Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners' Names and Addresses

andreboba said:
No one called you an Uncle Tom or implied you had no appreciation for the Civil Rights struggle.:rolleyes:

When you say to someone if they don't like the laws as they are, they should leave the country, that 'love it or leave it' attitude was the mindset of many segregationists towards the North.

Just because you disagree with a law(s) or a part of the Constitution doesn't make you un-American.

Stop putting words in people's mouths.
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I did not say you should leave the country. I jokingly asked Tarshi to let you come stay with her because mabe you will like that better, after all you are the one complaining and sounds like she is happy with the environment that you claim you want. Being stabbed to death is so much better than being shot right? :smt102 As for the bolded part of you statement above :shock:
 
goodlove said:
Im telling you and him.......2nd amendment rights (constitution for that matter) were for whites not blacks.
so to talk about infrigemenent thats a joke.

to act like all those people who are upset want you in on the deal.....thats a laugh.
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So what premise was the civil rights movement based on if not to allow constitutional rights to black people?
 
I had this fucked up dream this morning involving myself dressed as a cowboy and there was this cowgirl outlaw that wanted to have a shooting contest with me. Well, I agreed to it, and we went out into the streets. Well, the 2nd Amendment, written in blood was attached to the sky somehow.

Anyway, I was about to draw my gun, until she dropped her pants. She had the prettiest little vagina I've ever seen in my life. Not only it had pussy cheeks, but they were red enough to make you melt in awe. Then...I saw a little baby hand creeping out the opening, holding a gun and proceeded to shoot me. I ran around the corner and then the cowgirl followed behind me. The baby's hand then dropped a little lower and then this botched head plopped out there, looking like something from Aliens.

I ran to another corner and then saw this alien gun and it stabbed me in my wrist, causing it to be synchronized. I switched it to Abort and then fired at the gun-wielding fetus and it shriveled up and the cowgirl exploded. Then I woke up.

The End.
 
The Dark King said:
And you apparently don't have the most basic of read comprehensions. He said that the founding fathers never said anything about a tyrannical government and I showed him they did say that and then he acted like he meant something else. How is that not back peddling? Explain.
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This really is potato vs potato.

Somethings just have to include common sense.

Most obviously, the founding fathers wouldn't think that it would be the new formed government making the rules.

Like DUH and stuff.

They were dealing with a tryrannical government based in ENGLAND...the place that the pilgrams escaped from..
to have more freedom in their government.

In our 200ish years as a country with our own governing body, how many times has any civilian (or a group of them) needed to bring down the whole entire govenment because of tyranny?

And tell me again, You, bliss, beasty and WHAT army is going to stand up against the most powerful military in the world with your semi automatics and your two glocks and whatever else you bring to the overthrow the party?

Good luck with ALL of that.

:smt069
 
andreboba said:
Pro gun people seem to be more concerned with the echo of their own thoughts.

No assault weapons that can be modded to burst fire. No high capacity magazines. All sales require a mandatory background check. All firearms have to be registered.

That's been my position throughout.

I have personal opinions about guns in general and think Americans are too wedded to their firearms, but whatever.

About that Thomas Jefferson quote TDK, I had a 'weird' feeling about because until recently I'D NEVER HEARD IT BEFORE.

Maybe because this alleged quote attributed to Jefferson,

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty," reads the quotation. "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

is A BOLDFACED LIE!!! made up by the NRA and ultra right to brainwash the masses.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/11/opinion/jefferson-fake-gun-quotation/index.html


You fear the government??
Maybe you should fear those who would distort and lie about the history of the Founding Fathers to further their own economic and political agenda.

Scared people buy guns. The NRA and the gun industry want all Americans to be VERY scared....of everything. Especially the federal government.

Honestly I don't trust shit the NRA says. Matter of fact I hold them and the KKK on the same level of veracity.

Think critically in all things, not only those opinions you don't agree with.
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Level headed argument indeed..if you are a member of the NRA..


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*catches breath*
NO

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/quotations
 
Alinoa said:
This really is potato vs potato.

Somethings just have to include common sense.

Most obviously, the founding fathers wouldn't think that it would be the new formed government making the rules.

