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[TheChosenOne]

Yes it is just that shallow........Wesly made some unflattering remarks about black women and I can understand the backlash that he received for that. Taye has never done anything like that but his marriage choice has cost him dearly. There is a trend here....Denzel, Will Smith-black men with black wives...both have longevity in the film industry. Taye, and possibly Cuba Gooding Jr....they will get cut off despite being great actors. Black women often provide a strong base for many BM actors so they must pander to them a little until they become strong enough reputation wise that it doesn't matter (see Sidney Poitier, James Earl Jones). Once you reach that elite level it matters not...but when you are young and climbing that ladder...watch out!

 

[LaydeezmanCris]

Taye Diggs was supa hot in the mid-to-late '90s and was on track to be the black Tom Cruise until he married his wife, then his BW fan base turned their backs on him, same as Wesley Snipes (now straight-to-DVD). Think about it, "Half and Half" is on like season 6 or 7, yet "Kevin Hill" is dead after just 1 season.

God, is it all really that shallow in the US?

Yes, MistressB, it is unfortunate in the USA. Black women in the USA tend to be under the impression that every black man who is mainstream is a sellout and wants to marry a white women. That is one of the main reasons why Sidney Poitier, Cuba Gooding Jr, Wesley Snipes will never be popular with black women again. Not that those men care anyway so there you go.

Kevin Hill was aired on UPN, a TV channel aimed mostly at the AA community so it would be to the supposed denouncement of black women to air a program about a perfect gentleman brotha swarming with sexy white women. And the white man too. Anything that is to with UPN that doesn't succeed equals one thing: DISSOLUTION.

Having written all of that, it would be important to consider that many white males flatter themselves with the idea that the Negro male's lust and desire for the white dream girl is purely aesthetic attraction, but nothing could be farther from the truth. White men have long been obsessed with the notion that Black men desire white women. Many Black women are now obsessed with the same notion.

 

[karmacoma.]

Great comments, guys.

 

[karmacoma.]

Taye Diggs was supa hot in the mid-to-late '90s and was on track to be the black Tom Cruise until he married his wife, then his BW fan base turned their backs on him, same as Wesley Snipes (now straight-to-DVD). Think about it, "Half and Half" is on like season 6 or 7, yet "Kevin Hill" is dead after just 1 season.

Man where do some of you folks get this stuff from.Taye Diggs still has a career his career is not dead.The fact of the matter is he just wasn't that big before and he isn't that big now.BW and others objecting to his IR romance has had very little to do with his career nothing has changed for him.As for Wesley Snipes BW objecting to his relationships has also had very little to do with his career being the way it has.Snipes has allowed himself to be cast in one dimensional action hero roles in movies that have flopped at the box office that's why his career is the way it is.

Gotta disagree. Look at the facts. After "How Stella Got Her Groove Back," Taye was hot. He had mainstream roles in real Hollywood movies, like "House on Haunted Hill," "Go," (both #1 at the box office upon release) "Way of the Gun," "Equilibrium." He was also hot in urban movies like "The Wood," and "The Best Man."

His movie career stalled out right around the time he married Idina Menzel. As you may or may not know, things like that just aren't coincidences when it comes to brothers. Nobody's saying his career is dead, but it's not what it used to be. Others from the '90s like Heather Graham are trying TV now, too, but you can't discount the impact that BW audience have on a black leading man's bottom line.

Snipes, again, you can trace his career trajectory to the infamous interview where he said sistas were "too much trouble." This was right around the time of "Blade II" (2001 or so), his last huge movie. He was in "Disappearing Acts" on HBO right around the same time. That interview hit and then he was GONE. He did "Undisputed" with Ving Rhames, which flopped, then he was straight-to-DVD.

The fucked up thing is that Snipes, unlike other old action heroes like Seagal and Van Damme, is still in his prime, can still fight, and is still great on screen (see "Blade: Trinity," which itself was a problem shoot for Snipes). Unfortunately his personal problems have prevented him from making a proper comeback

BTW my favorite non-Blade flick by Snipes was "Art of War." :wink:

Conversely, "Diary of a Mad Black Woman" did over $20 million in its opening weekend, stunning Hollywood. His old plays on DVD were all in the top 10. This is the power of the black female ("urban") dollar in entertainment. Tyler Perry's rich now. That same impact can be felt negatively if you alienate that audience, ask Taye and Snipes

 

[TheChosenOne]

Yes it is just that shallow........Wesly made some unflattering remarks about black women and I can understand the backlash that he received for that. Taye has never done anything like that but his marriage choice has cost him dearly. There is a trend here....Denzel, Will Smith-black men with black wives...both have longevity in the film industry. Taye, and possibly Cuba Gooding Jr....they will get cut off despite being great actors. Black women often provide a strong base for many BM actors so they must pander to them a little until they become strong enough reputation wise that it doesn't matter (see Sidney Poitier, James Earl Jones). Once you reach that elite level it matters not...but when you are young and climbing that ladder...watch out!

