Ellen Pompeo rejects Onscreen Interracial romance

The Dark King said:
America wasn't/isn't ready for that. Like I pointed out with the Cheerios commercial people damn near lost their minds over seeing an ir family where the dad was black and it wasn't some drama filled poverty scene.
The driving force of that show for the first few years was the romance angle between Ellen and her co-star. Women were glued to their tvs dying to see if they'd get together. I guarantee that would not have happened had she gone with the black doctor and also because he's dark skinned. Then again not even Shemar Moore could have pulled that off.
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lol, now this sounds less convoluted than the others. But here is the thing and I have said this before. Shows and movies were taking those risk even before grey's anatomy some had success some did. People who are going to lose their minds over race shouldn't be the audience that matter to you. If that's the audience that can control things, then there will be no progression if we let those who makes a big deal out of it control IR onscreen. And that was one of the things I was trying to get to in the beginning when I said companies that don't want IR or black leading characters could use things like this as a reason to keep it off screen.

The progression we are seeing now is what ellen was afraid to do for a reason filled with racial ignorance. Grey's Anatomy was not a launching pad for this progression it was a link on the train.

IR relations is more of a hollywood problem than it is a oh america isn't ready problem and they blow up the negativity of it to try and fool everyone into thinking otherwise. Hollywood has shown to not shy away from controversy time and time again. From race, to violence, to sex and faced and dealt with the backlash. But a relationship that has a black man and a white woman in it is a controversial topic that Im suppose to believe scares them of the backlash coming from that? I mean some people act like actors have DIED for IR between a black man and a white woman on screen. Making the controversy bigger than what it is, nothing more.
 
The Dark King said:
America wasn't/isn't ready for that. Like I pointed out with the Cheerios commercial people damn near lost their minds over seeing an ir family where the dad was black and it wasn't some drama filled poverty scene.
The driving force of that show for the first few years was the romance angle between Ellen and her co-star. Women were glued to their tvs dying to see if they'd get together. I guarantee that would not have happened had she gone with the black doctor and also because he's dark skinned. Then again not even Shemar Moore could have pulled that off.
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Not sure Olivia Pope exists today for Rhimes, without the enourmous sucess of G.A.

I would have liked to have heard Shonda's perspective also. And a little more elaboration from Ellen on why...because while l question it, l'm certainly not going to sit on a high-horse and call her a racist, damn.
 
racial ignorance is complex to those that are blithely ignorant. Lack of knowledge, lack of awareness, lack of common sense. lack of judgement...

It is what blinds the meaning of who and what.

Complacency is a delusion.
 
bosshoss250 said:
racial ignorance is complex to those that are blithely ignorant. Lack of knowledge, lack of awareness, lack of common sense. lack of judgement...

It is what blinds the meaning of who and what.

Complacency is a delusion.
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I'm scratching my head like fuck right now....

It's like you put three fortunes together and rolled them into one cookie
 
Don't believe their perspectives are based on complacency...

Thinking that WWBM would be accepted by the masses is likely the more delusional. Gay relationship characters get more respect and acceptance than our coupling does.
We have examined for years on here on why the lack of long-term IR exposure exists...and it's quite grey.
BTW, the topic on Ellen's controversial comment isn't the first time we have covered it on here - she made it in 2013, a quick seach of the forum will show you it's been discussed before. She hasn't since added to her comment.
 
Bliss said:
Don't believe their perspectives are based on complacency...

Thinking that WWBM would be accepted by the masses is likely the more delusional. Gay relationship characters get more respect and acceptance than our coupling does.
We have examined for years on here on why the lack of long-term IR exposure exists...and it's quite grey.
BTW, the topic on Ellen's controversial comment isn't the first time we have covered it on here - she made it in 2013, a quick seach of the forum will show you it's been discussed before. She hasn't since added to her comment.
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This thread is do damn weird because now I've agreed with both of you. Come on Ches say something I agree with to complete the final sign of the Apocalypse lol

But you're right the gay thing is another example of how people can move on in every respect and be progressive until its a bm with a ww. It's frustrating as hell but also evident and it probably dictates certain decisions because make no mistake Hollywood is a business first second and third.
 
bosshoss250 said:
lol, now this sounds less convoluted than the others. But here is the thing and I have said this before. Shows and movies were taking those risk even before grey's anatomy some had success some did. People who are going to lose their minds over race shouldn't be the audience that matter to you. If that's the audience that can control things, then there will be no progression if we let those who makes a big deal out of it control IR onscreen. And that was one of the things I was trying to get to in the beginning when I said companies that don't want IR or black leading characters could use things like this as a reason to keep it off screen.

