Elin now dating a white guy

[TERRASTAR18]

True but I have never seen "hired help" with Elin.

Think about Heidi Klum and Seal. You always see their nannies with them for just a trip out to the Dr. And same for Sandra Bullock and many others. Have never seen a nanny with Elin.

You're forgetting one immportant fact at the wealthy. They more often than not have nannies that help out A LOT.

Her kids are young terra. Most women don't choose to have a baby in the middle of getting an education. Most do it before or after. A lot of times people drop out if they get pregnant in college. When you have a kid up all night your brain is shit. Not conducive to getting good grades and passing.

her lifestyle is different from other ppl. most women have to work, go to school and raise their children. if she wanted nannies, she could have had them. if she was serious about school, she would have talked about it before she decided to get married to tiger, unless she lets him control her, which i don't believe.
btw, she robably has a nanny watching her kids while she goes to school now...

 

[whikle]

Say what? His celebrity exists because he CAN PLAY GOLF. Period. Thats why the endorsements are there. No Golf ability, no $$$. Youre using semantics here. If he had a personality like Bob Hope and million dollar smile, he still has the win tournaments to sell shoes, Buicks and whatever else he puts his name on.

It's still not a direct link. There are PLENTY of people in the world who have questionable talent/ability at best and have still made millions of dollars due to their celebrity.

Tiger happens to have an aptitude and talent that falls under the "entertainment industry" category, his success is public and celebrated, therefore he's profited greatly. Other people have extreme talent in other areas, and if they're not areas that will boost them to celebrity, they'll never profit in the same way. What makes Tiger's talent any more worth multiple millions? It's situational, circumstantial, luck...

 

[TreePixie]

exactly. the problem is women want to have different standards . when they cheat they should have to give up custody and thus should have to pay child support because they are women

Men dont have to give up custody when they cheat. Women who are not the custodial parent do have to pay child support.

And when custody is CONTESTED, men win about 70% of the time. More men who want to be primary caregivers should contest custody.

In MA, at the time I divorced, the "default" was joint physical and joint legal custody. I got full physical custody because my ex was a jerk and spent 2 years fucking up in front of judge after judge, and blowing off all his responsibility to his son.

 

[TreePixie]

Like you ONLY hear about shitty men. you rarely hear about men going thru shit like what YRMA and I are talking about. you will see most wanted posters of men needing to pay child support but you will never or raely see women gone to jail for withholding a visitation. only 4% of the men in the US have custody of the kids. what does that say about fairness in the courts



lumping arent we ?



1) they rarely if ever jail a woman for withholding a child. they will but you have to do it multiple times.

2) if you didnt get child support and he end up paying you will get back child support and he has to pay interest to the state (in alabama) . if you denied a man his child is there back visitation ? NO. men have to suck it up.

Move to MA? All I know is that there, non custodial parents slide on child support all the time UNLESS the custodial parent goes on welfare. If s/he works, s/he's on her own. The state only goes after the child support if the custodial parent is on support from the state, so they can recover their costs.

My ex never went to jail, has never paid back support, or interest or anything else. Conservatively, I could easily pay off my house on what he owes, and that's without asking him to split college costs (I paid that completely out of pocket too)

More men should ask for custody - too often they say they can't manage full time child care with their jobs, etc. Although women do that all the time. Most guys don't ask for custody, and more should. Custody should go to the parent who is capable of providing the best home and atmosphere for the child, or custody should be joint if the parents can work together and agree to stay in the same area so the kids dont have to go back and forth to different schools.

 

[TreePixie]

It's still not a direct link. There are PLENTY of people in the world who have questionable talent/ability at best and have still made millions of dollars due to their celebrity.

Can we start with Paris Hilton and the Kardashians?

 

[TreePixie]

example: when a man cheats on his wife its because its his sexual appetite, when a woman cheats its because a man neglected her. In other words women want to be held to different standards when it suits their situation. want equal rights then take the good and the bad that goes with it

No, usually when a man cheats it's said that his woman didnt do enough to keep him satisfied at home.

Anyone who cheats does so because they choose to do so, period.

