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The Dark King said:
Bad example. Neo was had to only contend with an earth based machine not one that had the knowledge of 10000 worlds. Also Neo had a support team and the Matrix had its attention focused on millions of other running human minds where as brainiac only had superman to focus on. But I do agree with your premise about the movie people need to take it for what it was a new spin on an old story.
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How does having the knowledge of 10000 worlds make Brainiac invincible some how? That's like saying that someone with a genius level IQ that has read every book in the world on martial arts & hand to hand combat is now the most dangerous person in the world simply because they have all that fighting knowledge. Without training, conditioning and actual combat experience to go along with the knowledge it means nothing. What makes great fighters is the experience they gain & what they learn from it to add to the knowledge they already have allowing them to grow & become better. Brainiac doesn't grow or learn. He just collects vast amounts of knowledge and uses it when necessary. Logic, even machine logic is flawed in the same way as simple human logic. The fact that he believes collecting & gaining all of this knowledge makes him superior is in itself flawed logic.
 
Ra said:
How does having the knowledge of 10000 worlds make Brainiac invincible some how? That's like saying that someone with a genius level IQ that has read every book in the world on martial arts & hand to hand combat is now the most dangerous person in the world simply because they have all that fighting knowledge. Without training, conditioning and actual combat experience to go along with the knowledge it means nothing. What makes great fighters is the experience they gain & what they learn from it to add to the knowledge they already have allowing them to grow & become better. Brainiac doesn't grow or learn. He just collects vast amounts of knowledge and uses it when necessary. Logic, even machine logic is flawed in the same way as simple human logic. The fact that he believes collecting & gaining all of this knowledge makes him superior is in itself flawed logic.
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Dude learning is the collection of knowledge and if you have vast knowledge you have so many ways to address a problem. That means knowing thousands of ways to kill a carbon based organism like superman but the story doesn't operate on logic it operates on no matter what superman wins.
 
The Dark King said:
Dude learning is the collection of knowledge and if you have vast knowledge you have so many ways to address a problem. That means knowing thousands of ways to kill a carbon based organism like superman but the story doesn't operate on logic it operates on no matter what superman wins.
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Still didn't answer the question. There are plenty of people in real life walking around with vast pools of knowledge so how come problems don't get address like they should if that's the simple answer to everything? There are plenty of other villains capable of killing Superman who don't have the vast knowledge of Brainiac, so why is Brainiac so seemly unbeatable to you?
 
*Yawn*

Your statement is as poor as thinking that omniscience = omnipotence. It doesn't work that way. You may have the knowledge, but you lack the power to perform it. Take a basic philosophy class, then come back to me. Or better yet, observe the world around you for a more realistic example on this whole matter.

The Dark King said:
Dude learning is the collection of knowledge and if you have vast knowledge you have so many ways to address a problem. That means knowing thousands of ways to kill a carbon based organism like superman but the story doesn't operate on logic it operates on no matter what superman wins.
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Ra said:
Still didn't answer the question. There are plenty of people in real life walking around with vast pools of knowledge so how come problems don't get address like they should if that's the simple answer to everything? There are plenty of other villains capable of killing Superman who don't have the vast knowledge of Brainiac, so why is Brainiac so seemly unbeatable to you?
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Morning Star said:
*Yawn*

Your statement is as poor as thinking that omniscience = omnipotence. It doesn't work that way. You may have the knowledge, but you lack the power to perform it. Take a basic philosophy class, then come back to me. Or better yet, observe the world around you for a more realistic example on this whole matter.
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Both of you are ignoring basic logic on this one. An entity capable of interstellar travel and has not only acquired the knowledge of 10000 worlds but has successfully destroyed them along with all their inhabitants is being stopped by one single carbon based creature who has only been around for thirty something years. In order to defeat these other civilizations he would have to have the know how in order to do so. Its a super computer that doesn't require sleep nor rest, food nor water and has absolutely no emotional ties to exploit but yet Superman can beat him by himself every time? Come on guys.
 
