3000 Hondurans plan to charge U.S Border

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bliss, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    not everyone has an internet or tv a lot of these folks are going based on faith
     
  2. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member


    Believe it or not, back in the day movements were organized without digital tech.

    Just because these people aren't plugged in doesn't mean this march wasn't by design.

    They know who our POTUS is, so why come to the border in the thousands at the same time time and expect they're going to be given entry??

    Part of me thinks there are political interests who want to see if they can provoke the U.S. military to respond to this mass migration with deadly force.
     
  3. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    The same reason so many Cubans came here on poorly built rafts. The same reason why the poverty stricken left Europe. The same reason why anyone anywhere does stuff like this where they are is so much worst for them.
    We live pretty comfortably so the concept of strapping all your wordly possessions and going to Canada is unthinkable. But If you had war lords and stark unemployment at your back you might think differently.
     
  4. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    The difference is they didn't ALL come by the thousands at one time.

    That's the planning part I'm talking about.

    When 4-7K people are marching towards our southern border, there's something strategic going on.

    I almost think Mexico and other Central American nations want to provoke Trump to see if he would use military force to turn back all these migrants.
     
  5. Madeleine

    Madeleine Well-Known Member

    They learned it from what they saw on TV happening in Europe.
     
  6. ColiBreh1

    ColiBreh1 Well-Known Member

    For the folks who have critical of how Trunp is handling illegal immigration, I need y'all to be clear, what should Trump do when this invading migrant army gets to the U.S. border? Should we just allow them in & allow them to have same privileges as the illegal immigrants already in the country?
     
  7. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Defiant migrants turns down Mexico's offer of work visas, health care and housing as caravan presses on with relentless march towards the US.
    'We're heading north!

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    • Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto said that migrants wishing to obtain temporary identification documents, jobs or education for their children could do so by registering for asylum in southern Mexico

    • To qualify for the scheme he called 'Estas en Tu Casa' ('Make Yourself at Home') migrants had to be in the southern states of Chiapas and Oaxaca, Pena Nieto said
    • Mexico's government has said that more than 1,700 people in the convoy have registered for asylum, while others have returned home

      • But on Friday, a resilient crowd in Arriaga said 'thank you' before adding that they were still going to head 'north' for the border
      'Our goal is to make it to the (U.S). We want passage, that's all'
      • 'Our goal is not to remain in Mexico,' Oscar Sosa, a 58-year-old man from Honduras said.
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    I'm assuming the people who are actively welcoming them here and want to let them in carte blanche, have told them how horribly racist America is. Why the hell then would they want to come here over Mexico?
     
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  8. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    Trump and the federal government should do what we always do with apprehended illegal immigrants; if they don't have an asylum case, process them and send them home. This time don't take the babies away from their parents.

    There's a reason why illegals don't try to slip into the country with thousands of other illegals at the same time, it makes it much more likely you're going to be caught by Border Patrol.

    This is a stunt more than anything else.

    IMO at the end of the day I think we're going to find out this exodus was organized by some outside groups.
     
  9. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

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    Curious. Who are these people? No passport. No proof of country. No medical vetting. No criminal vetting.
    Who are they to just come here and scatter? Why do they circumvent our laws when tens of thousands who follow the law and waiting FOR YEARS and get no help, are pushed back to the end of the line, while these unknown people have all the services waiting for them by the law-flouting Democrat groups.


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    Honduran, Teodozo Melendez, 31, was also waiting for a bus back home....
    'I thought it would be easier,' Melendez said, lying on the ground.

    Melendez's goal had been to join relatives living in Houston. His experience with the caravan had taught him one thing, he said: 'The next time, I'm going to need a 'coyote,'' or smuggler.

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    The group's representatives demanded 'safe and dignified' transportation to the capital Monday after the group arrived in the Oaxaca state town of Niltepec.

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    Thousands of immigrants broke through the border fence between Guatemala and Mexico and crossed to Mexican territory Sunday

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    A smaller second caravan of Central Americans stormed into Mexico.

