Speaking impolitely about White Men

well she needs to say that. Chi is smart enough to put in the word some.

 

She did fam

 

In passing I came across something that suggested that in their quest for the vote, suffragettes argued vocally that the white women's vote and numbers could bolster the white majority against future Negro and immigrant incursion.

Chicity, any comment on this?

 

I've read that before. Women's groups ie ww were very vocal during the civil rights movement but most did so in hopes of promoting their feminist agenda but what else is new. Blacks are often used to promote the liberal agenda

 

hmmm.....

 

Don't mention it. You do realize though that those who come on here and claim White Women don't find anything distasteful in White Men are making a specious argument. Black men who are with Black women talk similarly or far worse and more often about Black women than we do. The interpersonal relationships between Black people are not all the same as White people for various reasons. We were all treated differently under the "White male patriarchal domination".

Unfortunately, the disturbed Black women who come on here are a result of this, they think the way White women have been treated by White men is preeminent, glorious and beyond reproach. I touched on this in my Jill Scott argument, even the BW who should no better, think that to be treated as White women are treated is glorious beyond conception. This is part of the psychology Black men have to deal with in regards to the "Black woman problem", not that we don't have our own issues as a result of White male domination which are endlessly bandied about, it's just that this argument is made by women who are damaged in their own right.

The only reason their argument has any traction is because too many BM use the "Black woman problem" as a reason/excuse why they like White women. Though the "BWP" has been real for many BM and has affected their relationship choices, for many of us, Black women could have the best behavior and we would still like White women.

Certainly many White men took on the aspects of the larger culture as we all do, and they used their position to dominate women and non whites. We discuss the current and historical impact of this on a regular basis, White men don't get a pass on this forum in this respect.

WM are not as belligerently open in there dislike of IR as Black women have become and many of these so called BW bashing threads started because of some BW troll, or something BW said something about us and IR in the media. If more White trolls came on here, you would see some so called WM bashing.

White male trolls do hit you up on IM, as i found out, beware!

 

Yes, in fact there's a number of instances where racism was blatantly a part of the Women's rights movements.

For instance, even in the movie I mentioned at the start -- Iron Jawed Angels -- it points out how some Suffragettes refused to allow Black Women to be a part of the movement, for fear that it would hurt their chances in the South.

I'm disgusted by that, and by the tendency of oppressed groups to take any opportunity to oppress each other as a means of getting ahead. Fighting over crumbs while ignoring the cake.

Specifically, I'm particularly disgusted by the incidents where White Women engaged in or supported racism in pursuit of their own equality. It's shameful, and needs to be remembered so it is not repeated.

 

I agree with your last sentence, but would quibble with the second. Specifically "most". I think that by the time of the civil rights movement, most of the WW's groups involved were not so much pushing their own agenda but trying to remain consistent in their idealism. Moreover, on an individual level, most of the older WW I've talked to were simply shocked and horrified by the images they were seeing in Life magazine every week, and responding with gut instinct. The stories of WW who offered Black Men rides during the bus boycotts (and sometimes were killed for it), for instance, were examples of that.

In recent times, I think White feminist groups are particularly guilty of exploiting Black suffering to push their own causes. They're also very guilty of still focusing to closely on the needs of middle to upper class White Women alone, and also seem to fail pretty consistently when considering cultural differences. Which is not to say I'm not a feminist, I believe I am, but I've got eyes and can see where many feminist groups and even individual feminists have substantial flaws.

 

You are really ridiculously smart. I love reading your posts.

I see your point, and you're probably right that instead of pandering to the nonsense of these trolls we should recognize that not everything has to parallel in every race. You're also dead on correct about the difference between the way the two groups address IR, and the reasons for why certain things get discussed here.

I just had a real moment watching the movie with my husband, where I had to be honest and admit that maybe there's a "perk" there to IR. Not a reason for it, not anything like that, but admittedly, it felt like a perk. You don't take the job just because it's got casual Fridays, but it's nice to wear flip flops all the same. I realize I'm now answering your carefully thought out post with something vaguely silly, but I'm actually having trouble organizing it out so I hope I'm being clear.

