Trayvon Martin's Murder

Bliss said:
Well it's not mainstream yet. The cops had to have heard that - they could get him on a hate crime charge alone with that. It proves his intent was never once motivated from fears of a perceived drugged up "criminal" and thus trying to "protect" the area, but a deliberate execution of Trayvon because he saw him simply as an unknown "fucking coon" in the area. My goodness. I don't even think this is manslaughter, more like murder one.
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You could send an e-mail to the Governor, Rick Scott, letting him know that was said in the 911 tape by Zimmerman.
 
Refugee said:
I keep hearing some media refer to Zimmerman as a WM. He ain't white.
Zimmerman is a jewish name. The guy looks like a Yellow Hispanic, either he is a Mexican or Cuban decent, who might be affilated with judism.
The fuker is a nutcase, he called the cops like 40 times over few months. Also he took matter on his own hand when the 911 dispatcher clearly told him to not follow the teen.
He needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent and hang him on the tallest tree branch of Florida.
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Mikey said:
You could send an e-mail to the Governor, Rick Scott, letting him know that was said in the 911 tape by Zimmerman.
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I wonder if his parents know. Sometimes those little whispers get missed. I will reply to the email she sent last week via her petition.

Edit: Sent. I included Fred's link.
 
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I just found another email from his parents in my inbox -this is what it said:

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From: Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton <mail@change.org>
To: ----
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:34 PM
Subject: Our son Trayvon

Dear ---,

Our son didn't deserve to die. Trayvon Martin was just 17 years old when he was shot and killed by George Zimmerman. Trayvon wasn't doing anything besides walking home with a bag of Skittles and some iced tea in his hands.

What makes Trayvon’s death so much harder is knowing that the man who confessed to killing Trayvon, George Zimmerman, still hasn't been charged for Trayvon’s killing.

Despite all this, we have hope. Since we started to lead a campaign on Change.org, more than 500,000 people -- including you -- have signed our petition calling for Florida authorities to prosecute our son’s killer.

Our campaign is already starting to work. Just last night, the FBI and Department of Justice announced they were investigating our son’s killing. Newspapers around the globe are reporting that it’s because of our petition.

But our son’s killer is still free, and we need more people to speak out if we want justice for Trayvon.

Can you please share our petition on Facebook and ask your friends and family to sign?

We aren't looking for revenge, we're looking for justice -- the same justice anyone would expect if their son were shot and killed for no reason. Thank you so much for all you’ve done to support our family.

- Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton

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Bliss said:
You are incorrect about the chloroform - which trial did you watch? Nancy wasn't wrong about Casey - the Jury failed the little girl, "based on the LAW'. Sucks doesn't it. The foreman said it sickened him to sign the not guilty verdict even though in his heart he knew she killed her child. And you "love to see her wrong" on getting a baby's killer to justice? Wow.
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I was watching the case in Orlando(was going to UCF at the time) and not from a city far away. and that cholorform was googled by the Casey's mom instead of what bull crap suggestions Nancy was making.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/06/23...hell-mother-searched-internet-for-chloroform/

That's where Nancy was wrong.

Bliss said:
She was not convicted on the murder of an innocent child (which is all that really counted). All she was convicted of was LYING to the police. Released with time served.
Do you want Zimmerman convicted on lying to the police then? Will that satisfy you? Because if he gets convicted of what Casey did, that's not JUSTICE. We know EXACTLY who killed that child and dumped her in the swamp-lands like a piece of garbage. Tell me: do you know if Zimmerman was indeed defending his life? Because he says he was. A jury might wonder too, Like Casey's did. And you did. Casey blamed her dad, Zimmerman blames Trayvon. Anyone can play the devil's advocate in these cases.
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She was convicted on at least one charge. I am pointing out that they got her at least on those charges and she didn't walk scott free. again misinterpreting what I am typing to your own point. I mean would you have felt better if she walked scott free(of course not).
To post a pic as if she just strolled on in was found innocent then strolled on out isn't all truthful. That's why I pointed out that they did try to stick anything they could and got what they had evidence for. At least, they got her on something. You need evidence. I'm not saying that is innocent but you need proof like say saying you killed the person(Zimmerman did that) or being told not to confront(zimmerman went to confront). All of this pointing that the law is not on his side.
I find out hilarious how someone who says that the law is on zimmerman's side. asking me if that will satisfy me. Remember I was the one pointing out that it was on the kid's side. I never understood that point. You can clearly hear from the tapes the law is not on his side. But whatever. :smt018