WTF are you talking? Hello Cuba Gooding Jr has gotten a bunch of bad roles since Jerry Maguire which is partly his fault and also the hollywood establishment's fault. Have you not seen the roles he has gotten since then.I don't know where you live but where have you seen BW obsess over Cuba and his marriage.Most BW know that Cuba is married to a WW but I have rarely heard them focus on that part of his life that is unless you know something I don't know.And even if they did and abandoned him BW don't have that much clout to hurt Cuba's career that much.
Man I am not even a BW and I sure as hell am not a feminist but some of you brothers on this site are making me seem like one with some of the things you are saying on this board.

Yea, I agree with karmacosa...see JW, we are not really bashing BW for their choices. I think people should be able to spend their hard earned dollars being entertained by whomever they wish. I also understand though, that you have to cater to the audience that is most likely to watch you. If say...Jennifer Anniston started getting roles in films with predominantly black casts and made love to BM on film and than proceeded to marry (insert famous BM) someone of color....she would undoubtedly gain some BM fans, make some BW enemies and lose large portions of her WW and WM fan base. Not saying this applies to everyone but it would to many. Its not really right but this is the USA and that's one of the drawbacks. I luv my sistas...believe me...but SOME of them don't take kindly to BM going to "the other side of the fence." (Some not all). Look at WM...how often do they lust after WW who are known to enjoy the company of handsome BM. Very few..and we all know that. This again doesn't apply to all WM but to a substantial portion. It's sad but its true. :smt066

 

[LA]

" I luv my sistas...believe me...but SOME of them don't take kindly to BM going to "the other side of the fence." (Some not all). Look at WM...how often do they lust after WW who are known to enjoy the company of handsome BM. Very few..and we all know that. This again doesn't apply to all WM but to a substantial portion. It's sad but its true. " :smt066

Exactly!

 

[MistressB]

Oh well, his career might have nose-dived, but I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Wesley Snipes, with his lovely thick lips, big eyes and beautiful body. Hmm.

 

[TheChosenOne]

You are right to a point....the only reason why I say that some BW would sabotage a BM actors career is because I know BW that express the sentiment of "Oh you know he got a white girl so....etc." Most BW aren't like that but they do exist...sadly. BW generally stick by actors they like but some of them will find flaws with a guy after it is discovered he likes WW. I find that women in my age range (18-24) and women in my mom's range (50+) don't care much but women in the 25-44 group seem to be the most opinionated on IR. Either they are REALLY for it or against it...the other groups seem more indifferent.

 

[LaydeezmanCris]

You are right to a point....the only reason why I say that some BW would sabotage a BM actors career is because I know BW that express the sentiment of "Oh you know he got a white girl so....etc." Most BW aren't like that but they do exist...sadly. BW generally stick by actors they like but some of them will find flaws with a guy after it is discovered he likes WW. I find that women in my age range (18-24) and women in my mom's range (50+) don't care much but women in the 25-44 group seem to be the most opinionated on IR. Either they are REALLY for it or against it...the other groups seem more indifferent.

you raised some valid points initially but your statistics, i beg to differ about them. Black women, age aside, find it repulsive to see a highly-demanded black man with a white woman. Im telling you the utmost truth. Those who arent against it are probably with white men which is no concern of mine.

 

[tonytony]

Yes it is just that shallow........Wesly made some unflattering remarks about black women and I can understand the backlash that he received for that. Taye has never done anything like that but his marriage choice has cost him dearly. There is a trend here....Denzel, Will Smith-black men with black wives...both have longevity in the film industry. Taye, and possibly Cuba Gooding Jr....they will get cut off despite being great actors. Black women often provide a strong base for many BM actors so they must pander to them a little until they become strong enough reputation wise that it doesn't matter (see Sidney Poitier, James Earl Jones). Once you reach that elite level it matters not...but when you are young and climbing that ladder...watch out!

