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chesbaygrl7 said:
Pffft. I can see by that statement that you've read nothing about the man except the latest headlines.
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What I don't do is exalt men beyond their importance, that's reserved for a deity and not a role that fits that character. I also support personal responsibility, which clearly you don't, since you admit to being a person who'd commit criminal acts of vandalism in support of him.

We routinely register our displeasure for those who fail in living up to their positions of trust in every walk of life, at the voting polls, when heads of organizations, whether in business or education, lose their jobs and even ministers...and this "coach" should get a pass, I don't think so.
 
Apparently I'm "weird" because of my tastes in music. Having played the 1812 Overture on my phone in its entirety, not only does it capture the essence of struggle and overcoming adversity, but it's an empowering piece of music. Sadly, not everyone can appreciate such wonders.

A guy I know heard me play this music and all he can say was "You weird. Symphony music?" Shook his head and went his merry way. I didn't pay much attention to him after that, but it baffles me at times that you're surrounded by people who really cannot appreciate the very thing that's universally appealing.

I guess for some people still, you can't be black AND appreciate classical/orchestrated quality music.
 
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swirlman07 said:
What I don't do is exalt men beyond their importance, that's reserved for a deity and not a role that fits that character. I also support personal responsibility, which clearly you don't, since you admit to being a person who'd commit criminal acts of vandalism in support of him.

We routinely register our displeasure for those who fail in living up to their positions of trust in every walk of life, at the voting polls, when heads of organizations, whether in business or education, lose their jobs and even ministers...and this "coach" should get a pass, I don't think so.
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http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/dissent-of-the-day.html
 
Refugee said:
I am glad the board of trustee did not give a dignified chance to JoePa and allow him to finish the season & retire. I am glad they humiliated his sorry ass and fired him over the phone. And all these college kids rioting and crying over Paterno’s termination, fuck ‘em. How many tears did Paterno shed for Sundusky’s victim? Sorry, life is not just about winning football games…..Paterno is like Lombardi for PSU, he could have intevened and stop this shit long ago. This shit was going on since 1998, 17 victims so far.

They should also can Mcquery the quarterback who reported the rape to Paterno; he should have called the cops, or report it to someone... I am sure major law suit is going to come after PSU, you Pennsylvania tax payers better be prepared……
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As a student, and a player, he did the right thing reporting it to Paterno. That is how things like that are supposed to work. As the superior, it was Paterno's job to report it to the police. It was not, technically, the role of the student.
 
TheHuntress said:
As a student, and a player, he did the right thing reporting it to Paterno. That is how things like that are supposed to work. As the superior, it was Paterno's job to report it to the police. It was not, technically, the role of the student.
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I think he was a quarterback when some of the incidents happened but when he saw the shower rape I think he was an assistant coach (I could be wrong) anyhoo, you're right the sole responsibility lays on Paterno. He had the power to confront his friend or go to police.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/dissent-of-the-day.html
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Beyond the fact that the article does little to rehabilitate or cast a much different light on his image, another writer that you didn't reference (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-code-of-omerta-in-the-sex-abuse-scandal.html), and is featured on the same site, goes on to state in part:

The story is unfolding at the speed of sound, not just the worst sports scandal in modern history but also one of the worst scandals in modern history:


A former Penn State assistant coach for 29 years and alleged sexual predator, Jerry Sandusky, apparently continued unchecked because of the failure of university officials and head football coach deity Joe Paterno to do anything that might have made a difference instead of what they collectively did achieve:

Buck-passing and unconscionable cowardice.

Paterno announced in a statement Wednesday that he would retire as head coach at the end of the football season after 46 years. He tried to sound like a humble martyr, but he was selfish and self-serving as usual. With the hubris and arrogance that has been the hallmark of his career over the past decade, the over-the-hill 84-year-old attempted to do an end-run around the Penn State board of trustees, who have been meeting to decide his fate. Paterno was hoping he could forever claim he decided to leave the football program of his own accord. The trustees called his bluff Wednesday night, firing Paterno and university president Graham Spanier.

