Star Wars

Discussion in 'In the Media' started by Thump, Dec 13, 2015.

  1. Ra

    Ra Well-Known Member

     
  2. SilverSmith

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  3. Skaddix

    Skaddix Well-Known Member

    Wasnt that impressed doesn't look like they plussed it for the Movie @SilverSmith

    Honestly the reconquest of Mandolorian Home World should have been the movie.
    Like when Demon Slayer does this show to Movies transition...the movie is focusing on the most high octane parts of the series.
     
  4. SilverSmith

    SilverSmith Well-Known Member

    Mustering excitement about anything Star Wars-related nowadays feels like a chore. I'm on the fence about seeing it in theaters; I'll wait until the second trailer drops.
     
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  5. ryanpaulstewart

    ryanpaulstewart Well-Known Member

    Didn’t watch this entire video, but the gist of it seems to be something I agree with. The failure to deliver Finn’s narrative is the central failure of the trilogy. Rey should’ve gone dark side in last Jedi and redeemed in Rise of Skywalker. Disney went with internet bullshit instead of proper storytelling. Rey was a superficial and shallow attempt at feminism. Last Jedi and Rise are unwatchable
     
  6. ryanpaulstewart

    ryanpaulstewart Well-Known Member

    This looks very underwhelming - are they changing up the strategy, budgeting for a moderate, box-office success?
     
  7. SilverSmith

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  8. Skaddix

    Skaddix Well-Known Member

    Kathleen Kennedy was just obessed with Adam Driver and is resentful of Star Wars especially Luke. So of course she took the route to do her Dark Romance and Destroy Luke.

    Finn should have been the unknown who rises from Zero (Stormtrooper) to Hero (Jedi). Rey should have always just been Luke's Daughter since she ended up a Skywalker anyway. It would also explain why she is so OP. Kylo just mindwiped his cousin instead of killing her and had her dumped on a desert planet.
     
  9. breanna03

    breanna03 Well-Known Member

    tbh i think kylo's motivations are a little more complex than just mindwiping rey. i think kylo was torn between his loyalty to the dark side and his connection to his family. maybe he was less resentful and was just reacting to the pain of the internal conflict.

    overall i think the writers were trying to bring fresh perspectives, but it does seem like the OG characters were sidelined in the process
     
  10. Thump

    Thump Well-Known Member

    The problem with the writer's attempt at a fresh perspective was that it wasn't earned through on-screen storytelling; the time gap and missing story between episode 6 and episode 7 meant they needed to reestablish Luke, Leia, and Han's stories before shaking things up.

    Top Gun: Maverick was a sequel with a huge time gap that showed how to do it right. In that movie, they showed that the people from the first movie had lives and adventures in between, but nothing too world-changing happened. It also introduced a new younger cast without throwing the older character(s) out like dirty dishwater.

    Episode 7 should have been Luke, Leia, and Han's story, with Rey, Finn, and Poe as support, and in episode 8, those 3 became the leads.
     
  11. breanna03

    breanna03 Well-Known Member

    ok yeah facts for sure, it would have been nice to see more of Luke, Leia, and Han's journeys. you're right about the time gap and and I also agree about top gun, the new movie did a great job of respecting the OG characters while moving things forward. all in all @Thump I think your criticism is well deserved. if I were involved in the next movie I would maybe find a way to put flashbacks in there and show how Luke, Leia, and Han evolved during the time gap between 6 and 7. I don't know, that's kinda clunky too. they missed an opportunity.
     
  12. ryanpaulstewart

    ryanpaulstewart Well-Known Member

    Outside of recouping their four billion dollar purchase of Lucasfilm, Disney didn’t have a story to tell. As poorly organized and executed as they were, the prequels had a purpose
     
  13. Skaddix

    Skaddix Well-Known Member

    Kathleen said they didn't have any source material to adapt despite Star Wars having multiple NYT Bestsellers, Award Winning Comics and Critically Acclaimed Videogames that could be adapted from. Hell they got around to doing that eventually with Thrawn.

    But yeah its egregious to make a Trilogy with No Plan. Hell J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson actively undermined each other. And defenders will be like Lucas didn't have a plan but for one it was still his creative vision all the way through and he didn't know he get a trilogy at the start. Whereas Kathleen Kennedy and Co knew that they would have it.

    Still at a fundamental level turning a Boy Brand into a Girl Brand doesn't work. That is not to say you cannot have cool female characters in Star Wars or Marvel but the Focus should be on the dudes something like 60-40 at Worst.
     
  14. Ra

    Ra Well-Known Member


    This is exactly what the last trilogy should have been. Updating the audience on what happened to the protagonists of the original trilogy after the defeat of the Empire and closing out their story, especially if they were going to introduce a new cast of protagonists & supporting characters for movie franchise centric stories going forward.

    And the blame doesn't all fall on Kathleen Kennedy. It falls on ALL the studio heads whose only concern is profit no matter what rather than putting out overall good product/content to earn said profit.
     
  15. Skaddix

    Skaddix Well-Known Member

    Right like in Episode 7...I would have absolutely had some party with all the OG Heroes whose actors are still alive celebrating what 40 Years since the Victory over the Empire. Very good opportunity to introduce their kids, wives, and what they are doing now. Then the plot kicks off...maybe the party gets attacked as new threat reveals itself or Han heads off to investigate something. I think Harrison probably does want to die so have him go out like how Abrams had Kirk's father go out in Star Trek in a Blaze of Glory.
     
  16. SilverSmith

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