WTF are you talking? Hello Cuba Gooding Jr has gotten a bunch of bad roles since Jerry Maguire which is partly his fault and also the hollywood establishment's fault. Have you not seen the roles he has gotten since then.I don't know where you live but where have you seen BW obsess over Cuba and his marriage.Most BW know that Cuba is married to a WW but I have rarely heard them focus on that part of his life that is unless you know something I don't know.And even if they did and abandoned him BW don't have that much clout to hurt Cuba's career that much.
Man I am not even a BW and I sure as hell am not a feminist but some of you brothers on this site are making me seem like one with some of the things you are saying on this board.

Yea, I agree with karmacosa...see JW, we are not really bashing BW for their choices. I think people should be able to spend their hard earned dollars being entertained by whomever they wish. I also understand though, that you have to cater to the audience that is most likely to watch you. If say...Jennifer Anniston started getting roles in films with predominantly black casts and made love to BM on film and than proceeded to marry (insert famous BM) someone of color....she would undoubtedly gain some BM fans, make some BW enemies and lose large portions of her WW and WM fan base. Not saying this applies to everyone but it would to many. Its not really right but this is the USA and that's one of the drawbacks. I luv my sistas...believe me...but SOME of them don't take kindly to BM going to "the other side of the fence." (Some not all). Look at WM...how often do they lust after WW who are known to enjoy the company of handsome BM. Very few..and we all know that. This again doesn't apply to all WM but to a substantial portion. It's sad but its true. :smt066

That's a valid point yes but, unless I see a Black actor in an IR box office numbers change dramatically especially with movies marketed to urban audiences after their IR relationship is publicised I will stand by what I believe.BW do not hate IR relationships that much that they sabotage Black actors' career if they get involved in them.

your wrong, like i said before you are either a wm/bw.
if you looked at the shit that gets said about bm who appear in ir on screen you will know its the truth. the guy on er was so worried about this he didnt want to have a white love interest. to deny that bw like this exist suggests denial or inexperience. either that or your prob a wm/bw trying there darndest best to convince of me something ive seen with my own eyes time and time again is false.

 

[LaydeezmanCris]

Amen tonytony.

 

[TheChosenOne]

You are right to a point....the only reason why I say that some BW would sabotage a BM actors career is because I know BW that express the sentiment of "Oh you know he got a white girl so....etc." Most BW aren't like that but they do exist...sadly. BW generally stick by actors they like but some of them will find flaws with a guy after it is discovered he likes WW. I find that women in my age range (18-24) and women in my mom's range (50+) don't care much but women in the 25-44 group seem to be the most opinionated on IR. Either they are REALLY for it or against it...the other groups seem more indifferent.

you raised some valid points initially but your statistics, i beg to differ about them. Black women, age aside, find it repulsive to see a highly-demanded black man with a white woman. Im telling you the utmost truth. Those who arent against it are probably with white men which is no concern of mine.

I think the reason my stats might be skewed is that the women I know that are my age are more likely to date IR so they don't care as much...older women may not want their sons to do it but they are more or less out of the "game." The women in the middle group are the one's trying to get married and often feel that that is one more man not available an already shrinking pool even though the man is not theirs to begin with. These numbers are more in my experience and probably should not speak for everyone as a whole.

 

[karmacoma.]

Yes it is just that shallow........Wesly made some unflattering remarks about black women and I can understand the backlash that he received for that. Taye has never done anything like that but his marriage choice has cost him dearly. There is a trend here....Denzel, Will Smith-black men with black wives...both have longevity in the film industry. Taye, and possibly Cuba Gooding Jr....they will get cut off despite being great actors. Black women often provide a strong base for many BM actors so they must pander to them a little until they become strong enough reputation wise that it doesn't matter (see Sidney Poitier, James Earl Jones). Once you reach that elite level it matters not...but when you are young and climbing that ladder...watch out!

WTF are you talking? Hello Cuba Gooding Jr has gotten a bunch of bad roles since Jerry Maguire which is partly his fault and also the hollywood establishment's fault. Have you not seen the roles he has gotten since then.I don't know where you live but where have you seen BW obsess over Cuba and his marriage.Most BW know that Cuba is married to a WW but I have rarely heard them focus on that part of his life that is unless you know something I don't know.And even if they did and abandoned him BW don't have that much clout to hurt Cuba's career that much.
Man I am not even a BW and I sure as hell am not a feminist but some of you brothers on this site are making me seem like one with some of the things you are saying on this board.