 

[The Dark King]

It's still not a direct link. There are PLENTY of people in the world who have questionable talent/ability at best and have still made millions of dollars due to their celebrity.

Tiger happens to have an aptitude and talent that falls under the "entertainment industry" category, his success is public and celebrated, therefore he's profited greatly. Other people have extreme talent in other areas, and if they're not areas that will boost them to celebrity, they'll never profit in the same way. What makes Tiger's talent any more worth multiple millions? It's situational, circumstantial, luck...

In his particular case it wasn't questionable it was the result of hard word and even if you don't admire and respect it millions do and as a result millions want to emulate him which is why companies employ him to endorse their products. If he wasn't a winner he wouldn't be asked to endorse a thing. He just happens to be in a sport people pay attention to and enjoy watching.
Who do you think should be making millions instead based on our current system.

 

[TERRASTAR18]

In his particular case it wasn't questionable it was the result of hard word and even if you don't admire and respect it millions do and as a result millions want to emulate him which is why companies employ him to endorse their products. If he wasn't a winner he wouldn't be asked to endorse a thing. He just happens to be in a sport people pay attention to and enjoy watching.
Who do you think should be making millions instead based on our current system.

preach my brotha.
not to mention golf is a lucrative sport and lesser players have made a lot of money as well. tiger makes his money because he makes ppl money. he basically gets a tenth of what he generates for others. and before we get into teachers' salaries, the reason why teachers are ppayed so low is because we worry about tiger's money instead of about corporate tax breaks. if we got off our asses and complained about that, teachers would get more money. btw it's called capitalism, another game tiger has mastered.

 

[whikle]

In his particular case it wasn't questionable it was the result of hard word and even if you don't admire and respect it millions do and as a result millions want to emulate him which is why companies employ him to endorse their products. If he wasn't a winner he wouldn't be asked to endorse a thing. He just happens to be in a sport people pay attention to and enjoy watching.
Who do you think should be making millions instead based on our current system.

There's a correlation between tiger's talent and labor to his wealth from endorsements, but it's not causational.

If you want to look at it this way, you could say that the money tiger earns from winning tournaments is his worth directly related to his skill. The money he makes on endorsements is his worth based on his celebrity. Yes, his skill made him a celebrity, but it's didn't directly cause the endorsements.

If tiger never chose to persue professional golf, but played on weekends with the same skill, no company would be rushing to sponsor him based on his talent.

Correlation and causation are not the same thing.

 

[JordanC]

In his particular case it wasn't questionable it was the result of hard word and even if you don't admire and respect it millions do and as a result millions want to emulate him which is why companies employ him to endorse their products. If he wasn't a winner he wouldn't be asked to endorse a thing. He just happens to be in a sport people pay attention to and enjoy watching.
Who do you think should be making millions instead based on our current system.

I just want to say based on firsthand knowledge from how far my dad went related to sports, hard work does not cause that level of athlticism. You have to first have a God given talent. You can work from there but not everyone can be an athelete of a high level just because they put in the hours.

The main ingredient is the God given talent. You must work to enhance it and have the breaks from there but you imply because Tiger "worked hard" he got to the level he did. If that were the case everyone could be a pro athlete. Not true.

At the Olympic center in Co. Springs they have studied top level athletes and what makes them tick. I will try to find the article I read about the study. Very interesting. One thing they seem to have in common is an amazing perception of what is going on around them and the abilty to react quickly.

 

[z]

I just want to say based on firsthand knowledge from how far my dad went related to sports, hard work does not cause that level of athlticism. You have to first have a God given talent. You can work from there but not everyone can be an athelete of a high level just because they put in the hours.

The main ingredient is the God given talent. You must work to enhance it and have the breaks from there but you imply because Tiger "worked hard" he got to the level he did. If that were the case everyone could be a pro athlete. Not true.

At the Olympic center in Co. Springs they have studied top level athletes and what makes them tick. I will try to find the article I read about the study. Very interesting. One thing they seem to have in common is an amazing perception of what is going on around them and the abilty to react quickly.

Agreed.

1. You have to be blessed with God given exceptional talent= Nature
2. You have to have enviroment to mold, shape and cultivate that talent= Nurture.
3. You got to have a good luck, i.e. be in the right place at the right time, etc...

In short, you got to have mother nature, nurture and good luck working for your ass, otherwise you can dribble a ball day and night but your chance of being an MVP in pro team is slim to none.

 

[The Dark King]

I just want to say based on firsthand knowledge from how far my dad went related to sports, hard work does not cause that level of athlticism. You have to first have a God given talent. You can work from there but not everyone can be an athelete of a high level just because they put in the hours.

The main ingredient is the God given talent. You must work to enhance it and have the breaks from there but you imply because Tiger "worked hard" he got to the level he did. If that were the case everyone could be a pro athlete. Not true.

At the Olympic center in Co. Springs they have studied top level athletes and what makes them tick. I will try to find the article I read about the study. Very interesting. One thing they seem to have in common is an amazing perception of what is going on around them and the abilty to react quickly.

I don't know if you ever played sports or been around truly gifted athletes but its way more work than it is talent. A great example that comes to mind is Tracy McGrady who is probably the most naturally talented athletes in the histroy of basketball but is a lazy bum. Then you have someone like Lebron and Kobe who are naturally talented but also out work everyone.
Prefontain had a great quote" talent is a myth the only thing that exists is your hard work"
Talent is also another excuse for losers when they lose.

 

[The Dark King]

There's a correlation between tiger's talent and labor to his wealth from endorsements, but it's not causational.

If you want to look at it this way, you could say that the money tiger earns from winning tournaments is his worth directly related to his skill. The money he makes on endorsements is his worth based on his celebrity. Yes, his skill made him a celebrity, but it's didn't directly cause the endorsements.

If tiger never chose to persue professional golf, but played on weekends with the same skill, no company would be rushing to sponsor him based on his talent.

Correlation and causation are not the same thing.

Do you know what the words correlative and causation mean?
If Tiger was some casual weekend golfer he would have never been as great as he is. Him being a remarkable athlete is what got him the endorsements.
I'm gonna dumb it down for you. Let's say a little girl has an interest in science and as results spends hours upon hours studying. Studying so hard she gets accepted to Oxford on academic scholarship into a chemical engineering program. She continues to work hard and out shines all the other students and as a result wins a fellowship into a prestigious chemical engineering program. She again graduates top of her class and is offered a high paying professorship job and research grant through the university. She later discovers the cure for cancer which gets her the nobel prize.

As a nobel prize winner she's now on the cover magazines and has a movie made about her life story which grosses her millions of dollars. Would any of that been possible had she been a casual chemist?

 

[whikle]

Do you know what the words correlative and causation mean?
If Tiger was some casual weekend golfer he would have never been as great as he is. Him being a remarkable athlete is what got him the endorsements.
I'm gonna dumb it down for you. Let's say a little girl has an interest in science and as results spends hours upon hours studying. Studying so hard she gets accepted to Oxford on academic scholarship into a chemical engineering program. She continues to work hard and out shines all the other students and as a result wins a fellowship into a prestigious chemical engineering program. She again graduates top of her class and is offered a high paying professorship job and research grant through the university. She later discovers the cure for cancer which gets her the nobel prize.

As a nobel prize winner she's now on the cover magazines and has a movie made about her life story which grosses her millions of dollars. Would any of that been possible had she been a casual chemist?

Obviously I haven't dumbed it down enough for you cos you're completely missing my point.

 

[The Dark King]

Obviously I haven't dumbed it down enough for you cos you're completely missing my point.

What point? You haven't made one love. You make endorsement deals sound like a perk like free towels at the gym when its essentially a business deal where a company uses the celebrity of an athlete gained by winning. They don't pick these guys at random. You have to be the best to get them which is a result of hard work. No hard work no winning no winning no endorsements.
get it?

 

[whikle]

What point? You haven't made one love. You make endorsement deals sound like a perk like free towels at the gym when its essentially a business deal where a company uses the celebrity of an athlete gained by winning. They don't pick these guys at random. You have to be the best to get them which is a result of hard work. No hard work no winning no winning no endorsements.
get it?