Here's the issue here: you're not using logic. If you even bothered watching Superman: Unbound instead of mouthing off like you normally do, then you'd see the bigger picture. A computer isn't capable of experiencing things, but has the knowledge of its surroundings. When Superman figured out that Brainiac NEVER leaves the ship, he exploited a fundamental flaw in this whole debacle: lack of experience. The failure to realize that knowledge continues to evolve as civilizations do.

In other words, Brianiac isn't much of a supercomputer. It destroys whatever knowledge it fails to comprehend or could never experience.

Now, should I use elementary English next time or is this appropriate for you to comprehend?

The Dark King said:
Both of you are ignoring basic logic on this one. An entity capable of interstellar travel and has not only acquired the knowledge of 10000 worlds but has successfully destroyed them along with all their inhabitants is being stopped by one single carbon based creature who has only been around for thirty something years. In order to defeat these other civilizations he would have to have the know how in order to do so. Its a super computer that doesn't require sleep nor rest, food nor water and has absolutely no emotional ties to exploit but yet Superman can beat him by himself every time? Come on guys.
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Morning Star said:
Here's the issue here: you're not using logic. If you even bothered watching Superman: Unbound instead of mouthing off like you normally do, then you'd see the bigger picture. A computer isn't capable of experiencing things, but has the knowledge of its surroundings. When Superman figured out that Brainiac NEVER leaves the ship, he exploited a fundamental flaw in this whole debacle: lack of experience. The failure to realize that knowledge continues to evolve as civilizations do.

In other words, Brianiac isn't much of a supercomputer. It destroys whatever knowledge it fails to comprehend or could never experience.

Now, should I use elementary English next time or is this appropriate for you to comprehend?
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If you can't be respectful then don't engage in conversation with me kid. Its not worth the headache.
Any way Brainiac seems to be biomechanical meaning he does experience life and in other media he does in fact leave the ship. Take the justice league cartoon for example, he was on earth and had it not been for the other members of the league superman would have lost. There's a plethora of ways he could have killed Superman. A gravity gun to limit his speed and power and a kryptonite gun to finish the job. That's just one that comes to mind. Logically the AI should be beaten by one carbon based life form.
 
So a human can't beat a machine because it's too logical? Didn't some chess champ back in the 1990's beat the Deep Blue computer in a couple of matches as well as play it to a draw in a few as well?
 
Your knowledge of the superhero ethos is very much limited to your lack of knowledge, son. So, I'll humor you with a fundamental explanation. First off, the Superman: TAS and Justice League incarnations of Brainiac originated as a supercomputer from Krypton. The brainaics they've encountered were nothing more but androids stemming from a central computer, in which what Brainaic continues to be. This is where your understanding falls short. He was always a central computer entity that only has a form of a cube with three circles indication its own existence. Superman fought Brainiac alone numerous times actually.

Now in the comics, you could make the case of him being a Coluan scientist by the name of Vril Dox I and a very bright scientist at that, came to the planet Krypton, took the capital of Kandor with it, by shrinking it down, in which the biomechanical aspect comes into play. But there is one thing you're critically overlooking: he lost any level of humanity because he never looked to himself as anything but an alien "supercomputer" devoted to collecting data and destroying planets in the midst of it all.

Also, exploring the parts of Brainiac...it doesn't care about killing Superman as much as using him for gathering knowledge and killing him outright would make his search for knowledge meaningless. Besides, he's too busy understanding the planet itself and not the people much, so how would he know how to exploit Superman anyway?

As for his experience. He never really experienced much of life, similar to an invalid who cannot go outside from his or her home. Once out there, they are exposed to the elements and their weakened immune system would make it harder for them to concentrate or sustain themselves.

The Dark King said:
If you can't be respectful then don't engage in conversation with me kid. Its not worth the headache.
Any way Brainiac seems to be biomechanical meaning he does experience life and in other media he does in fact leave the ship. Take the justice league cartoon for example, he was on earth and had it not been for the other members of the league superman would have lost. There's a plethora of ways he could have killed Superman. A gravity gun to limit his speed and power and a kryptonite gun to finish the job. That's just one that comes to mind. Logically the AI should be beaten by one carbon based life form.
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Little TDK forgot that Watson was beaten by a human after a few games of Jeopardy.