Yea, I agree with karmacosa...see JW, we are not really bashing BW for their choices. I think people should be able to spend their hard earned dollars being entertained by whomever they wish. I also understand though, that you have to cater to the audience that is most likely to watch you. If say...Jennifer Anniston started getting roles in films with predominantly black casts and made love to BM on film and than proceeded to marry (insert famous BM) someone of color....she would undoubtedly gain some BM fans, make some BW enemies and lose large portions of her WW and WM fan base. Not saying this applies to everyone but it would to many. Its not really right but this is the USA and that's one of the drawbacks. I luv my sistas...believe me...but SOME of them don't take kindly to BM going to "the other side of the fence." (Some not all). Look at WM...how often do they lust after WW who are known to enjoy the company of handsome BM. Very few..and we all know that. This again doesn't apply to all WM but to a substantial portion. It's sad but its true. :smt066

That's a valid point yes but, unless I see a Black actor in an IR box office numbers change dramatically especially with movies marketed to urban audiences after their IR relationship is publicised I will stand by what I believe.BW do not hate IR relationships that much that they sabotage Black actors' career if they get involved in them.

your wrong, like i said before you are either a wm/bw.
if you looked at the shit that gets said about bm who appear in ir on screen you will know its the truth. the guy on er was so worried about this he didnt want to have a white love interest. to deny that bw like this exist suggests denial or inexperience. either that or your prob a wm/bw trying there darndest best to convince of me something ive seen with my own eyes time and time again is false.

They like doing that don't they?

 

[Rosey]

Man where do some of you folks get this stuff from.Taye Diggs still has a career his career is not dead.The fact of the matter is he just wasn't that big before and he isn't that big now.BW and others objecting to his IR romance has had very little to do with his career nothing has changed for him.As for Wesley Snipes BW objecting to his relationships has also had very little to do with his career being the way it has.Snipes has allowed himself to be cast in one dimensional action hero roles in movies that have flopped at the box office that's why his career is the way it is.

I pretty much agree because BW do not wield that much influence in Hollywood.

 

[PeyBackTime8818]

Yes but alot of them go to see these films and if they stop going, a big chunk of their fan base is not buying tickets to their films and thus they lose box office clout.

 

[karmacoma.]

Yes but alot of them go to see these films and if they stop going, a big chunk of their fan base is not buying tickets to their films and thus they lose box office clout.

I don't know why this logic is so difficult for some people to understand.

 

[SardonicGenie]

Yes but alot of them go to see these films and if they stop going, a big chunk of their fan base is not buying tickets to their films and thus they lose box office clout.

I don't know why this logic is so difficult for some people to understand.

I understood it the minute I saw Chosen's post. This is how it is. Black women make up the majority audience of these 'urban' films, and the fan-base for these black male actors is mostly black women, so they DO have some influence over the decisions Hollywood makes when casting actors for the roles in movies like 'How Stella Got Her Groove Back', and many others I can't even begin to remember, since I don't watch these types of movies.

The comment Wesley Snipes made did hurt his reputation, but no, it didn't stop him from acting altogether. As for Taye, well, he was never all that 'big' from the start. Most of his roles were bit-player roles, but he became more of a celebrity when black women started to really notice him, and tat is what got him the spot as Kevin Hill, but then, as usual racial hypocrisy reels it's ugly head, and when there is a black man with a white woman on screen being intimate in any manner, it's automatically dubbed 'controversial' or 'inappropriate', so, yeah, the show should've been on cable, even though it could still get cancelled, but on cable, it would have a much better chance.

 

[MistressB]

This thread reached its pinnacle in the page containing pictures of Taye and Wesley, since then it has gone rapidly down hill.

 

[LaydeezmanCris]

This thread reached its pinnacle in the page containing pictures of Taye and Wesley, since then it has gone rapidly down hill.

now you see why sometimes i make it a point not to partake in certain discussions on some threads.

 

[MistressB]

This thread reached its pinnacle in the page containing pictures of Taye and Wesley, since then it has gone rapidly down hill.

now you see why sometimes i make it a point not to partake in certain discussions on some threads.

Me too - but it's important to share the beauty of Taye in a thread named after him :lol: