Speaking impolitely about White Men

Okay, so there have been a few threads in the past suggesting that White Women never complain about White Men, and that there's nothing about them that we're grateful not to have to deal with from Black Men.

Well, I was watching Changeling tonight, and I'm thinking that's a load of hooey.

Yes, I know all of us ladies here have Dads and brothers and friends who are White Men that we respect and adore. And frankly, I very rarely get shit from White guys about IR, so I tend to think that if they're not bothering me why bother them. So I rarely bring them up.

But there's no doubt, that when you talk to much older White Women, or watch historical dramas like Iron Jawed Angels, and you learn about how White Men treated our grandmothers, well, frankly, it's nice to look across the room and not see one of their grandsons. I know that's not a pretty thing to say, but fuck it, it's true.

Black Men weren't locking us up for disagreeing with them. They weren't declaring us insane for wanting to vote. They weren't treating us like mindless idiots, children, or broken toys.

There's a feeling of deep safety I keep hearing other White Women in IR talk about with Black Men. I've heard it misinterpreted as the White Women buying into the stereotype of the extra-strong Black Man, but the Women I know who talk about it say that the real reason they feel safe is that they never fear that feeling of entitlement, that idea that it is someone's birthright to just snatch their, or any, Woman right out of her own life.

It also raised another thought for me, that of how White Women & Black Men have similar stories in semi-recent generations. White guy wants to solve an inconvenient female problem, or rush through a case? Get the White Woman declared insane. White guy wants to solve an inconvenient Black Man problem, or rush through a case? Incarcerate an innocent Black Man. Whether it's Jon Burge's victims, or Suffragettes a few generations before, there's that pattern.



So. There's my rant on White Men. No offense to White guys. Honestly, most of the White Men I meet are decent, nonracist, nonbigoted, decent people. Most White Men I meet seem to be running from the mistakes of previous generations with all the energy they can muster, trying to be the exact opposite of "that guy".

But the history's there, and it's true that it's a perk of IR, to be held by a Man that you know has probably never even been tempted to view you as unworthy of a say in your own life, simply because of your gender.

Of course, I'm not saying there are no sexist Black Men. But it's never been a given amongst Black American Men that Women were disposable subjects for ruling and mistreating as one saw fit. That's not something they've ever had to overcome. They didn't have to get past those sorts of ideas, as a group. And they weren't the ones locking Women up, they weren't the ones oppressing Women in the US.

I'm not talking about modern feminism, even. I'm talking old school oppression -by -gender stuff. Like, growing up, my mother was not allowed to speak in a conversation if Men were talking to each other, even if they were her relatives and even if they were younger than her. She was not allowed to discuss politics with Men. She was to obey her doctor. She was to obey nearly every Man she came across, except regarding certain subjects. From the moment they entered this world, Women of her generation were taught that any White Man could pull the rug out from under them at any time.

I figured I'd post this, and then we can link to it every time anyone says there's nothing White Women find distasteful in White Men. Aside, of course, from pink peenies.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Women-Asylum-Voices-Behind-1840-1945/dp/0385474237

 

Historical issues exist with WM and BW, and us, but they are not why I like WW, and WM and BW are cool with me as long as they are not hating on my relationship. It would be great if we didn't have to talk about WM or BW. White men need to keep making beautiful White daughters and Black women make those handsome Black sons.

 

Anyone? I wonder who those anyones could be?

 

Saw that this was a place to vent frustrations about white men safely, so here goes: they walk around with you like they own you, they don't know how to dress, dance, they aren't athletic, can't please a woman, don't take care of their bodies, and sometimes they have questionable hygiene. Whew! I think that is it.... oh yeah, and I also don't like their PINK PENISES!! GROSS!!!

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to chicity again.:smt023

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to chicity again.

 

Sounds like we have an asshole problem not a race problem

 

That's a good way to look at it Andrae. You will find villains and heroes in every race and gender. However from a historical perspective Chi is correct, WM have done more harm collectively in the US than any other demographic. The sense of entitlement was profound in the past, and thankfully it appears to be less so today. But that 'the ends justified the means' attitude led them to do awful things to a lot of people. But despite that it wasn't all WM, like Chi said we have white fathers and grandfathers, and none of mine felt entitled to whatever suited them, thankfully. With each generation we get further away from that.

