Macy's Security Has Arrest Quota, 'Race Code system' For Nonwhite Shoppers

[Loki]

:smt038even if only one person was educated...he more than likely shared his experience with a few others...

True Lippy, I agree with what you are saying above, however, think about what I had to go through. The officer basically admitted that he stopped me based 'only' on my skin color, and the fact that 'he' thought I looked out of place (read suspicious criminal) in my own damn car and my own damn neighborhood. If I was just average joe regular citizen with no contacts to put the fear of God in him, he would probably still feel justified.

Just curious as to your TSA experience, did you have a knee replacement or knee surgery? I know my father in-law gets stopped just about every time due to the metal in his replacement knee joint setting off the alarms every time he goes through security.

 

[Ches]

I will share this, due to my political connections I did file a complaint and when some of the higher ups in local government heard what happened to me, they arranged a private sit down with the officer who stopped me that night. As you might imagine he was falling all over himself apologizing, yet at first he still tried to meekly 'justify' his stopping me by bringing up a string of burglaries in the area. When I asked him how many thieves are dressed in a suit and tie and obeying all traffic laws, it looked like he was about to cry. I don't know to this day if he 'got' the fact that it was humiliating and infuriating to be stopped in your own car in your own neighborhood, and have your neighbors (who saw me being stopped) ask you the next day "why were you stopped?" But he left that meeting in fear for his job and I would be willing to bet he will think twice in the future about stopping someone for 'driving while Black'. Now I never asked for him to be fired, just that he attend some further diversity training (and that's what happened), but the fact is if I did not have the contacts I have, filing a complaint through the regular channels would have most likely never amounted to much.

I'm sorry you had to go through that, Loki. How humiliating. I would wager a bet that every guy on here has gone through a similar thing. But how embarrassing to go through it in front of your neighbors.

 

[4north1side2]

I'm sorry you had to go through that, Loki. How humiliating. I would wager a bet that every guy on here has gone through a similar thing. But how embarrassing to go through it in front of your neighbors.

You would lose, I can't think of any day I was knowingly profiled. Actually when I was younger I was very charming, convincing, and disarming and stole so much shit right in front of people's faces who didn't even know it.

 

[lippy]

True Lippy, I agree with what you are saying above, however, think about what I had to go through. The officer basically admitted that he stopped me based 'only' on my skin color, and the fact that 'he' thought I looked out of place (read suspicious criminal) in my own damn car and my own damn neighborhood. If I was just average joe regular citizen with no contacts to put the fear of God in him, he would probably still feel justified.

Just curious as to your TSA experience, did you have a knee replacement or knee surgery? I know my father in-law gets stopped just about every time due to the metal in his replacement knee joint setting off the alarms every time he goes through security.

noooooooooooooo..they just like touching me:smt102...it drives me crazy! I do not wear any jewelry either when I am headed to the airport as a time saver...

 

[Hypestyle]

horrible policies. I'm glad I don't shop there to begin with. Macy's, Gimble's, Barney's, Lord & Taylor, etc. Not my thing.

 

[arbncdt1]

I have been racially profiled. There are times when racial profiling is necessary. I do not permit racial profiling to destroy my life. I have bigger issues to concern myself with.

 

[The Dark King]

file a complaint...sue them...follow through and make change...these people have to do their jobs...period end of story...you can't make change if you just join a forum and complain about every damn thing that happens to you while being black...

this topic is about stealing and stores having quotas...just because macys is the store in question doesn't not mean that every department store in the usa with a loss prevention department isn't also using a quota system (I would be surprised if they didn't)

without a video of the people in question shopping I can't tell you if they displayed suspicious behavior...or if they were targeted unfairly...if they win their case they send a message...good for them for speaking up about the injustice that was done to them...I hope they win lots of money in their settlement and then spend it somewhere else

TDK...you like to twist things around and when the opinion doesn't match yours all of a sudden that person must not really like black people...forgive me for having a mind of my own and not following a mob mentality

in sales you can't win...I read through the data that loki presented and it is a catch 22 for a customer service representative...

offer to help a black person = you are watching them
do not offer to help a black person = can a black person not get any help around here

be too helpful = you think i'm stealing
don't help = you don't think I have any money

:smt081it's funny and then it's not funny and then when you really think about it...you are walking on egg shells

I rarely neg rep people but one is coming your way via me the "angry black man"
You are the personification of what is wrong with oblivious assholes. You say you wouldn't be surprised if every department store had a loss prevention quota which in essence wouldn't bother me. The issue at hand is when its clearly TARGETING JUST BLACK PEOPLE AND BLACK PEOPLE ALONE. That is what this article/thread is about.
It's a discussion acknowledging the fucked policies of Macy's and hopefully the boycotting of their stores by people of color.
I didn't twist anything around you are trying to justify the shitty behavior post after post as if we should be good little black people and understand the plight of people in retail and why they are forced to harass people just because they are black. Its not just looking for suspicious behavior of any patron visiting the store but its specifically targeting people just because they are black.
How do you not see something wrong with that way of thinking. Especially since you supposedly date and love bm.