    Mexican Interior Secretary Alfonso Navarrete Prida lamented what he called a second 'violent attempt' to storm the border, accusing people of placing the elderly, pregnant women and children at the front, putting them at risk of being crushed.

    The Interior Department said in a statement that two Hondurans ages 17 and 22 were arrested Monday when one of them tried to shoot at police in the town of Ignacio Zaragoza, near the Hidalgo border crossing. It said the Glock failed to fire, and no agents were injured.

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    Reports of pipe bombs were also thrown.

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    The standoff at the riverbank followed a more violent confrontation on the border bridge over the river Sunday night, when migrants threw rocks and used sticks against Mexico police.
     
  10. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    From a Honduran..

    "I am Honduran, and no, my native country is not invading the US.

    The vast majority of the people who have been born in Honduras are law-abiding citizens, like myself, who, in order to travel or settle abroad, ask for visas to the countries we go.

    This horde (very accurate term) has its origin right inside the US, the Democratic Party to be precise. Non-Governmental Organizations funded by the Democratic Party, recruited members of the socialist-communist party of Honduras, called LIBRE.

    These people launched a social media campaign to start the so called "caravan". All the participants are being given money, being fed, and, also, being transported in vehicles along their journey, all paid by Democrats. They have also been promised by the Democratic National Committe US$5,000 when they cross the Mexican-American border, a guaranteed job, and free housing for one year.

    Now, let us not forget that the political crisis in Honduras is in direct relationship with the fact that the US imposed the actual president, who, according to the Honduran Constitution, was not allowed to re-elect himself. I also recognize that there is no legitimate reason to break the law in any country.

    About the burning of my beloved Old Glory, which I love as much as my Honduran flag, I can assure you that yet the communists here have burned American flags before, none of them has ever painted a swatiska on them before their burning. These must be more Democrat-indoctrinated infiltrated people who do it in order to gain attention from the mainstream media.

    I would really like you to consider all this, please, because it hurts me to see how the name of my native country, which I will love and cherish for the rest of my life despite the fact I also love the US dearly, is being slandered when it is not a "Honduran Invasion" but more like a "Democratic-Party-Staged" Invasion.

    The caravan/ horde reportedly has $30 million in funding. ... This invasion has been in the planning stage for months.

    “The caravan is organized by a group called Pueblo Sin Fronteras, ut the effort is supported by the coalition CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project, which includes Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLIN), the American Immigration Council (AIC), the Refugee and Immigration Center for Education and Legal Services (RICELS) and the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AIL1A) – thus the acronym CARA,” WND reported. “At least three of the four groups are funded by George Soros’ Open Society Foundation.”
    “It was also stressed that there are deep ties between this left-wing activism attacking the border and corporate and foundation sponsorship, as Pueblo Sin Fronteras has been recognized as a member of the National Day Laborer Network – a group affiliated with United for Justice and Peace, Caravan Against Fear and the Freedom Road Socialist Organization.” Sorros funding."

     
  11. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    Bliss, report what you find, but God's sake please avoid posting unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

    The DNC is not publicly or privately behind this exodus. If you think about it, it doesn't make sense for the DNC to do this because it would only highlight the immigration issue for the midterms, which is a net negative for Dem candidates.

    Why would the DNC do something that would make it harder for its candidates to WIN elections???

    If anything, it's right wing groups and the RNC that want this spectacle of thousands of immigrants on our Southern Border so they came blame the Dems for (incorrectly) supporting open borders.

    This exodus is a month away from reaching our southern border anyway, so why is the POTUS screaming about wanting to deploy 15K military troops at the border?? Because he wants illegal immigration to look like an INVASION and to scare the American public.

    You see who benefits from this kind of negative publicity and scare tactics??

    The Dems want immigration to be invisible, not on the front page of every newspaper and the lead story for cable news.

    Don't be so gullible because of your ideology.

    IMO it's several Latin American countries who are behind this caravan done so to embarrass the president. You notice how many countries have allowed these thousands of refugees to pass freely through their own borders as long as they're headed to the U.S.??

    That's called an organized plan.
     