Ra said:
So a human can't beat a machine because it's too logical? Didn't some chess champ back in the 1990's beat the Deep Blue computer in a couple of matches as well as play it to a draw in a few as well?
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Robert Downey Jr. has reached a two-picture deal with Marvel Studios to appear in The Avengers 2 and The Avengers 3 — but notably not for a possible Iron Man 4.The actor, who is currently shooting the legal/family drama The Judge in Massachusetts, says he hopes to launch an entirely different film franchise at some point in the near future, and also notes that at 48, his super-powered fighting days are obviously numbered.
 
Ra said:
Robert Downey Jr. has reached a two-picture deal with Marvel Studios to appear in The Avengers 2 and The Avengers 3 — but notably not for a possible Iron Man 4.The actor, who is currently shooting the legal/family drama The Judge in Massachusetts, says he hopes to launch an entirely different film franchise at some point in the near future, and also notes that at 48, his super-powered fighting days are obviously numbered.
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They can always reboot/recast Ironman with a younger actor. I never understood why movie studios think that superhero movie fans are invested in the actors underneath the masks. For as much as I like RDJ, no actor in a superhero film is unreplaceable. I mean in the modern movie era, we've had three diffrent Supermen, two Spidermen, three Hulks, three Punishers, and four Batmen.
 
Thump said:
They can always reboot/recast Ironman with a younger actor. I never understood why movie studios think that superhero movie fans are invested in the actors underneath the masks. For as much as I like RDJ, no actor in a superhero film is unreplaceable. I mean in the modern movie era, we've had three diffrent Supermen, two Spidermen, three Hulks, three Punishers, and four Batmen.
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Speak for yourself. If they ever rebooted the Matrix no one could play Neo except Reeves. You saw what happened when to they tried it with Conan. Something gs should be left alone. Come up with new ideas.
 
Thump said:
They can always reboot/recast Ironman with a younger actor. I never understood why movie studios think that superhero movie fans are invested in the actors underneath the masks. For as much as I like RDJ, no actor in a superhero film is unreplaceable. I mean in the modern movie era, we've had three diffrent Supermen, two Spidermen, three Hulks, three Punishers, and four Batmen.
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I don't think he or the studios are concerned that fans may have any problems with recasting the Tony Stark/Iron Man role. I think the line of thought was more directed to the fact that he's willing to do two more Avengers flicks but not another solo Iron Man movie. Because that was going to be the big question: Why can you do Avengers movies but not more Iron Man movies?
 
It would be a bit problematic since If they continue with the Iron Man movies and the Avengers at the same time, people (general action-aficionados mainly) would be confused about whether the events of Iron Man coincide with the Avengers.

Ra said:
I don't think he or the studios are concerned that fans may have any problems with recasting the Tony Stark/Iron Man role. I think the line of thought was more directed to the fact that he's willing to do two more Avengers flicks but not another solo Iron Man movie. Because that was going to be the big question: Why can you do Avengers movies but not more Iron Man movies?
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Young Justice

I was completely wrong about the Young Justice cartoon. I initially thought it would be some cookie-cutter animated program, but watching it so far has me interested. It's late in the game, but it's never too late to enjoy a quality made TV show.
 
Morning Star said:
I was completely wrong about the Young Justice cartoon. I initially thought it would be some cookie-cutter animated program, but watching it so far has me interested. It's late in the game, but it's never too late to enjoy a quality made TV show.
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They cancelled it. Still so pissed about it
 
Morning Star said:
I'm aware of that. It could have gone for two more seasons and then end it altogether. But now...it feels like a major cliffhanger.

Well, if Arrested Development can get a revival, so can this show.
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There have been several fan based efforts on various fronts made to try to get Cartoon Network to revive the show for at least one more season. So far they have fallen on deaf ears. The show producers have mentioned that they would love to continue the series even if it's only in the form of occasional straight to DVD mini movies.

And here is the series that Cartoon Network decided needed to be aired rather than continuing Young Justice :


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