education reform: what would you do if you were president

For some situations, it's true though. But, like I said before, it depends on the school, the person, and the program.

And I had a friend transfer into Northwestern after two years... man, he had SUCH a rough time with the people there. Everyone looked down on him, and he really busted his ass to fit in with the students and ramp up his maturity with a quickness. That's why I said what I said in my last post. I also knew several CC transfers at my school that were little better than high schoolers when it came down to it for the entire junior year.

It takes even more hard work to adjust to the four year if you enter in the junior year- it's not impossible, because people do it all the time, but I just don't think it's a blanket solution that works for everyone, which is why I get irritated when people say 'oh, just go to CC for two years and transfer out'- there's a lot of value in those first two years that people miss out on at a CC.

 

I really believe that many states have scholarships that can pay for tuition and yet I see people complaining about not having the money. The truth I think is that they didn't do what was required and then they complain about it but I may be wrong with some situations. I just think that I am not wrong when it comes to mike and petty's predicaments.

 

First off I never said cc was vigorous I said it was a great transition from hs to a more vigrous program ie a four year school (do you have your sexy glasses on DB)

Secondly snob community college prepares you for four year schools. That's the point. No on ever said you had to dorm.

 

Hey, watch it. Don't call me a snob, because I'm not. Maybe I'm not articulating myself correctly, so that's how it sounds- so I apologize if that's the case. I'm talking based on the people I've known who have done the 2 years at CC and then moved on to a four year school. Truthfully, I have yet to meet anyone who did transfer who doesn't regret it, though. Every single one of my friends who did it will tell you to this day that they wish they hadn't done it, because they felt cheated.

Now, having never done the community college thing, I don't know for sure. I just know that based on the conversations I've had with people who do know, it wasn't worth it.

And I'm a huge advocate for dorming when it's available- community college or not.

 

There's also masters work that I'm able to do with my degree, so really I would still spend 3 to 4 years at the other school.

 

Dude Northwestern is a top tier school. That place is stuck and snobby cc or not. I think its hard for people who don't know how to make friends or who decide to dorm instead of still commuting.

 

No, it's not that bad. For me, the two options include the DoD scholarship (Department of Defense) and the Microsoft scholarship. I think things would be more feasible with obtaining the scholarship if I chose a public 4 year instead of a private 4 year because the public schools are cheaper. Remember that the US economy is improving, despite the high gas prices and international tension occurring in other countries.

 

I agree with you, MF. Change is always difficult.

 

I would abolish private institutions. Education should be for the good of the people, not for class warfare. This is a practice that originated 4000 years ago as far back as the days of the pharoahs, when only royalty was truly educated. It still continues today in the 21st century???

The rich should not be able to send their children to better schools. We should all be educated equally. Whatever happened to all "men" are created equal?

It's a shame that education is now a business, and protected by the constitution as such.

(speaking from an American view point)

 

Doesn't your state give you a scholarship?


Florida gives us the bright futures scholarship. I know Georgia gives one as well. That was not available in your state?

 

No, there isn't a scholarship program in place funded by this state. We basically have to pay for the education on our own or seek independent sources of funding.

Also, it is very important to avoid 4 year universities that operate as being commuter schools. I call those kinds of schools "4 year community colleges". These kinds of universities do exist, and it makes it harder socially to connect with your peers. View the link below for reviews.

http://www.studentsreview.com/viewprofile.php3?k=1130534335&u=932

So even though I'm going to be a transfer student, I will be fine with adjusting and meeting new people.

Also, I found a good article on the Huffington Post, it's about why college costs so much, written by Brian Rosenberg.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-rosenberg/why-does-college-cost-so-_b_842108.html

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4369426/the-cost-of-college-dropouts

 

If that's the case, then that's what High School should be. What else would be the purpose of high school? And it also shows the underlying failure of a high school education; it is more about social shit for kids than getting any knowledge.

...shit i sound like an old man.


There are also a lot of scholarships and gateway programs; i got a head start over a lot of my peers that way, in the second year of high school; in fact, a lot of minority initiatives have trouble getting enough applicants ( i volunteer for a couple here in NYC).

 

Well let me know because a brother needs to finish grad school and needs funding lol.

High schools are failing students but in my mind CC is also great from adults who want to change their careers but can't keep up with the rigors of a four school. I honestly think CC are invaluable.

 

lol...what are you going to school for? I think adult education/retraining is a whole different ball game and that we need to have a seperate educational program and system to deal with it- college is not it; as technology evolves, the change and related obseleteness of knowledge is going to become quicker, the need for retraining is going to constant, and not something a college is equipped for.

 

I dont think year round schools will improve the intelligence of school kids if the teachers are not motivated enough. There must be incentives for teachers and rewards for excellent teachers and inner city schools and schools in poor neighbourhoods should be given the requisite funding and it will do well.

 

there is a study that showed that when kids go to summer school their test scores imrpove. I forgot the name of the journal. anyway it was stating that the middle class and upper class kids are able to go to these schools because parents can afford them thus increase scores. it is not the silver bullet of course. also a teacher in indiana stated year round school helped her students because instead of reviewing last years stuff for 6 weeks year round reduced it to 2 weeks

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-...11.html#s244022&title=Travis_Walters_Savannah

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/22/college-debt_n_471023.html#s73138&title=Jason_Watson_23

Jason Watson, 23, Law Student, University of South Carolina

 

That's a shitty law school why invest in going there

 

Whether it is or not that shit's ridiculous on principle.

My tuition for 5 years of education (two degrees including what you guys call 'law school') was probably about 45k all up. When I paid up front I got a discount, if I could do that.

I then pay back to the government out of my tax each year AFTER I'm working and earning more than about 40k a year without really any interest like you have on a bank loan.

It was hard enough to meet all the additional expenses of study. I had to pay for Masters up front when already working and that shit was hard enough.

Already in Australia we ask how the poor are supposed to get an education- you talk scholarships but why must people rely on the scholarship of charity, private individuals and industry or institutions to get an education?

Our high quality 'colleges' have so many students from the US escaping ridiculous tuition. Even as an international student it's cheaper to pay up front fees for an international student (which are about twice as much in some cases) than go in the US.

For example, many engineering students say they can get a 5 year degree that is internationally recognised and high quality (as opposed to a 4 yr degree) for less $.

 

That's just sad. I say it all the time our education system is a joke and we are getting very close to not being able to compete. Who can be innovative and work hard when their minds and lives are controlled by debt. It's a joke.