 

[The Dark King]

I have been racially profiled. There are times when racial profiling is necessary. I do not permit racial profiling to destroy my life. I have bigger issues to concern myself with.

Who said anything about letting it destroy your life? You can recognize it as being wrong more often than not correct?

 

[The Dark King]

I would rep you if my phone browser didn't do this funky zoom im thing when i go to rep. Lol complain about everything that happens to you while being black. Lol like i said before i think dude generally dislikes white people in general. He likes white women but only the type that would go to a black panther rally and believe the same way he does on racial issues I.e. everything negative that happens to us black people must somehow be traced back to evil whitey. Drugs in the black neighborhood? Whitey. Black incarceration? Whitey. Didn't get that job? Whitey. No promotion? Whitey.

What is wrong with you? Why is any critique of the system or policy that specifically targets blacks just for being blacks wrong to you?
And where do you get that I dislike white people or any people for that matter?
White people are getting fucked by the system too but that's not the topic at hand. You don't see anything wrong with being detained based on your skin tone and nothing else?

 

[1449225]

I have been racially profiled. There are times when racial profiling is necessary. I do not permit racial profiling to destroy my life. I have bigger issues to concern myself with.

I've heard it all now. Please explain when it's ok to profile somebody based on their skin color,race or ethnicity...go ahead,I'll wait.

 

[Stumper]

I've heard it all now. Please explain when it's ok to profile somebody based on their skin color,race or ethnicity...go ahead,I'll wait.

You quietly sit down in your seat on your redeye into La Guardia....across the aisle from you sits three middle eastern men, all speaking in a language you don't know with carry on bags....

I'm sure you're ok with that.

 

[1449225]

You quietly sit down in your seat on your redeye into La Guardia....across the aisle from you sits three middle eastern men, all speaking in a language you don't know with carry on bags....

I'm sure you're ok with that.

Unlike you I'm not a scary ass person. Does TSA's borderline sodomy 'security procedures' not make you feel safe enough? But seriously,can somebody tell me when it's legitimate to profile somebody based on their race,skin tone or ethnicity?

 

[The Dark King]

THe system is stupid and fucked you know what's even more stupid and fucked? Knowing the system is stupid and fucked and letting it fuck you......

Its all over our posts that you generally dislike whites and see anyone one of them as racists before you even know them. Maybe youre just tempered Maybe you have seen more racism than i have.....who knows....... But that's the way your posts come across. As if you don't like them and looks at them all as prejudice and they would have to prove you as not prejudice before you change your mind. A lot like the racist and prejudice whites you so loathe.

Of course its wrong to be detained based on skin colour but its also easy to get detained based on suspicious behavior. Do i agree with it? Nah of course not.

You like many dummies see the word WHITE or THE SYSTEM and swear I;m talking about WHITE PEOPLE and that's never ever been the case.
Lippy is not new so me seeing her bs for what it is isn't based on some knee jerk reaction to a new poster I don't like. You may be new to the party but this bs ain't new.
And if you don't agree with the behavior why do you feel compelled to voice an opinion that makes it seem like anyone who speaks out against it is some how embodying victim behavior.
I obviously don't have any issue with white people and there has never been anything to suggest that I only get along with white people who are extremist like the Black Panthers. I have no idea where you got that shit from.
When I see bs I speak on it and the vast majority of you have no problem with it when I'm speaking on behalf of shit you agree with. I'm never racist or hate white people then or whining or embodying victim behavior.

 

[arbncdt1]

Who said anything about letting it destroy your life? You can recognize it as being wrong more often than not correct?

With all due respect, that would depend on where I am and what I am doing.

I am not attempting to antagonize you.

I have traveled to many countries; therefore, I will racially and culturally profile, in order to figure out a person's country of origin, especially if that person is an attractive female, with a big gluteus maximus and breasts (What can I say? My testosterone levels are always high, and my wife knows I look and do not touch, because that is how I got her!)!

For example, if I am in a war zone, I would racially and culturally profile, in order to determine friend or foe. If I were to detain someone, who I suspected of being my foe (using racial and culture profiling), then I discover he or she is a non-combatant. From that non-combatant's position, I have inappropriately racially and culturally profiled, and that non-combatant would be correct with his or her position; however, I needed to racially and culturally profile, in order to survive.

If I were alone walking on the southside or westside of Chicago, which are the high crime areas of Chicago, and I see three young adult AA males walking toward me, and they are not dressed in business attire, at 1:00 am on a Saturday morning, I am profiling and thinking 'thug'/'enemy'/'ensuing confrontation'. Am I wrong? Yes and no. If the three young adult AA males were to attack me, then my profiling is correct; yet, I am wrong, because there is no reason for me to be walking in a high crime area, at that hour. If the three young adult AA males were to cause me no harm, I am wrong. From the position of the three AA males, and I should not be alone on the streets, on the southside or westside of Chicago, at 1:00 am, and who am I to judge?