You're probably right that I could have left the troll references out, particularly because the correct answer isn't "sure WW talk about WM! Lookey here!", but "that's a completely irrelevant red herring". But racial comparisons happen a lot in discussions of IR, and it felt worthy to point out what to me was a glaring one, in case anyone did think WW thought that WM were somehow above reproach in all areas, or anything.

I dunno. You're probably right. lol.

 

I understand you. Black men, AA in particular, have a lot of great qualities irrespective of White men and in contrast to them. You express many of the same things Black women do when they discuss there love for Black men. It's too bad many can't recognize that, be happy for you, and see that as an affirmation of the love Black people can give. Many of us are not there as Black people to recognize our cultural gifts as gifts, much less as sharable gifts, even more to the fact we all came out of Africa. But again, this pain is rooted in White male domination, no doubt.

The "Black Woman problem" and "White men problem" are usually made here in the proper context and I expect that to continue. Black women aren't accused of the same things White men are in the same way, and vice verse. That BW trolls would look for the same just speaks to there :smt101
Affirmation of WW, is not always denouncement of BW, you WW can see for yourself the behavior of some BW without our input, the same goes for WM, though that should never stop us, who might see the race situation better than the rest, from commenting on them respectively!!!

 

That's because bw have the luxury of being a double minority and therefore aren't held accountable for what they say. I also think that when bw speak out against IR they are coming from a place of hurt. Not to say their arguements aren't tired but I get it but the wm arguements against IR usually comes from a place of superiority whixh is another reason why they aren't too vocal about it.

 

No doubt, none of us know what it's like to be a Black woman, doesn't mean their daggers still don't sting.

 

Really? At this point I expect. Just like everytime I have a blonde girl in my car I always get pulled over. Its part of dating interracially to me. It shouldn't happen but it does. Besides the baseless rantings of wounded people don't even bother me anymore because it says way more about them than it does about me.

 

Right. When you produce evidence that I've pandered to Karma's whims and kissed his ass all over the forum, I'll waste my time digging up your previous comments about pink dicks.

Your histrionic responses in this thread have been ridiculous, and your accusation of pedophilia was absurd. I'm done here.

 

no i think you are a little confused raocha...i told you to prove it or shut the fuck up...you can't prove anything...you got nothing...nadda...you are just a bullshit pandering kiss ass poster...thinking you actually know something...smdh...wasting my time on your stupid ass

anytime anyone starts talking about dicks and children in the same sentence as far as i am concerned they just put a target on themselves...don't even go there with me...don't you have some pandering to do...obviously nothing you say has any weight because you can't back up it...i have NEVER bashed wm on this forum other than and i will say it again just to be clear...laughing about pink dicks...it is a running joke on the forum for years...but that is as far as it goes...ww here don't waste our time worrying about wm...it's not productive! as far as i am concerned bm can spin their wheels over bw all they want smdh at the lack of intelligence...personally i think most of the bm here should just suck it up and go back to bw because that is all they think about night and day...day and night...good riddance...

 

completely agree with the highlighted part lippy. i've never heard you bash white men & i don't either because it's a waste of time...i prefer to focus on how wonderful black men are. oh & yes i remember that thread where we were laughing at pink dicks...it was all light hearted fun.

 

:smt023 me likey this comment

 

I'm gonna assume you're upset and didn't mean your last sentence because that shit is plain rude. Btw talking about dicks and children in the same sentence isn't always weird or perverted for example "one day I might have kids but not with you because you are a dick" get it?

 

Rather clearly there was nothing weird or perverted about the way it was brought up, and anyone whose mind immediately went there is either too sensitive, or looking to make mountains out of mole hills... perhaps both. The same could be said about the comment you found to be rude Andrae. I think sometimes people get so worked up that they simply lose the ability to be even remotely reasonable and appropriate. At that point it's best to just ignore them since it's clear they aren't going to offer anything objective with merit. If you find that to consistently be the case, I think that's what the Ignore feature was created for.

 

No, it's the simple fact that she's a blatant troll and we're not supposed to "feed" them.