Obama Begins 2012 Re-Election Bid

[Morning Star]

Would you propose a flat tax rate across all income levels or divide them based on income? I would like to know your take on the matter.

It really doesn't matter who wins in 2012, black unemployment will still remain alarmingly high, inflation isn't going away and the Lost Decade we have been in since the early 2000s will probably continue, with jobs continuing to be shipped off to China and India. Taxes are going to have to go up if we don't want to go bankrupt in like 4 years, there is simply no way we can close the holes in the intragovernmental holdings (aka Social Security and Medicare) which together cost more than $52 trillion dollars without increasing revenues across the board.

I do this thing for a living and am merely telling you my opinion. You don't have to take my word for it, all you need to do is do your own homework.

Ron Paul will basically cause this country to lose control altogether. (Conservative) Libertarian + Government is an oxymoron at best. He may have *some* good ideas, but for the most part, he'll cater to corporations rather than the people. Ron Paul supporters are way too dogmatic to see this.

well..If Ron Paul gets elected and Americans back him up by physically standing up to corruption then everything would improve quite drastically.

p.s. What is it with someone of you O'Bomber Lies-a-Lot supporters....I've met some pretty vapid people in my life but you folks take the cake.

 

[velkrum]

Ron Paul will basically cause this country to lose control altogether.

Please explain this in detail.

he'll cater to corporations rather than the people.

...again please explain what you mean by this statement.

 

[Morning Star]

Okay, here's how libertarianism works since your THIS addle-minded...

Ideally, it's about allowing people to exercise their right to do what they please without government intervention and regulation. This idea only works in theory. Keyword: theory. Do you understand so far?

Furthermore, when it comes to the likes of Ron Paul who feels that government shouldn't get involved with individual things, he's basically implying:

1. Militias are better than federal run military personnel.

2. Public libraries have no place in society.

3. Public Hospitals have no place for states.

4. No regulation for the businesses, and allow them to exercise their own laws.

Now, all these ideas seem nice and dandy, BUT...again, it works in theory. In reality, it would cause more harm and knowing Paul's track record, he's more about being pro-business than pro-people despite his statements on being libertarian.

1. He's against abortion, and yet fails to meet the libertarian criteria. One thing to be against it, but another thing to exercise your reasoning on a federal level. He voted for pretty much almost all laws to restrict abortions. He's a federal politician who gets paid by his constituents. If anything, that's more of an anti-woman, anti-individual right being infringed.

2. He is for, yet against the Civil Rights Act if 1964. He, as well as his son, believes that businesses have the right to discriminate based on their sex, race, and/or gender. This in part is utterly contradictory to the basis of the Preamble. And yet, he believes in the Constitution. That's bullshit.

3. He, like many misinformed peoples of this country, believes that the country is founded on Christian principles. Now, this is nonsense. It shows he doesn't quite understand the meaning of this country at all.

Now bear in mind, there are some things in which I can agree with him on, notably legalizing prostitution, drugs, and also not intervene in wars and bring down the deficit and all that jazz. But, he's too much of an idealist who lacks the reality of our history and simply believe in the ideals of our history. He's not a bad person, but he'll never govern this nation properly with his ideas. It would be nice if the whole world acted on libertarian, peaceful measures. However, they are simply a mold of delusional people.

Please explain this in detail.

...again please explain what you mean by this statement.

 

[velkrum]

Ideally, it's about allowing people to exercise their right to do what they please without government intervention and regulation. This idea only works in theory. Keyword: theory. Do you understand so far?

How do you know this will only work in theory ?

1. Militias are better than federal run military personnel.

2. Public libraries have no place in society.

3. Public Hospitals have no place for states.

4. No regulation for the businesses, and allow them to exercise their own laws.

The only thing on that list worth concern is public hospitals...and since you know NOTHING about science or medicine, hospitals would not be AS necessary since Holistic doctors would probably become the norm. Holistic doctors are extremely cost effective and preferred over modern medicine.

Now, all these ideas seem nice and dandy, BUT...again, it works in theory.

where is your evidence to back up your statement ?

1. He's against abortion, and yet fails to meet the libertarian criteria. One thing to be against it, but another thing to exercise your reasoning on a federal level. He voted for pretty much almost all laws to restrict abortions. He's a federal politician who gets paid by his constituents. If anything, that's more of an anti-woman, anti-individual right being infringed.

2. He is for, yet against the Civil Rights Act if 1964. He, as well as his son, believes that businesses have the right to discriminate based on their sex, race, and/or gender. This in part is utterly contradictory to the basis of the Preamble. And yet, he believes in the Constitution. That's bullshit.

3. He, like many misinformed peoples of this country, believes that the country is founded on Christian principles. Now, this is nonsense. It shows he doesn't quite understand the meaning of this country at all.

