Trayvon Martin's Murder

Just going by the evidence: Trayvon was measured at 5ft 11 and weighed 158 pds,
with an estimation of half his blood lost.

Zimmerman was weighed and measured that same night: 5ft 7 and 175pds.

At his arrest 2 months later, he was measured at 5ft 8 and 200pds.




He definitely profiled Martin, he even said it in his call to 911, telling the dispatcher they has a spate of recent break-ins.

GZ's criminal record was covered in the trial:

* He was charged with 'battery upon an officer' after arguing with a cop who arrested his friend, so the cop arrested GZ. Charge was later reduced to “resisting officer without violence”.

* He and his ex filed co-restraining orders against each other, both were granted.

I don't think he feared him either, otherwise why follow him?
On the 911, he expressed concern to the dispatcher to give his address out because he 'didn't know where (TM) was'.
After that, for 4 minutes we don't know what happened until the 911 calls by others began.


The night of the shooting. He was 5'8 and 200 pounds.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-documents.html?_r=0

check page 4 of the police report.

the day of the arrest he was 184 pounds.
http://cfnews13.com/content/dam/new...ents/george-zimmerman-booking-report-0412.pdf
 
Like I said I'm not in here trying to change his or anyone else's mind on anything, but it's clear that's exactly what he's trying to do for whatever reason. It's like he's on some recruitment drive or something.....

I actually take no issue with someone attempting to change my mind on an issue, I just expect a pretty compelling statement as to why I should. However, one completely discredits himself when they take a zealot-like dogmatic approach such as he does and quotes and underlines everything that is said that supports his own stance whilst proclaiming it to be an indisputable truth. While at the same time completely rejecting any possibility of truth in the rebuttal from those who have differing views.
 
Stop addressing dude. His feelings about bm is well noted no matter what argument you have his mind will never change. Let dude live his truth I just hope he never finds himself at the mercy of his masters.

Dude will continue to live his life in the stand-your-ground state of Florida...far from your in Dog-eat-Dog city life of the Bronx, ......Dude will also protect his Business relationships he has forged for 16 years...... if the many whitemen who rely on me for their construction plans and on my professional judgement to sheppard along their structural projects, are all my masters, then I will take my chances and stay on the plantation as a modern day slave.........At least here, un-like your city of 46% of blackmale employment, there is work, if your have skill...... in your city of 7 million, I can also see how easy is can be to get lost and forgotten in the shuffle as a number and as a disgruntled black with a chip on his shoulder......
 
The night of the shooting. He was 5'8 and 200 pounds.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-documents.html?_r=0

check page 4 of the police report.

the day of the arrest he was 184 pounds.
http://cfnews13.com/content/dam/new...ents/george-zimmerman-booking-report-0412.pdf

Thanks. The first link I could view, however my PDF viewer showed dark screen for me. So I looked it up.

Zimmerman's height is reported 5? 7? (1.70 m); and his weight is recorded as being 185 lb (84 kg) on his Seminole County Sheriff's Office Inmate Booking Information dated April 11, 2012

So my error, had it back to front, he was indeed 200pds that night.

I'm also seeing on the police report Trayvon's height at 6ft, 160 pounds. Victim: Juvenile (page 2 of 4)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86400326/trayvon-martin-police-report

So in a nutshell, 3 or 4 inches taller/shorter, 40 pound less/more and 9 yrs younger/older separated them that night. Oh, and a gun.
 
I actually take no issue with someone attempting to change my mind on an issue, I just expect a pretty compelling statement as to why I should. However, one completely discredits himself when they take a zealot-like dogmatic approach such as he does and quotes and underlines everything that is said that supports his own stance whilst proclaiming it to be an indisputable truth. While at the same time completely rejecting any possibility of truth in the rebuttal from those who have differing views.


And he can't figure out why it is he catches heat from just about everyone here. We are just some intolerant individuals here in "Enemy Territory".:smt017
 
Thanks. The first link I could view, however my PDF viewer showed dark screen for me. So I looked it up.

Zimmerman's height is reported 5? 7? (1.70 m); and his weight is recorded as being 185 lb (84 kg) on his Seminole County Sheriff's Office Inmate Booking Information dated April 11, 2012

So my error, had it back to front, he was indeed 200pds that night.

I'm also seeing on the police report Trayvon's height at 6ft, 160 pounds. Victim: Juvenile (page 2 of 4)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86400326/trayvon-martin-police-report

So in a nutshell, 3 or 4 inches taller/shorter, 40 pound less/more and 9 yrs younger/older separated them that night. Oh, and a gun.

The police report literally assigns juvenile to the kid and yet Bookie is fighting to make him look like a man or adult. They further more assign adult to all the adults. Even the police saw him as a non adult.
 
I actually take no issue with someone attempting to change my mind on an issue, I just expect a pretty compelling statement as to why I should. However, one completely discredits himself when they take a zealot-like dogmatic approach such as he does and quotes and underlines everything that is said that supports his own stance whilst proclaiming it to be an indisputable truth. While at the same time completely rejecting any possibility of truth in the rebuttal from those who have differing views.

Jaisee,
Just like your comrade, your are wasting precious time scrutinizing my style..... I will tell you like I told him, don't digress,.... speak to the substance of the piece, what can you refute about those points......
 
Jaisee,
Just like your comrade, your are wasting precious time scrutinizing my style..... I will tell you like I told him, don't digress,.... speak to the substance of the piece, what can you refute about those points......

