong thing, these were adults they knew better.
They did the wrong thing because someone told them they were
doing the right thing, when does common sense come into play, when
does REAL intelligence comes into play. A smart person would look
at him like he have lost his damn mind, A idiot would follow him.
Again you dont have to be smart to lead idiots.
 
green zorro said:
Hitler's policies were obviously evil, but he brainwashed his people into thinking they were good. Hitler had to be pretty smart to do what he did or else he would not have been able to get into that position of power. Hitler convinced a whole nation that Jews were evil and deserved to be wiped out from the face of the earth, and he had many countries behind him.
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Standing 5'2 and barely litterate, Charles Manson was able to persuade people to kill for him. Would you say that Charles Manson was brilliant? He was able to brainwash his people to think what they were doing was good, no?

Charisma and powers of persuasion aren't necessarily a sign of intellectual brilliance. Hitler was merely another demagogue who used scapegoating as his tactic, so again, not my idea of brilliance and certainly not original.

Hitler, on a political level, was a genius and absolutely brilliant.
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I completely disagree. Being a genius politically would imply that Hitler was a tremendous diplomat and a farseeing statesman and we all know about his lack diplomatic skills and foresight.
 
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