Like DUH and stuff.

They were dealing with a tryrannical government based in ENGLAND...the place that the pilgrams escaped from..
to have more freedom in their government.

In our 200ish years as a country with our own governing body, how many times has any civilian (or a group of them) needed to bring down the whole entire govenment because of tyranny?

And tell me again, You, bliss, beasty and WHAT army is going to stand up against the most powerful military in the world with your semi automatics and your two glocks and whatever else you bring to the overthrow the party?

Good luck with ALL of that.

:smt069
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How about slavery? Cant think of any greater tyranny than to be considered 3/5 of person by the country you live. Its also not about overthrowing anything its about having the powwr to fight back even ob a small scale. But hopefully youre complwte and utter blind faith in goverment agents with guns will always protect you and keep ypu safe.
 
The Dark King said:
You are absolutely wrong on that one:

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

"The tank, the B-52, the fighter-bomber, the state-controlled police and military are the weapons of dictatorship. The rifle is the weapon of democracy. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military. The hired servants of our rulers. Only the government-and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws." (Edward Abbey, "The Right to Arms," Abbey's Road [New York, 1979])

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)
"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

Laws that "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants"forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. - Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
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WTF TDK??

This 'quote' from TJ is bogus too.
You're in no position to check anyone in this discussion because you're posting some straight up garbage from Thomas Jefferson that HE NEVER SAID.:shock:

You're calling me 'full of shit'?? A chump?? 'Unsupported facts and shitty logic'??:toimonster:

For real dude, if you post TWO bogus quotes from the author of the Declaration of Independence, you really aren't qualified to be participating in this convo.:smt019

Bliss and Beasty keep patting you on the back and you don't have enough common sense to recognize when the sources you are citing are bullshit.:smt011

You may have issues with GL style, but his facts are on point.
You've backed up much of your posts in this thread around these two phoney TJ quotations.

How many times do you get to discredit yourself before you aren't taken seriously about the framers of the Constitution position on gun rights??

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Really, you owe GL an apology.:smt048
 
Its the same quote you pointed out that I conceded to smart guy. Post 403
Try to keep up, you are making a fool of yourself.
You are so desperate to make a point you just keep shooting yourself in the foot. Its ok little buddy, I think its time for a nap.:D

I am honestly surprised by you. You usually show greater intelligence in these threads, but on this topic you and Goodlove are on the same level and that really doesn't speak well of you. Brighten up baby boy.
 
andreboba said:
(post #402)
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About that Thomas Jefferson quote TDK, I had a 'weird' feeling about because until recently I'D NEVER HEARD IT BEFORE.

Maybe because this alleged quote attributed to Jefferson,

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty," reads the quotation. "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

is A BOLDFACED LIE!!! made up by the NRA and ultra right to brainwash the masses.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/11/opinion/jefferson-fake-gun-quotation/index.html


You fear the government??
Maybe you should fear those who would distort and lie about the history of the Founding Fathers to further their own economic and political agenda.

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The Dark King said:
I googled it and you're right its a fake but please show me the citation and source where it was made up by the NRA sir. ..........

Glad you ignored the other quotes I put up but here are some more. Oh btw knock it off with the NRA propaganda. No one here is advocating for them, no one here is a member as far as I know so why do you bring them up?
Because some of us agree with maintaining our second ammendment right?

"Let me add, that a bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular; and what no just government should refuse or rest on inference." -Thomas Jefferson: Letter to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787

"The right of the citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possilble." - Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey

"...Arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace." -Thomas Paine

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt, 1783

What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789

"As the military forces which must occasionally be raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article (of amendment) in their right to keep and bear their private arms." -- Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

- Thomas Jefferson, in letter to William S. Smith, 1787

I bet the NRA MADE THIS UP TO HUH BOBA:smt066
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andreboba said:
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WTF TDK??