Paterno is just a part of this whole sordid, shameful disgrace. He is easy to focus on because of his mythic stature, all false idol, as it turns out. But I find myself not caring about him anymore, particularly now that he has been let go.
 
Did you read the grand jury report? Obviously not.

McQuery went into the locker room and heard a "slapping" sound. He went to investigate and saw Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old boy against a wall.

The police should've been there no later than five minutes upon that discovery.

TheHuntress said:
As a student, and a player, he did the right thing reporting it to Paterno. That is how things like that are supposed to work. As the superior, it was Paterno's job to report it to the police. It was not, technically, the role of the student.
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I went through a Tchaikovsky phase, would even listen to The Nutcracker Suite in the middle of July. Check out Mahler's Fifth, especially the fourth movement (Adagietto) and Brahms Third.

BigBrotherWise said:
I guess for some people still, you can't be black AND appreciate classical/orchestrated quality music.
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I bet Herman Cain is grateful for the Paterno incident, as it takes some of the heat off his ass in the current news cycle. I'll be damned if he still isn't polling ahead of "credible" nominees such as Romney. So far he's handled the allegations poorly, but everything else has been truly impressive.
 
satyr said:
Did you read the grand jury report? Obviously not.

McQuery went into the locker room and heard a "slapping" sound. He went to investigate and saw Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old boy against a wall.

The police should've been there no later than five minutes upon that discovery.
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No, I didn't...but still, he was a student. He was right in reporting it to Paterno. Students are always told to report things like that to teachers- whether you're in kindergarten or in graduate school. You report it to the nearest employee of the school or university and they are required by law to report it to the police...even if it's only suspected abuse. Trust me. I reported many things to my supervisors as a teacher, suspicious and confirmed, and they acted on all of them right away because that's how it works when they are children involved.

I'm not saying he SHOULDN'T have called the police, however, if he saw nothing was done, in the end, it would have been a good idea...but, the reality of the situation is that he followed the chain of command, as it were, and told the person who was supposed to do something about it. Paterno dropped the ball, as did the President of the University.
 
satyr said:
I went through a Tchaikovsky phase, would even listen to The Nutcracker Suite in the middle of July. Check out Mahler's Fifth, especially the fourth movement (Adagietto) and Brahms Third.
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Props, any other recommendations would be appreciated. I just downloaded 50 Strauss must have family pieces and The 99 Most Essential Mozart pieces for a total of $4 off Amazon.com

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TheHuntress said:
I'm not saying he SHOULDN'T have called the police, however, if he saw nothing was done, in the end, it would have been a good idea...but, the reality of the situation is that he followed the chain of command, as it were, and told the person who was supposed to do something about it. Paterno dropped the ball, as did the President of the University.
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It seems pretty far fetched that a major University would have a policy of notifying a supervisor, in cases where an employee witnesses a rape or any other serious crime against people or property. I'd have to see it to believe it, as the realities of such a policy weigh against the University's desire to control the flow of information, and for what reason, cover up. Practically, speedy notification would have led to potentially fewer assaults, and in particular a preservation of the crime scene in the rape that was witnessed.

Imagine the lawsuits that will emerge from these incidents and the questions that'll be asked about the responsibility of this employee. What parent would accept the idea that the safety of their children is being compromised when employees witness crimes like sexual assault, kidnapping, beatings, arson, etc, because the witness has to notify a supervisor first.

The harm to the University's reputation, fund raising, new student enrollment and liability are all at stake at this juncture.
 
A good idea or his moral duty, and what is the statute of limitations on that moral duty when you directly witness a ten year old child being sodomized by an adult male and see nothing meaningful done?

In such a blatant instance, screw your protocols and chain of command. If I witness something like that, I'm not calling my daddy or Joe Paterno. The rape ends at that moment and the police are there immediately afterwards.

TheHuntress said:
I'm not saying he SHOULDN'T have called the police, however, if he saw nothing was done, in the end, it would have been a good idea...but, the reality of the situation is that he followed the chain of command, as it were, and told the person who was supposed to do something about it. Paterno dropped the ball, as did the President of the University.
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