He believes abortion should be regulated on a state level NOT a federal level.

p.s. If I start my my own business I should have the right to pick and choose whom ever I want to employ. Maybe you should educate yourself and start your own company instead of expecting free hand outs based on your skin color.

 

[Morning Star]

If you bothered reading the four points in conjunction with this statement, then you'd understand that libertarianism frankly, is a contradiction since that philosophy will be IN the federal government in which that philosophy wants to practically get rid of. In other words, it simply means:

1. Not everyone will get proper care nor can afford it. That also includes "Holistic health" in which can easily turn into a big money venture once it catches on in a strict capitalist society. It's worthless. It's merely "psychology" with the spiritual nonsense in tact. May as well stay home and order some "feel good" videos to help you. Plus, there's a good reason the U.S. doesn't have the best healthcare system to date. That title goes to Sweden, Switzerland and France and you know what else? They have a Socialistic-Capitalist system which works for people. And guess what? Government run companies help them and they keep the cost low for people.

2. Militias would run rampant and basically kill who they see as an enemy. Case in point, deputizing local people in the Katrina incident which lead to a shit load of murders because one's skin color looks threatening.

3. Deregulated businesses without any oversight would allow them to inflate prices in the market which will benefit them, but at the cost of people who just simply buy into that crap. Case in point, Dow Jones & Bhopal and in this country, the ridiculous performance enhancing drug non-intervention. Ah. Want another one? Well, that should be obvious, but then again...you're head's too far up your ass to realize that.

See where I'm getting at? All this, due to the nature of your typical greedy, individualistic person would cater only to themselves as long as they can profit from it. And profiting doesn't always equate to helping the public. If anything, it's more destructive, you dumbass.

P.S. It's funny how you think I don't know how the healthcare system works. You need to learn from someone who's far more adversed in medicine and the healthcare business especially since I'm surrounded by medical personnel who educate me on the matters at hand?

How do you know this will only work in theory ?

The only thing on that list worth concern is public hospitals...and since you know NOTHING about science or medicine, hospitals would not be AS necessary since Holistic doctors would probably become the norm. Holistic doctors are extremely cost effective and preferred over modern medicine.

where is your evidence to back up your statement ?

Wow, you obviously forgot that libertarianism doesn't want the federal government get involved with state affairs. Hell, they don't even want the state to delve into personal affairs. Classic form of Conservatism believes in state's rights, which is a classic definition of libertarianism. You must be one stupid motherfucker if you forgot that.

In other words and this shouldn't take too long for you to figure it out: He's a staunch pro-life advocate who thinks that, as a federal employee, have the right to restrict the rights of women. Are you that fucking dumb and have your head so far up your ass, you forget the basics of Civics?! Damn kid. Stop while you're ahead.

He believes abortion should be regulated on a state level NOT a federal level.

The right based on discrimination? Then you're infringing on the rights of people and thus impeding on their right to succeed, which further proves my point how much of a selfish jackass you really are and how knock-kneed you really are. You're contradicting your own philosophy here, kiddo. It simply won't work under these circumstances and never will. Thank you for proving my point.

p.s. If I start my my own business I should have the right to pick and choose whom ever I want to employ. Maybe you should educate yourself and start your own company instead of expecting free hand outs based on your skin color.

 

[Euro23]

And President Obama's forthcoming Vvsit to Ireland, the U.K. and France are part of this re-election campaign.

 

[velkrum]

Sarah, how do people in those regions view O'Bomber ?

 

[Morning Star]

I thought you were well adversed with politics. But since you've proven (again) you're not too smart under these circumstances, here's the simple answer...

Europe have good relations with the U.S., far better than the previous administration.

Now is that clear enough for you?

Sarah, how do people in those regions view O'Bomber ?

 

[z]

Sarah, how do people in those regions view O'Bomber ?

What is Obama being the favorite US leader in France or Germany has to do with his re-election? This election is about economy, jobs, gas price, health care, possibly immigration refrom, so who cares if the French or germans are waving Obama's picture and marching in Berlin or Marseille.

By the way Ron Paul and his son both physicians, their view of the wrold is way backward. Ron senior a former OB/Gyn vehemently oppose abortion even almost in rape case & mother's health condition, and his son who was a practicing OPtho wants to oppose civil rights.

They're not gonna win shit, he is not even gonna raise enough money to be taken as a serious contender.

 

[Morning Star]

You also forgot that Rand Paul isn't really a certified dentist. He never gotten accredited at the actual practice. Rather, he created his own so he can practice dentistry.

What is Obama being the favorite US leader in France or Germany has to do with his re-election? This election is about economy, jobs, gas price, health care, possibly immigration refrom, so who cares if the French or germans are waving Obama's picture and marching in Berlin or Marseille.