He can & did refute several points in her piece. And as he has stated you have & will continue to ignore that bit of fact because it doesn't fit your reality.
 
And he can't figure out why it is he catches heat from just about everyone here. We are just some intolerant individuals here in "Enemy Territory".:smt017

Who besides You, Jaisee and TDK am I catching heat from??....I can debate you 3, if you can keep it on topic and...... not personal...
 
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He can & did refute several points in her piece. And as he has stated you have & will continue to ignore that bit of fact because it doesn't fit your reality.

I was going to say something to those words but realised that there is no point
 
Who besides You, Jaisee and TDK am I catching heat from??....I came debate you 3, if you can keep it on topic and...... not personal...

(Sigh)......I have no reason to or interest in trying to debate you, because again since you refuse to acknowledge reality, you keep ignoring that unlike you I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything. Believe what you want. Just stop crapping on everyone else's opinions & views that differ from your own in your futile attempt to prove your perceived superiority.
 
Do you feel better now? :roll:

By our own "shotty" legal system, had it happened the other way around, and Trayvon had killed Zimmerman, Trayvon could have easily (and probably would have) been tried as an ADULT.

He was not a frightened "child". Give me a break. The dude stood at 5'11".

And if you read the transcript of GZ's 911 call, he states that Trayvon ran and he couldn't find him. That sounds like he was out of danger right there.

People are defending Zimmerman on this thread? Where?

Are you referring to me? Because I refuse to get riled up and manipulated by the media and Sharpton? In my personal opinion, this is not a clear cut case of racism. There are too many things that are just unknown about how Martin and Zimmerman ended up fighting and one getting killed.

And had Zimmerman been black, there would be no media coverage, no Al Sharpton and no President Obama speaking about Trayvon's death. They wouldn't even know about it.

I'm just really tired of the hypocrisy of the "outrage" at this murder. Like Trayvon's life was more important than the thousands of innocent African-Americans being shot and killed on the streets of every major city in this country on a daily basis.

But because they're shot by gang members, the media doesn't give a shit about them. They can't make money off of peoples' clicks on their websites with those stories.

Remember Hadiya Pendleton? She made news for what, like a week after her murder? But the media stopped showing her picture because she was killed by a gang member. There was no Obama claiming that Hadiya could have been his daughter. Michelle Obama was not out saying that Hadiya could have been her 35 years ago. Why? Because she had the "unfortunate luck" of being killed by a gang member. So somehow, her death weighs less than Trayvon's.

Their business booms if they continue keeping racial tensions alive and kicking.

There are absolutely, without a doubt, clear-cut cases of white racism on blacks, but in this case, in my personal opinion, it's ambiguous at best. If Zimmerman had uttered a racial slur on the 911 call, I'd be more inclined to say otherwise, but I don't think it's that simple to just claim racism in this particular case.

Am I defending what Zimmerman did? Not by a long shot, but I'm hesitant to jump on the racism bandwagon with this one. So therefore, my opinion differs from others. Last time I checked, I was allowed to form my own opinion on this matter.

I don't know about you, but when I was a teenager, I was afraid of and respectful of grown men, regardless of whether I was taller or not. Even now, I can pretty well assess true menace and am not quick to try someone just because they're shorter. I'm 6'0" and I know plenty of diesel 5'8" grown men who will kick my ass. And I'm a grown man myself.

Just because someone agrees with you does not make it the 'truth'.

The main issue that I see within this thread is that you have Camp A vs. Camp B, both with their own viewpoints and no room for compromise or level headed discussion between the two.

It would be great if the conversation could stay elevated above personal attacks and hostility. I try not to insult the people on the rightwing of the political spectrum. If I have, it was never my intent.
 
This is what George Zimmerman looked like the night he killed Trayvon.

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I don't know about Florida, but MS-13 is a major Latino gang presence in Northern Virginia and D.C. I've always said that IMO Zimmerman looked like a straight up 'banger with the shaved head, goatee and red jacket he was wearing.

Nothing about him says neighborhood watch captain. Trayvon was right; George looked like a big time fucking CREEP.

There's no way I would be calm knowing this character was following me.

According to Zimmerman, the only word he said to Trayvon was 'nope'.
Do people really think Trayvon should have calmly explained to this stranger why he was in the neighborhood and given him his address for reference??lol

From my experience when you roll up on a stranger and you DON'T SPEAK and you're in too close in their personal space, a fight is about to go down.

Zimmerman whether he realizes it or not did everything to provoke a confrontation that night, which is exactly what he got.

There's no way Trayvon Martin was the more intimidating presence that night.
 
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I love how no one understands our historically-shaped challenges, pathologies and deficiencies, but they understand perfectly the Irish v. English oppression, the Poles v. Russians & Germans, the Yugoslavian ethnic tension leading to the meltdown in the 90s. Their violence and social breakdown make sense. Ours? Oh we're just effing animals. Or we're not taking 'responsibility' for ourselves.
 
Dude will continue to live his life in the stand-your-ground state of Florida...far from your in Dog-eat-Dog city life of the Bronx, ......Dude will also protect his Business relationships he has forged for 16 years...... if the many whitemen who rely on me for their construction plans and on my professional judgement to sheppard along their structural projects, are all my masters, then I will take my chances and stay on the plantation as a modern day slave.........At least here, un-like your city of 46% of blackmale employment, there is work, if your have skill...... in your city of 7 million, I can also see how easy is can be to get lost and forgotten in the shuffle as a number and as a disgruntled black with a chip on his shoulder......

The lady doth protest too much lol
 
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