 

:smt023

 

You can include Europe in there too, much of the suffering started in Europe and while they have tried to right the ship, there still pockets of ignorance and still not that many female CEO's and let's not even get to the point that everything skews to Light skin or White skin, if you know how the Roma are treated.

The Holocaust, The War in Kosovo, Imperialism in South America by the United States and War of Attrition in Vietnam, all White Man's ideas. The entire Neo-Conservative and Neo-Liberal agendas are both powered by thoughts on race if not social status.

 

Those "pink penises" got you here. And most of those WW (some on this board even) who find "pink penises" so "gross" have at least one white child so they must not be too "gross."

If I said I didn't like "black pussy" they'd string me from the nearest tree as a sellout/self-hater and I would be called to account. As many problems as I have with BW the look of their genitals isn't one of them.

Is it white-skin privilege/entitlement that WW get away with saying such things? The same entitlement they accuse WM of having?

Just asking.

 

Saw this as a place to bitch about white male stereotypes, you mean? I'll try to ignore the fact that this post is one huge stereotype, but, well......... Seriously, "sometimes the have questionable hygiene"? Like you've never smelled a stank ass person from any other race with shitty teeth or bad hair. I take it you've never seen a white person play a sport. As if you can't spot any white athletes on ESPN, playing basketball, hockey, lacrosse, etc. And what exactly is taking care of their bodies. Black folks(Hell, Americans, period) have some of the worst eating habits, which is a major factor in "taking care of their bodies". As far as dancing, do you not see how many white(And Asian) dance crews there are out there. Hell, I was just at my white friend's going away party and he was dancing to Rick James like a muthafucka. And I like how you somehow know how every woman's experience is with a white man to make that statement about pleasing. "Walk around like they own you"? You must not get out much. Not even gonna talk about the penis shit.

 

Exactly.
What's discussed here is down to disrespectful men, not white men. I've dated black, white and asian guys and I find white and black men pretty similar in their behaviour, to be perfectly honest with you. Asian guys are the only ones who I would say, as a race, behave noticably differently.

I won't bother commenting on what that ashley person said since every line of her post was just stereotypical BS. And 'pink dicks' really don't look that different from black dicks girls, really. A dick is a dick and it doesn't look cute no matter what colour it is or from which angle you choose to look at it.

 

hmmmmm, yes it does look different...at least to lippy...it is like being attracted to darker skin on the arms...white forearms don't look the same as forearms on a black man...someone else mentioned that we have white children and they have pink dicks...this person must really be crazy in the head to even go down this path...my son is 15 and a child...only a pedophile would even use that as an example....absolutely inappropriate comparison...why am i not surprised at the source...couldn't wait to get just a little bit of bw bashing in...yes, a pink dick got me here but i never ever think about my father's dick...that is just not normal...people who do and think that is normal must also think incest is normal...i love it when people show who they really are...sick bastard:smt078

 

Oh, I completely agree that people shouldn't be using brothers/fathers/children in examples like this. It's one thing when people are disrespecting their own race and the subject of their parents being black/white is brought up but in this context, it's completely inappropriate.
I personally prefer darker skin as well, whether it's on black or latino men or tanned white guys. I think pale women can look very very beautiful but on guys it's not really as attractive. As for penises, of course they all look individually different but from the white guys I've been with (two), neither have had penises that were unattractive just because they were 'pink.' Both were tanned, i've never had a blonde or ginger boyfriend so maybe it is visually less attractive, I don't know from experience!

 

I think he meant because a 'pink dick' was involved in the conception of the white child... basically your son's father had a 'pink dick' and you had sex with him to conceive your son so obviously they don't disgust you that much.

I honestly think that black men's dicks are more physically appealing, as are their faces, skin, hair etc... (all in my opinion). I'm not disgusted by white guy's 'bits' though, just prefer black men overall... including what's down below. I guess it's all part of the package.

But yeah, pointless thread. Why do we have to diss white men and black women? It's soooo fucking boring and makes us look like bitter motherfucks. Besides, like my forum twin said - these traits are not race specific. So yeah, stupid.

 

Karma was not mentioning the pink dicks of your children, but the pink dicks of their fathers. Obvious!

 

Ha, me either. Even in white guys I'm more attracted to tan, dark hair, dark eyes although Ian Somerhalder can make a girl re-think the eye colour thing. Damnnn.

 

Haha yeah, I wouldn't be kicking him or Daniel Craig out of bed just because they might have blonde pubic hair (as gross as that sounds!!)