You're the king of analogies, so I'll throw one back at ya. Let's say there's a correlation between high academic results and wealthy families. Did the family's wealth directly cause the high achievement of it's family members? No, but wealth meant they could afford better schools, private tutors, the bes tresources etc. There's a link between wealth and highresults, but it's a correlative link. Like I said, if Tiger CHOSE not to pursue professional golf, but he still enjoyed it so played on the weekends with the SAME LEVEL OF SKILL, no one would be interested in sponsoring him. Therefore his TALENT alone is not the cause of the endorsements. His talent meant he could be the best in the world, win tournaments and become a celebrity. And his celebrity and reputations as being the best in the world caused companies to want him to be a spokesperson for their products.

 

[The Dark King]

You're the king of analogies, so I'll throw one back at ya. Let's say there's a correlation between high academic results and wealthy families. Did the family's wealth directly cause the high achievement of it's family members? No, but wealth meant they could afford better schools, private tutors, the bes tresources etc. There's a link between wealth and highresults, but it's a correlative link. Like I said, if Tiger CHOSE not to pursue professional golf, but he still enjoyed it so played on the weekends with the SAME LEVEL OF SKILL, no one would be interested in sponsoring him. Therefore his TALENT alone is not the cause of the endorsements. His talent meant he could be the best in the world, win tournaments and become a celebrity. And his celebrity and reputations as being the best in the world caused companies to want him to be a spokesperson for their products.

Whikle you keep asserting its not causative but he wouldn't have the level of skill that got him notice without the hard work. The hard work is essential unlike your wealth and school model. In that scenario achievement isn't quantative as much as it is intrinsic. Meaning just going being present and making friends in certain enviroments opens doors where as in professional sports you have to have the numbers. You think Nike or Gatorade care whether or not he has a good smile or a wholesome personality. They signed him because he's a winner. That shit didn't just happen it was worked for.
You keep trying to seperate the winning from the endorsements and to be honest his endorsements are probably more responsible for his celebrity.
Take Lebron James for example. The fact he got a 90 million dollar shoe contract had more to do with his celebrity than him winning any basketball games. Same thing with TIger. Until Nike signed him for 80 million most people outside of the golfing world had no clue who he was and he was winning tournaments like crazy back then.

 

[lippy]

lippy feels compelled at this time to break down endorsements in terms of marketing vs. talent...when tiger woods lost his endorsements it didn't have anything to do with his talent disappearing overnight...it had to do with his marketability to continue endorsing a product...when the media found out that he was cheating and had been cheating he at that time was no longer the ideal family man that was married with two children...all the talent in the world still didn't make those companies want to keep him on board

flashback to kobe bryant...accused of raping a colorado woman...his talent didn't disappear on the basketball court but his sponsers dropped him because even with all his talent on the court he was not the type of man that could endorse their product

companies don't like bad publicity...they can't afford to put their product in jeopardy when the person they have endorsing the product is being frowned upon in the public

basketball fans more forgiving...recover quickly

golf fans do not recover as quickly...doesn't matter how good he is...look at us...we are still debating everything about the relationship

many talented athletes are overlooked for endorsements because of their shady past and or questionable affiliations

 

[Iggy]

It's still not a direct link. There are PLENTY of people in the world who have questionable talent/ability at best and have still made millions of dollars due to their celebrity.

Tiger happens to have an aptitude and talent that falls under the "entertainment industry" category, his success is public and celebrated, therefore he's profited greatly. Other people have extreme talent in other areas, and if they're not areas that will boost them to celebrity, they'll never profit in the same way. What makes Tiger's talent any more worth multiple millions? It's situational, circumstantial, luck...

Wait wait wait, you're saying that Tiger is lucky?!?!?! This motherfucker worked his ass off since he was a toddler. He MASTERED the game thru hard work and dedication. And you want to write him off as lucky at best?!?!! bwhahahaha

 

[karmacoma.]

Wait wait wait, you're saying that Tiger is lucky?!?!?! This motherfucker worked his ass off since he was a toddler. He MASTERED the game thru hard work and dedication. And you want to write him off as lucky at best?!?!! bwhahahaha

If it was a female golfer I'll bet it would be a whole different story.