this is exactly why it is much too early to decide who can be included in black history
Has Hiphop done more to harm the Black community than good?
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this is exactly why it is much too early to decide who can be included in black history
1.Aight he aint on jiggas prime level yet but weezy getting there , you have to remember wayne only 27.He got time to make Blueprint.
2.Truthfully I see the south being dominant for any 5 years.
3.My Top 3
1.Pac
2.Biggie
3.Jay/nas
For every one hit wonder made in the south , there is 10 new ones being recorded .
For every rap group what has a 2 year life span in the south , there is 5 new ones around the corner.
Like I said southern rappers hustle (legally) better .A new up and coming southern rap will make more money than an up and comin northern rapper .How ? They cater to that audience what wants to hear that sound.They gunna pump out mixtapes every month and yes pumpig out mixtapes does not mean you are talented but it will make you more relevent in the streets
A prime example of this is Lil wayne vs Juelz Santana . I would right about it but I allready wrote this huge essay.
GFunk
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That's the point I was proving. Quantity over quality. The south is better at their legal hustle, NOW. Back in the 80's, NY had their hustle the strongest, because of the Golden Era where every MC brought something different and original. In the 90s, the west had their hustle the strongest, and flooded the market with gangsta rap and G-Funk copycats. Now, it's the south. The south being better at getting their stuff out their is relevant to what's popular, at the time. It's not like the south was always the best at getting their stuff out there, and the same applies for the east and west. And like every sound, whatever is hot now will eventually get played out. That's how hip-hop evolves(or devolves). There may still be a fanbase for the stuff, but it's not gonna be what's hot in the mainstream, forever. For example, hyphy. Only a few people out her still fuck with hyphy, after the nationwide hype died down.
The west fell off because of
Selfishness (Dr.dre)
Beef (Death row)
Leaders dying (Eazy-E and Tupac)
If all these things would have been avoided hip hop as a whole would be much healthier , . The west would probbaly still be on top for another 5 years .But would still be relevent today. How can a coast with so much talent just die like that ? Internal issues.
The south (business structure) is built better .The south has many great record labels , not just one super lable .So if one lable falls off, there is another one ready to take that place.
Rockafella IMO was the reason why the south is on top and why new york is not that relevent
Selfishness (Dr.dre)
Beef (Death row)
Leaders dying (Eazy-E and Tupac)
If all these things would have been avoided hip hop as a whole would be much healthier , . The west would probbaly still be on top for another 5 years .But would still be relevent today. How can a coast with so much talent just die like that ? Internal issues.
The south (business structure) is built better .The south has many great record labels , not just one super lable .So if one lable falls off, there is another one ready to take that place.
Rockafella IMO was the reason why the south is on top and why new york is not that relevent
The Dark King
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Wow you guys know little about NY rap. We were only hot in the 80s? Check the stats 97 was completely bad 98 was Ruff Ryders and from 99 to about 2002 2003 was the Roc look at what was hot. The country was pumping BIG Nas Dmx Jay Em Puff Mase and 50 really heavy between those years. Lyrically the east can't be touched but like I've said the south is on top right now because its their turn definitely not because they're more talented.
LOL what is you reading fam , I never said that.
The Dark King
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Sorry that was aimed at Ajax fam
GFunk
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Never said anything about the East not being hot ONLY in the 80s. The East was still somewhat hot, but once the Chronic dropped, and Death Row came out, and Above the Law came out with the G-Funk sound, the West was on top. Not to say the East wasn't putting out hot shit, but the west was dominating. Hell, once Ice Cube went solo and commanded respect from both the west and the east coast when he dropped AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, it was a sign that the west was coming up. Also, when NWA's Niggaz4Life debuted at number 1 on the pop charts, the first hardcore rap album to do so, that was another sign. They beat out Michael Jackson on the pop charts. Not even gonna speak on the lyrical thing, because we know the East has brought us the most lyrical geniuses in hip-hop.
Biggie was pretty much the answer to counter the West Coast, because Death Row ran shit. Snoop, Pac, Dre, Suge were the main dudes. Daz and Kurrupt, and Nate didn't slack on quality shit, either. 92'-96', Death Row was unfuckwitable.
I will say, the East controlled the late 90s. From 97 and up, the East Coast took over again. Then Dre singlehandedly brought focus back to the west in 99,when he dropped Chronic 2001. The East was still the overall winner in the late 90s, but Dre came back with a fury, and had mufuckas worldwide bumpin' that shit wherever, whenever. He pretty much took his spotlight back, and then some.
The Dark King
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Ok I gotta cosign that. Damn I wish more discussions could go like this lol
Tony Soprano
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I owe you rep for this.:smt023
yes it has
yes it has most definitely effected the blk community,i can not stand that junk,they only play that mess for other people 2 hear,it is so silly and crazy for those fools 2 ride up and down the street blasting those boom boxies and that rap junk.they even roll there windows down on a hot 95 degree day when they are pasting through just for others 2 hear.those 10 and 12 yr old black youngsters thank that is all blk people do,they go and pick up on that and do the same thing when they should be picking up a book 2 read so they can be well educated like president obama.remember now,this is how i feel,u pose the question,so i answer it.
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yes it has most definitely effected the blk community,i can not stand that junk,they only play that mess for other people 2 hear,it is so silly and crazy for those fools 2 ride up and down the street blasting those boom boxies and that rap junk.they even roll there windows down on a hot 95 degree day when they are pasting through just for others 2 hear.those 10 and 12 yr old black youngsters thank that is all blk people do,they go and pick up on that and do the same thing when they should be picking up a book 2 read so they can be well educated like president obama.remember now,this is how i feel,u pose the question,so i answer it.