This 'quote' from TJ is bogus too.
You're in no position to check anyone in this discussion because you're posting some straight up garbage from Thomas Jefferson that HE NEVER SAID.:shock:

You're calling me 'full of shit'?? A chump?? 'Unsupported facts and shitty logic'??:toimonster:

For real dude, if you post TWO bogus quotes from the author of the Declaration of Independence, you really aren't qualified to be participating in this convo.:smt019

Bliss and Beasty keep patting you on the back and you don't have enough common sense to recognize when the sources you are citing are bullshit.:smt011

You may have issues with GL style, but his facts are on point.
You've backed up much of your posts in this thread around these two phoney TJ quotations.

How many times do you get to discredit yourself before you aren't taken seriously about the framers of the Constitution position on gun rights??


Really, you owe GL an apology.:smt048
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AndreBoba, TDK did NOT say the quote twice -- you tried to call him on it twice, once in your post #402 and again tonight in post #511......is what happened. If you did this on purpose, then I think you owe TDK an apology for trying to make it seem like he said two different incorrect quotes. :cool:

If you did it because you are mentally fatigued by your gun-grabbing, then you should concede your error like TDK was man enough to. :smt069

ps: you still didn't answer TDK and show proof the NRA said it. :yawinkle:


The Dark King said:
Its the same quote you pointed out that I conceded to smart guy. Post 403
Try to keep up, you are making a fool of yourself.
You are so desperate to make a point you just keep shooting yourself in the foot. Its ok little buddy, I think its time for a nap.:D

I am honestly surprised by you. You usually show greater intelligence in these threads, but on this topic you and Goodlove are on the same level and that really doesn't speak well of you. Brighten up baby boy.
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Frankly, I think AB and GL need to calm down, take a chill pill and re-examine their stance.
 
BTW, here is a very similar quote to the one people are saying Jefferson never said. So in effect, he is saying...to keep your liberty one must watch out for tyranny. Damn.

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."

-(Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787, in Papers of Jefferson, ed. Boyd et al.)
 
Bliss said:
BTW, here is a very similar quote to the one people are saying Jefferson never said. So in effect, he is saying...to keep your liberty one must watch out for tyranny. Damn.

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."

-(Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787, in Papers of Jefferson, ed. Boyd et al.)
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Stated that one already and have yet to here a rebuttal from Boba. Dude just wants to believe he's right despite facts to the contrary.
 
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights."
(Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States; With a Preliminary Review of the Constitutional History of the Colonies and States before the Adoption of the Constitution [Boston, 1833])

(take note AB and GL ^^^)

"You are bound to meet misfortune if you are unarmed because, among other reasons, people despise you....There is simply no comparison between a man who is armed and one who is not. It is unreasonable to expect that an armed man should obey one who is unarmed, or that an unarmed man should remain safe and secure when his servants are armed. In the latter case, there will be suspicion on the one hand and contempt on the other, making cooperation impossible."
(Niccolo Machiavelli in "The Prince")
 
The Dark King said:
How about slavery? Cant think of any greater tyranny than to be considered 3/5 of person by the country you live. Its also not about overthrowing anything its about having the powwr to fight back even ob a small scale. But hopefully youre complwte and utter blind faith in goverment agents with guns will always protect you and keep ypu safe.
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Of all the things that actually prove unsafe (hmm guns come to mind) is it really necessary to live my life in fear of things that most likely won't ever hurt me?


If that's your thing though..
Have fun being paranoid.
 
Alinoa said:
Of all the things that actually prove unsafe (hmm guns come to mind) is it really necessary to live my life in fear of things that most likely won't ever hurt me?


If that's your thing though..
Have fun being paranoid.
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What are you talking about you loo. Are you trying to say that slavery wasnt tyranny?
 
Andrew Cuomo is done and so are all his pals. They are going way overboard. I cant eait to see how this plays out since its going to effect Remmington which is based in NY. And registering bullets? Voters arent going to be cool with this. Its not effecting just NYC its effecting all the upstate people too.
 
The Dark King said:
Andrew Cuomo is done and so are all his pals. They are going way overboard. I cant eait to see how this plays out since its going to effect Remmington which is based in NY. And registering bullets? Voters arent going to be cool with this. Its not effecting just NYC its effecting all the upstate people too.
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Are you still posting from your smartphone? My posts lately have been from my LG phone and it's been a nightmare trying to post.
 
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