Bliss said:
Do you not think the Black Militia wanting to go make an arrest on him isn't turning it into a circus? Right here in my city, we have murdered young Black youth whose killers freely walk the streets, never arrested, because witnesses WON'T SNITCH. Cops know their names, faces, but can't do shit. Where is that Group to come arrest these murderers that kill over and over with impunity?
Intervention creating a circus? People asked President Obama to get involved. He responded with "No, it's a local and State enforcement issue." When you ask the President to intervene, the laws of that State become magnified, as does the protection of them.
In our hearts we know Zimmerman is lying through his teeth, but it has to be PROVEN. You know, like in Casey's case. Somehow I'm betting if Nancy whom you hate wanted Zimmerman's head, you would hope she got it.
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If that black militia goes in there (FLORIDA with the previous law stated), it will be a gun battle and the militia will be the ones confronting him. They are not that idiotic. Zimmerman is though. Which is why the law is NOT on his side.

You have misinterpreted my previous post.
 
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Refugee said:
I keep hearing some media refer to Zimmerman as a WM. He ain't white.
Zimmerman is a jewish name. The guy looks like a Yellow Hispanic, either he is a Mexican or Cuban decent, who might be affilated with judism.
The fuker is a nutcase, he called the cops like 40 times over few months. Also he took matter on his own hand when the 911 dispatcher clearly told him to not follow the teen.
He needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent and hang him on the tallest tree branch of Florida.
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what????
and miss our chance to bring back old sparky.

naaa bring old sparky back from retirement lol.
 
archangel said:
I was watching the case in Orlando(was going to UCF at the time) and not from a city far away. and that cholorform was googled by the Casey's mom instead of what bull crap suggestions Nancy was making. You are completely misinterpreting what I am posting. and don't know the case about the chloroform.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/06/23...hell-mother-searched-internet-for-chloroform/

That's where Nancy was wrong. Don't jump to conclusions about my comments.
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No conclusions, you said "I hate nancy grace...I love to see when she is wrong. Especially about the chloroform"
Nancy was not wrong. Those searches for Chloroform were made. She and many others may have speculated it was Casey but she was not "wrong". And that's certainly not "bullcrap suggestions" to consider it was Casey goggling, particularly since a bodyguard depoed that Casey once told her that she used Chloroform to get high in the club. (In case you don't believe it's a club drug) -

http://www.troubledteen.us/inhalants.php
Neither they nor their parents are aware that sniffing could kill a child using for the first ... nitrous oxide ("whippets") are often sold at concerts and dance clubs. ... Inhalants include ether, glue, chloroform....

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Livingston High School teacher, Japhia Huhndorf arrested for letting her kids sniff chloroform[/B]...
http://www.streetdigest.com/2011/05...ds-sniff-chloroform-and-making-nitroglycerin/


I watched the mother's testimony. All of it. And for two years the mother NEVER told anyone - not the police, not in her deposition - until her bombshell testimony on the stand that day that it was her. And that she was actually researching chlorophyll - Uh, for what?..In bamboo? Chlorophyll, it isn't even in bamboo. How were minute traces of Chloroform found in the trunk of Casey's car then? Go ahead and Google chlorophyll it doesn't even show Chloroform links, in fact you have to manually click chloroform in a drop bar to even see Chloroform links, let alone headers on "how to make it".

Please don't insult the public's intelligence by expecting us to believe her mother repeatedly researched "how to make homemade Chloroform", along with "how to break a neck" because (as she said) "she saw a YT video of a kid on a skateboard break his neck" - please now. She did it to spare her child from a death penalty.


archangel said:
She was convicted. I am pointing out that they got her at least on those charges and she didn't walk scott free. again misinterpreting what I am typing to your own point. I mean would you have felt better if she walked scott free. At least, they got her on something.
read my post. It was to point out that she didn't simply walk scott free.
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Arch, she DID essentially walk away scott-free. She did "time served" for the lying to cops concurrently while in jail on her cc fraud conviction. My point to you was 'so what" if she got "convicted" and for lying no less. That wasn't justice for Caylee and it sure wouldn't be for Trayvon, either.
 