By the way Ron Paul and his son both physicians, their view of the wrold is way backward. Ron senior a former OB/Gyn vehemently oppose abortion even almost in rape case & mother's health condition, and his son who was a practicing OPtho wants to oppose civil rights.

They're not gonna win shit, he is not even gonna raise enough money to be taken as a serious contender.

 

[z]

You also forgot that Rand Paul isn't really a certified dentist. He never gotten accredited at the actual practice. Rather, he created his own so he can practice dentistry.

I thought he was an eye doctor (Optho). Didn't he go to legit medical school and did residency and became an Optho? (I could be wrong here) I heard about the dentist thing a while back ago but I thought it was a mix up or something. So was he practicing Optho and dentistry in Kentucky, did he go to dental school as well?

 

[velkrum]

This election is about economy, jobs, gas price, health care, possibly immigration refrom

Right...and who do you think has the MOST LOGICAL approach to fix these issues ?

Ron Paul and his son both physicians, their view of the wrold is way backward.

How so ??

Ron senior a former OB/Gyn vehemently oppose abortion even almost in rape case & mother's health condition, and his son who was a practicing OPtho wants to oppose civil rights.

Ron Paul believes STATES should have their own regulations regarding abortion NOT the Feds. As for Rand Paul opposing civil rights, I have never heard of that do you have any links or evidence I can see ?

 

[Morning Star]

Oh! You're right! My mistake! Yes, he's an opthalmologist, but he created his own because he didn't like the fact that it was too cumbersome to get an issued license from the national level. He's state certified, thus he can only work within the state of Kentucky.

I thought he was an eye doctor (Optho). Didn't he go to legit medical school and did residency and became an Optho? (I could be wrong here) I heard about the dentist thing a while back ago but I thought it was a mix up or something. So was he practicing Optho and dentistry in Kentucky, did he go to dental school as well?

 

[z]

Right...and who do you think has the MOST LOGICAL approach to fix these issues ??

Certainly not him.

Ron Paul believes STATES should have their own regulations regarding abortion NOT the Feds. As for Rand Paul opposing civil rights, I have never heard of that do you have any links or evidence I can see ?

Didn't BBW give you a thesis on this like 2 pages ago, reading is fundamental, go back and read his response.

 

[Morning Star]

He won't listen at all. The guy is one of those hardcore libertarians who basically like to think that philosophy isn't a contradiction if those people are part of the federal government.

There's even a thesis written relating to the flaws of libertarianism. As I stated before, it works only in theory. But in practice, it's a disaster. To be frank, for that system to work on a federal level, 100% of the populace would have to act as rational human beings. But that cannot be the case at all.

Certainly not him.


Didn't BBW give you a thesis on this like 2 pages ago, reading is fundamental, go back and read his response.

 

[velkrum]

BBW gave a poorly OPINIONATED response and he still hasn't answered many of my earlier questions. It doesn't matter anymore as I've decided to ignore him. In your case UnChosen1 are you unable to use logic to explain your answers or do you just whine complain ?

 

[Morning Star]

Hey dickhead...I have provided FACTUAL statements and logical statements. You're a prime example of what I'm talking about, you stupid bastard. You say this because you're incapable of refuting any of my statements at all because you know damn well you cannot find a retort to it whatsoever.

BBW gave a poorly OPINIONATED response and he still hasn't answered many of my earlier questions, but it doesn't matter anymore as I've decided to ignore him. but in your case Chosen1 are you unable to use logic to explain answers or do you just whine compalin ?

 

[z]

Romney says he will kill Obama care, isn’t Romney care the “blue print” for Obama care? Also Romney says he is really a pro life but he had to be pro choice when he was running for a governor of Massachusetts coz that was the opinion of majority.
To me it sounds like “Hey I wasn’t gonna win in Massachusetts unless I told the voters that I was a pro choice even tho I am not”
That sounds like a man with no internal moral compass, no internal set of ideals that he/she live by, just a wind sock, ah politicians, lol

 

[Morning Star]

Do you think that he'll actually find effective ways to boost the economy at a quicker pace? Or will he allow it all to lag?

Romney says he will kill Obama care, isn’t Romney care the “blue print” for Obama care? Also Romney says he is really a pro life but he had to be pro choice when he was running for a governor of Massachusetts coz that was the opinion of majority.
To me it sounds like “Hey I wasn’t gonna win in Massachusetts unless I told the voters that I was a pro choice even tho I am not”
That sounds like a man with no internal moral compass, no internal set of ideals that he/she live by, just a wind sock, ah politicians, lol

 

[Mikey]

Everything will be fine, as Karma reiterated earlier. Think of it this way. It took 8 years for Bush to sink us down, it should take the same amount of time for Obama to uplift the country, afterwards.