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Raul Sinclair
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Hip hop was intended to raise consciousness to the black community. All this pop commercial garbage it has become is unfortunate. Once money poured in, it never was the same
Raul Sinclair
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memnon
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I think hiphop has done more harm than good because hiphop is one of the few images people in other countries get to see of Black Americans. Most of the time, those images were not positive. The references of violence, bling, and other gang related themes perpetuated a very negative stereotype of Black Americans around the world.
Tony Soprano
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GQ Brotha
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Hopefully one day hip hop returns to that level of consciousness and creativity it was founded on when expressed.
The bubble gum shit out here today is nauseating on average.
The sad reality is there are many folks in the black community who fail to separate hip-hop the entertainment and the actual everyday life in urban communities.
Some folks see the music videos and hear the artists talking and think that is some gospel or the way to live life and form values and goals as to what is important in being a successful black person.
Not every black person can become a rapper or baller, how about we dedicate some of that focus to becoming someone like a Ben Carson, Barack Obama, an Oprah Winfrey with her powerful media influence, doctors, lawyers, educators, engineers, architects, etc.
Instead we have young kids thinking they have to become the next LIl Wayne, Gucci Mane, Nicki Minaj, Kobi, Lebron because it is glossed up all in the media.
The bubble gum shit out here today is nauseating on average.
The sad reality is there are many folks in the black community who fail to separate hip-hop the entertainment and the actual everyday life in urban communities.
Some folks see the music videos and hear the artists talking and think that is some gospel or the way to live life and form values and goals as to what is important in being a successful black person.
Not every black person can become a rapper or baller, how about we dedicate some of that focus to becoming someone like a Ben Carson, Barack Obama, an Oprah Winfrey with her powerful media influence, doctors, lawyers, educators, engineers, architects, etc.
Instead we have young kids thinking they have to become the next LIl Wayne, Gucci Mane, Nicki Minaj, Kobi, Lebron because it is glossed up all in the media.
blackguyatprinceton
New Member
Hip Hop took a turn for the worst once the dudes from Sulphur Springs(dirty south) felt like they needed to get in on the act. After that, lyrical prowess was no longer essential to the longevity of one's career. All you need is a good beat and a corny dance... and now you have a hit.
There was a time when hip hop was about raising conciousness on issues in the community or just showing off your skills on the mic. Those days are long gone and I'm not sure if they will ever return.
The sad part is our generation carries around this convoluted notion that this is epitome of hip hop.
I'm a bit off topic, but about a month ago I'm on a date chilling and we get into the subject about Music. Now I do understand that I differ from my peers, most of them like the SNAP AND POP music. I love the Cooled Out Jazz form of Hip Hop. This is how the script goes .. (or from what I can remember)
Me: I like the elder days of Hip Hop when Jeru The Damaja, Pete Rock and C.L., Tribe Called Quest, Jungle Brothers, Leaders Of the New School, Guru + D.J. Premier, Rakim The Rap God, etc ..
Woman: Soooooooooooooo I take it you don't listen to the radio.
Me: No... I just can't relate to whats being played. I understand that's what everyone likes,but it's just difficult for me to listen to that .. I have to listen to things that I can feel in the Spirit. I love music that makes me think.
Woman: Just because you can't relate to it does not mean you don't have to listen to it. You have no style to you. I don't relate to some of those songs on the radio but I listen to them. You should listen to them as well.
(Que in the Bernie Mac "OH LAWD!!!")
Me: Why should I listen to them? The majority of these artists clearly don't value intelligence.
Woman: Because it's what's in! I mean look around you,you need to get rid of that old stuff you listen to and change your style up.
(OH LAWD)
Anthony: Well it's time for me to go .. are you ready to leave this place?
Woman: (confused) uhhh Yeah.
(I'm definitely not calling your ass)
There was a time when hip hop was about raising conciousness on issues in the community or just showing off your skills on the mic. Those days are long gone and I'm not sure if they will ever return.
The sad part is our generation carries around this convoluted notion that this is epitome of hip hop.
I'm a bit off topic, but about a month ago I'm on a date chilling and we get into the subject about Music. Now I do understand that I differ from my peers, most of them like the SNAP AND POP music. I love the Cooled Out Jazz form of Hip Hop. This is how the script goes .. (or from what I can remember)
Me: I like the elder days of Hip Hop when Jeru The Damaja, Pete Rock and C.L., Tribe Called Quest, Jungle Brothers, Leaders Of the New School, Guru + D.J. Premier, Rakim The Rap God, etc ..
Woman: Soooooooooooooo I take it you don't listen to the radio.
Me: No... I just can't relate to whats being played. I understand that's what everyone likes,but it's just difficult for me to listen to that .. I have to listen to things that I can feel in the Spirit. I love music that makes me think.
Woman: Just because you can't relate to it does not mean you don't have to listen to it. You have no style to you. I don't relate to some of those songs on the radio but I listen to them. You should listen to them as well.
(Que in the Bernie Mac "OH LAWD!!!")
Me: Why should I listen to them? The majority of these artists clearly don't value intelligence.
Woman: Because it's what's in! I mean look around you,you need to get rid of that old stuff you listen to and change your style up.
(OH LAWD)
Anthony: Well it's time for me to go .. are you ready to leave this place?
Woman: (confused) uhhh Yeah.
(I'm definitely not calling your ass)
4north1side2
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If it wasn't for the likes of the dirty south and hyphy movement, you wouldn't have cute white girls doing such dances.