Bliss said:
No conclusions, you said "I hate nancy grace...I love to see when she is wrong. Especially about the chloroform"
Nancy was not wrong. Those searches for Chloroform were made. She and many others may have speculated it was Casey but she was not "wrong". And that's certainly not "bullcrap suggestions" to consider it was Casey goggling, particularly since a bodyguard depoed that Casey once told her that she used Chloroform to get high in the club. (In case you don't believe it's a club drug) -
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That is where she is wrong. The speculation! You(Nancy) lead people on to something that is not true. I never said that she didn't say there was a search. Irrelevant information to move off point of her speculating something that was found to be the mother performing a search.


Bliss said:
http://www.troubledteen.us/inhalants.php
Neither they nor their parents are aware that sniffing could kill a child using for the first ... nitrous oxide ("whippets") are often sold at concerts and dance clubs. ... Inhalants include ether, glue, chloroform....

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Livingston High School teacher, Japhia Huhndorf arrested for letting her kids sniff chloroform[/B]...
http://www.streetdigest.com/2011/05...ds-sniff-chloroform-and-making-nitroglycerin/
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again this is irrelevant information to the fact that she speculated incorrectly. No one is arguing if the search was done or if they knew about chloroform. The argument is if that speculation was true. It was not.

Bliss said:
I watched the mother's testimony. All of it. And for two years the mother NEVER told anyone - not the police, not in her deposition - until her bombshell testimony on the stand that day that it was her. And that she was actually researching chlorophyll - Uh, for what?..In bamboo? Chlorophyll, it isn't even in bamboo. How were minute traces of Chloroform found in the trunk of Casey's car then? Go ahead and Google chlorophyll it doesn't even show Chloroform links, in fact you have to manually click chloroform in a drop bar to even see Chloroform links, let alone headers on "how to make it".

Please don't insult the public's intelligence by expecting us to believe her mother repeatedly researched "how to make homemade Chloroform", along with "how to break a neck" because (as she said) "she saw a YT video of a kid on a skateboard break his neck" - please now. She did it to spare her child from a death penalty.
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Again This has nothing to do with breaking a neck. It has to do with Nancy's speculation that was not found to be true. Her kid was not going to get the death penalty either way. They did not have the evidence. You could see it from a million miles away. Nobody seeing it happen. No video tape. Nothing. You need evidence. Of course none of this has anything to do with evidence that Nancy was correct on her speculation. What we have is a mother under oath saying that she did it over any one having googled it. We also have a prosecution that choose to lie about the search and state it was done over 50 times when it was found to have been done far less. A lot of sources say that it was done once. It is entirely possible for a nurse to look that up once. If she did lie that would be perjury. Yet the courts choose not to prosecute her. You know why? because it is possible for someone with a science background to research chloroform. Bad speculation by nancy.



Bliss said:
Arch, she DID essentially walk away scott-free. She did "time served" for the lying to cops concurrently while in jail on her cc fraud conviction. My point to you was 'so what" if she got "convicted" and for lying no less. That wasn't justice for Caylee and it sure wouldn't be for Trayvon, either.
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It isn't essentially walk away scott free. A slap on the wrist yes!
but not scott free.
Like saying 1+1 is essentially 3. No, It isn't. You got to stick to the truth. You and I both know she went to prison. That's a fact. Light sentence yes! but no essentially walk away scott-free
 
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archangel said:
That is where she is wrong. The speculation! You lead people on to something that is not true. I never said that she didn't say there was a search. Irrelevant information to move off point of her speculating something that was found to be the mother performing a search.


again this is irrelevant information to the fact that she speculated incorrectly. No one is arguing if the search was done or if they knew about chloroform. The argument is if that speculation was true. It was not.



Again This has nothing to do with breaking a neck. It has to do with Nancy's speculation that was not found to be true. Her kid was not going to get the death penalty either way. They did not have the evidence. You could see it from a million miles away. Nobody seeing it happen. No video tape. Nothing. You need evidence. Of course none of this has anything to do with evidence that Nancy was correct on her speculation. What we have is a mother under oath saying that she did it over any one having googled it. We also have a prosecution that choose to lie about the search and state it was done over 50 times when it was found to have been done far less. A lot of sources say that it was done once. It is entirely possible for a nurse to look that up once. If she did lie that would be perjury. Yet the courts choose not to prosecute her. You know why? because it is possible for someone with a science background to research chloroform. Bad speculation by nancy.
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Once again Arch, just because her mother lied on the stand, it does not make Nancy's speculations wrong. Know why? Did you witness the cross-testimony of Cindy?...She was at work during the times of the searches.
At work.
So you see, she wasn't home at the time, because co-worker after co-worker as well as her Boss testified UNDER OATH that Cindy was working alongside them. So no, she did NOT do the searches, Arch. Nancy was indeed right.

While it was actually uncomfortable and sad to see Cindy lie, it was understandable (though she lied while her granddaughter lay cold). Even though you say Casey was never going to get the DP, a mother would never risk it just because you see it from a mile away. She did what she felt she had to do. I think my mum would do the same. Wouldn't yours?

It was a documented fact that the DA considered charging her with perjury after the trial, eventually declining and issuing a statement on it. I'm sure the State spending as much as they did on Casey only to lose, along with putting her mother through a trial for wanting to protect her daughter was likely to them cost prohibitive and seen as futile.



archangel said:
It isn't essentially walk away scott free. A slap on the wrist yes!
but not scott free.
Like saying 1+1 is essentially 3. No, It isn't. You got to stick to the truth. You and I both know she went to prison. That's a fact. Light sentence yes! but no essentially walk away scott-free
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Saying she did no actual time for the lying to the police is not putting 1+1 =3! ON paper it said she served time, but SHE DID NOT GO INTO PRISON for that crime to serve it when she was sentenced, since she had already done time for ANOTHER crime.. Do you get that??
It's akin to saying that if Zimmerman gets convicted for lying and having already done the time for a previous crime and thus given credit for time served - we can then be satisfied he was convicted and served time for it. (as if that somehow also connects to the punishment for the murder of Trayvon).

Because remember, all this goes back to Aliona saying,
"..You can't pull such a heinous crime against a child and get away with it. not when it's so high profile."
When I pointed out Casey (which she completely agreed with), you said "No, Aliona was correct, because Casey was convicted on several charges". Do you understand that those convictions did NOT pertain to the heinous murder of her child?
Could you imagine if you attempted to pull off that assessment to negate non-punishment for the killing of a child if Zimmerman was found not guilty of Trayvon's death?? It would never fly, just like it doesn't fly here now. I told you way back in post #126 that Casey was NOT convicted for the heinous crime against a child and it still stands in this one. Frankly, it is you who should stick to the truth.
 
blk4ww said:
Black people are quick to join hands with white people to demonize other black people like this Kony propaganda bullshit. But white folks are MIA in joining hands with black people in getting justice with this racist Zimmerman asshole. I noticed that white people aren't to quick demonize other white people when it involves black injustices. Of course the Anderson Coopers of the world might mention it but im talking about the masses. Where's the "Zimmerman 2012" campaign? And why black people down there in Florida haven't ran in that son of bitches house and yanked him up out of that bitch is beyond me. Where's all these "kill Kony" celebrities? They're silent as church mouses.
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Very true. Cosign
 
blk4ww said:
Black people are quick to join hands with white people to demonize other black people like this Kony propaganda bullshit. But white folks are MIA in joining hands with black people in getting justice with this racist Zimmerman asshole. I noticed that white people aren't to quick demonize other white people when it involves black injustices. Of course the Anderson Coopers of the world might mention it but im talking about the masses. Where's the "Zimmerman 2012" campaign? And why black people down there in Florida haven't ran in that son of bitches house and yanked him up out of that bitch is beyond me. Where's all these "kill Kony" celebrities? They're silent as church mouses.
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What an absolute bunch of hogwash. White people are MIA? Every show I see, every radio station I listen to, every comment I read online, it is White people right alongside Black people who are simply outraged over Trayvon's death. Half a million signatures in a few days should speak volumes to you. In the same week Trayvon was killed, a 12 yr-old Kansas child walking home from school was confronted by two Black teens who attempted to murder him by dousing him with gasoline and setting him on fire, taunting "This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy.” The victim's father is pleading for justice but this never even went national. No white people or Black people have joined hands on this heinous crime, but I'm sure you don't give two shits about it, or do you?.
 
Bliss said:
What an absolute bunch of hogwash. White people are MIA? Every show I see, every radio station I listen to, every comment I read online, it is White people right alongside Black people who are simply outraged over Trayvon's death. Half a million signatures in a few days should speak volumes to you. In the same week Trayvon was killed, a 12 yr-old Kansas child walking home from school was confronted by two Black teens who attempted to murder him by dousing him with gasoline and setting him on fire, taunting "This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy.” The victim's father is pleading for justice but this never even went national. No white people or Black people have joined hands on this heinous crime, but I'm sure you don't give two shits about it, or do you?.
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Do we need to? Were the kids not arrested?
 
Bliss said:
Once again Arch, just because her mother lied on the stand, it does not make Nancy's speculations wrong. Know why? Did you witness the cross-testimony of Cindy?...She was at work during the times of the searches.
At work.
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She clocked in. My boss clocked in today and went home. My boss's boss clocked in and went to go pick his kids. People do this often in their jobs. This is not the first time on the planet that someone can clock in and go home. She specifically states this. You need literal video of her being there not simply clocking in.Any one and I mean any one can do this. Remember she needs to do it once not over 50 times that the prosecutor lied about.

Bliss said:
So you see, she wasn't home at the time, because co-worker after co-worker as well as her Boss testified UNDER OATH that Cindy was working alongside them. So no, she did NOT do the searches, Arch. Nancy was indeed right.
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I see that her boss looked at the log ins. Not that she was there. Give me a link on this one. I need to hear or read that she was there with her all the time at that job. Not simply I can verfiy that she logged in and I saw her log in. Because I have a co worker that does this. Log wait a couple of minutes and go. Nothing special.

cloaking in does not mean you were at your job. There have been plenty of cases where a person planned a murder and clocked in as a defense. That' the problem. That would mean that you would believe that clock in. Clocks in don't prove that you were there the whole entire time . They prove that you clocked in.

Bliss said:
While it was actually uncomfortable and sad to see Cindy lie, it was understandable (though she lied while her granddaughter lay cold). Even though you say Casey was never going to get the DP, a mother would never risk it just because you see it from a mile away. She did what she felt she had to do. I think my mum would do the same. Wouldn't yours?

It was a documented fact that the DA considered charging her with perjury after the trial, eventually declining and issuing a statement on it. I'm sure the State spending as much as they did on Casey only to lose, along with putting her mother through a trial for wanting to protect her daughter was likely to them cost prohibitive and seen as futile.
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Yes, they did consider it. She literally lied to the police that she didn't do the search. She said that she didn't do the search at first and then changed her story in court. That's perjury. For them to consider it, they would have to believe that she is lying about not doing it.
The speculation still doesn't match with the fact that anyone could have done it with access to the computer. That's the problem. It is hard to prove that you are in front of your computer right now unless on camera or something.

Bliss said:
Saying she did no actual time for the lying to the police is not putting 1+1 =3! ON paper it said she served time, but SHE DID NOT GO INTO PRISON for that crime to serve it when she was sentenced, since she had already done time for ANOTHER crime.. Do you get that??
It's akin to saying that if Zimmerman gets convicted for lying and having already done the time for a previous crime and thus given credit for time served - we can then be satisfied he was convicted and served time for it. (as if that somehow also connects to the punishment for the murder of Trayvon).
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Don't forget zimmerman would have to pay a fine that he would not have paid if he was not convicted. Again not scott free.


This section is about scott free and not about serving little time meaning scott free. Honestly in this statement, you even mention her serving some time. This is not scott free. She also paid fines for the lies. This was not part of her previous sentence. She wouldn't pay them if she was scott free though.You got to admit to her having done somthing for the lies. The fines is a a good start sinc those fines are only attributed to the crime of lying. . If she wasn't found guilty of ANYTHING then she got off scott free. This did not happen. This is why it is not scott free. I will agree she went to jail and not prison but that still means she was found guilty and went to jail and paid the fines. look at like this. Would she have had the fines if she was innocent? were those fines there before she was found guilty?
 
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blk4ww said:
? And why black people down there in Florida haven't ran in that son of bitches house and yanked him up out of that bitch is beyond me.
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because black people ain't stupid enough to go confront. Go the legal route and place him in prison.

If it was any state without that one rule, I'd(no I'm joking. go the legal route) agree with you but there will be no trial if you confront someone. Hence why Zimmerman is guilty.
 
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