  12. ColiBreh1

    ColiBreh1 Well-Known Member

    Looks like Mexican citizens don't want them Honduran migrant army either:






     
  13. ColiBreh1

    ColiBreh1 Well-Known Member

    As of Yesterday, the migrant army has reached the U.S. Border & are trying to bumrush in. All of the left-leaning mainstream media outlets are quiet about this:





     
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  14. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    90-95% of the migrants are men looking to work and/or gang bang??lol


    Come on dude.

    It's crazy though. I don't know what they were told, but what did they expect to happen once they made it to the U.S. border??
     
  15. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    Of course we cannot just allow this caravan to enter, that would open the floodgates. There are no easy answers in this situation as it is, asylum seekers must follow the process like everyone else. President Obama was VERY tough on illegals and while I dont like Trump's rhetoric surrounding this caravan and other illegals, he is right to protect the border, cant have a country without borders. The only long term solution to this is the home countries improving and providing for their own citizens, again, $174 million just from the US in the last 2 years in aid to Honduras, I dont know how much more from other countries/UN. Where and how is that money being spent, tracked, used to make things better, to provide security, safety, and economic opportunities for Hondurans so they dont have to walk thousands of miles in desperate search of a somewhat decent life.
     
  16. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Liberals say Immigration Enforcement is Racist, but the Group most likely to Benefit from it is Black Men

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    "..Claims that immigration enforcement equals racism ignore the reality that the group most likely to benefit from a tougher approach to immigration enforcement is young black men, who often compete with recent immigrants for low-skilled jobs...

    This dynamic played out recently at a large bakery in Chicago that supplies buns to McDonald’s. Some 800 immigrant laborers, most of them from Mexico, lost their jobs last year after an audit by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). The Cloverhill Bakery, owned by Aryzta, a big Swiss food conglomerate, had to hire new workers, 80% to 90% of whom are African American. According to the Chicago Sun Times, the new workers are paid $14 per hour, or $4 per hour more than the (illegal) immigrant workers..."

    Full story...
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...3A0cJfY8oVkZL9aBO_NxSMvrkrbCRXwixguDF3ocNyDYA
     
  17. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    This isn't the whole story. They tried to "bumrush" after the legal point of entry where people fleeing an oppressive country are allowed to seek asylum. When you make statements like you just did you paint an incorrect and dangerous narrative.
     
  18. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    This isn't a win for African Americans, this is a momentary inconvenience for corporations. As soon as they can automate this all becomes moot and we're in a far more dangerous situation. Don't take your eyes off the prize people. Immigrants are not the problem they are a symptom of a much bigger issue that right wing conservatives are either too invested or too blind to actually talk about. What happens when its no longer offshoring or other people taking jobs. What happens when its a machine? Who's at fault then? Who are you worried about then?
     
  19. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    That's so easy for you to say "isn't a win", but I bet you're not paying the bills of the 800 men who now have a job.

    You say don't take your eyes off the prize when that's what Republicans have been saying about the influx of immigrants. The big picture is they're being brought here in order to create votes for the Democrats. Do you think these politicians are affected financially by having the local and immigrant peons scrounge and fight for jobs while they live as 1%'rs behind residental WALLS?

    In order to maintain their Lifestyles they need votes and the only way they can get them is just to import them. Grant them special privileges where they can circumvent our laws, even at the expense of African-Americans, because they know for a fact that that the AA vote is a given.
    This is what Candice is talking about @ you need to show them that your vote can't be taken for granted.

    Seriously, they don't have to deal with the day-to-day living amongst the workforce. They literally go to work in chauffeured vehicles that we pay for, spend their days in a protected bubble in DC, they go to the finest restaurants, they return to live in luxury residences that again are protected. They're so out of touch and they love their lifestyle. Thus, they will do whatever it takes to maintain that. Wake up already.


    ** As for robots taking all our jobs, whatever dude. The Left don't care, except thatl they can't vote, so l'm sure the Left will want to recognize them as a "people" and give them the right to vote via 'their' owner. SMH.
     
  20. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    What are you talking about, TDK? They're NOT asylum seekers. Stop the LIES. They passed through two countries that offered them Asylum and they rejected them. Stop the Bullshit narrative already.

     

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