Once again, I am NOT attempting antagonize you. I have learned and I am learning to suffer in silence, forgive, and proceed in life, because I have committed wrongdoings to others, of which I have been the victim.

 

[arbncdt1]

You like many dummies see the word WHITE or THE SYSTEM and swear I;m talking about WHITE PEOPLE and that's never ever been the case.
Lippy is not new so me seeing her bs for what it is isn't based on some knee jerk reaction to a new poster I don't like. You may be new to the party but this bs ain't new.
And if you don't agree with the behavior why do you feel compelled to voice an opinion that makes it seem like anyone who speaks out against it is some how embodying victim behavior.
I obviously don't have any issue with white people and there has never been anything to suggest that I only get along with white people who are extremist like the Black Panthers. I have no idea where you got that shit from.
When I see bs I speak on it and the vast majority of you have no problem with it when I'm speaking on behalf of shit you agree with. I'm never racist or hate white people then or whining or embodying victim behavior.

I am not stating you are wrong or right. I am stating to return to the principles of Bushido. Learn to bear insults with dignity and humility, while treating others with compassion. Verbal attacks and physically attacks can cause harm; yet, more often than not it is our ego that is attacked. Once again, I am not stating you are right or wrong.

Real victory is attained, when no attack is delivered and no one has suffered in battle, verbal or physical.

 

[Beasty]

THe system is stupid and fucked you know what's even more stupid and fucked? Knowing the system is stupid and fucked and letting it fuck you.....

:smt043:smt043:smt043 The irony of this comming from a black man that hates black people. :smt043

 

[The Dark King]

I am not stating you are wrong or right. I am stating to return to the principles of Bushido. Learn to bear insults with dignity and humility, while treating others with compassion. Verbal attacks and physically attacks can cause harm; yet, more often than not it is our ego that is attacked. Once again, I am not stating you are right or wrong.

Real victory is attained, when no attack is delivered and no one has suffered in battle, verbal or physical.

Real victory when people are free from senseless persecution. I believe we can do better and should do better

 

[4north1side2]

horrible policies. I'm glad I don't shop there to begin with. Macy's, Gimble's, Barney's, Lord & Taylor, etc. Not my thing.

Vote with your dollars folks. Unfortunately certain people only respect the almighty dollar so the only way for these people to start treating others fairly is to never shop in their place of business in the first place.

I rarely neg rep people but one is coming your way via me the "angry black man"
You are the personification of what is wrong with oblivious assholes. You say you wouldn't be surprised if every department store had a loss prevention quota which in essence wouldn't bother me. The issue at hand is when its clearly TARGETING JUST BLACK PEOPLE AND BLACK PEOPLE ALONE. That is what this article/thread is about.
It's a discussion acknowledging the fucked policies of Macy's and hopefully the boycotting of their stores by people of color.
I didn't twist anything around you are trying to justify the shitty behavior post after post as if we should be good little black people and understand the plight of people in retail and why they are forced to harass people just because they are black. Its not just looking for suspicious behavior of any patron visiting the store but its specifically targeting people just because they are black.
How do you not see something wrong with that way of thinking. Especially since you supposedly date and love bm.

Great post.

 

[lippy]

I rarely neg rep people but one is coming your way via me the "angry black man"
You are the personification of what is wrong with oblivious assholes. You say you wouldn't be surprised if every department store had a loss prevention quota which in essence wouldn't bother me. The issue at hand is when its clearly TARGETING JUST BLACK PEOPLE AND BLACK PEOPLE ALONE. That is what this article/thread is about.
It's a discussion acknowledging the fucked policies of Macy's and hopefully the boycotting of their stores by people of color.
I didn't twist anything around you are trying to justify the shitty behavior post after post as if we should be good little black people and understand the plight of people in retail and why they are forced to harass people just because they are black. Its not just looking for suspicious behavior of any patron visiting the store but its specifically targeting people just because they are black.
How do you not see something wrong with that way of thinking. Especially since you supposedly date and love bm.

your rep means nothing and is worth nothing...you couldn't buy a gallon of milk with it...the majority of that rep has been granted to you by living in your mother's basement and posting 24/7...you are insignificant to me...therefore what you say means nothing and has no value...apparently I live rent free in your head:smt003

 

[lippy]

THe system is stupid and fucked you know what's even more stupid and fucked? Knowing the system is stupid and fucked and letting it fuck you......

Its all over our posts that you generally dislike whites and see anyone one of them as racists before you even know them. Maybe youre just tempered Maybe you have seen more racism than i have.....who knows....... But that's the way your posts come across. As if you don't like them and looks at them all as prejudice and they would have to prove you as not prejudice before you change your mind. A lot like the racist and prejudice whites you so loathe.

Of course its wrong to be detained based on skin colour but its also easy to get detained based on suspicious behavior. Do i agree with it? Nah of course not.

:smt023repped