The progression we are seeing now is what ellen was afraid to do for a reason filled with racial ignorance. Grey's Anatomy was not a launching pad for this progression it was a link on the train.

IR relations is more of a hollywood problem than it is a oh america isn't ready problem and they blow up the negativity of it to try and fool everyone into thinking otherwise. Hollywood has shown to not shy away from controversy time and time again. From race, to violence, to sex and faced and dealt with the backlash. But a relationship that has a black man and a white woman in it is a controversial topic that Im suppose to believe scares them of the backlash coming from that? I mean some people act like actors have DIED for IR between a black man and a white woman on screen. Making the controversy bigger than what it is, nothing more.
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But we see consistent examples of this fam. It's not like Grey's Anatomy happened in a vacuum of course other cultural norms dictate the narrative whether we like it or not. Black men aren't seen as romantic leads yet actually no white men period aren't seen as romantic leads. America isn't interested at all in that. Black leads sure, but romance with two black people isn't seen as believable or watchable let alone one with a black man. Shit to be fair that shit wasn't likeable with a black woman until Scandal.
 
RaiderLL said:
"The worlds not ready for it". So let's keep catering to the closed minded? That way of thinking doesn't, in any way, lead to progression as a country. If everyone thought that way, our marriages would still be illegal. Thank god for those willing to walk a different path, even if they're walking alone.
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You can't compare the two we're talking about another animal. One that survives on viewership and popularity. If you want to take risks like that then go to HBO and Showtime where someone like Don Cheadle can be butt naked with Kristen Bell and no one bats an eye. But on network television where you are supported by sponsors who rely on people liking the shows its not going to happen. They always appeal to the lowest common denominator, that's not new. Those types stay glued to the tv and support programming.
 
The Dark King said:
You can't compare the two we're talking about another animal. One that survives on viewership and popularity. If you want to take risks like that then go to HBO and Showtime where someone like Don Cheadle can be butt naked with Kristen Bell and no one bats an eye. But on network television where you are supported by sponsors who rely on people liking the shows its not going to happen. They always appeal to the lowest common denominator, that's not new. Those types stay glued to the tv and support programming.
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:smt005
 
Bliss said:
Don't believe their perspectives are based on complacency...

Thinking that WWBM would be accepted by the masses is likely the more delusional. Gay relationship characters get more respect and acceptance than our coupling does.
We have examined for years on here on why the lack of long-term IR exposure exists...and it's quite grey.
BTW, the topic on Ellen's controversial comment isn't the first time we have covered it on here - she made it in 2013, a quick seach of the forum will show you it's been discussed before. She hasn't since added to her comment.
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pastor speaks against IR

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=23mx_vRCg64
 
I read an article online about Ellen DeGeneres slamming a Christian publication for accusing Hollywood for a LGBT agenda. It wasn't true, of course. Ellen for her part, says simply that she's married. Nothing more than that. And the message in her show was that she wanted all her younger viewers to be themselves and to be true to themselves. Someone commented that Hollywood has always pushed the LGBT and IR agenda on people for years. The commenter didn't say that IR included wm with aw, l/h w and everything else in between and very seldom had IR where it involved bm/ww, aw, l/hw. Sure, there are shows like Scandal, Grey's Anatomy and House Of Lies. I think that when it comes to IR, it is viewed selectively. As selectively as ages of people(an older actor or actress in a show or film in a relationship with a younger and attractive co-star, which is seen in daytime soaps and films a great deal). This has been going on for decades. The HBO show Looking has one of the female character in an IR with a black man(and it looks like a hot relationship). My questions in terms of the portrayal of IR in films and shows is this; how is too much? Is showing an IR in a show or film an agenda of Hollywood? Or is the fact that those folks who complain about seeing them a mask for their insecurities?
 
bosshoss250 said:
No I don't believe she should typecast herself. If that is what you got from that then you are not paying attention. I said this before but you probably missed it. If race doesn't matter, then race doesn't matter. But as I could see you are also enamored by looks by your shallow assessment of Isaiah and her husband. But if that what it was about(in which it wasn't) then knowing hollywood and how superficial they are then going with patrick dempsey was the hollywood choice... but this was about race.

The problem with you, hollywood and ellen are is that the real world is more perceived than realized. Interracial is only a problem to racist this is not that convoluted. Maybe you and people are so much of fans of her and the show, supportive of being in a IR relationship or whatever. But clearly a bad decision, judgement, ect. was made on her behalf. This woman is not prone to being foolish, there is nothing about her that says she isn't. Ellen Pompeo is racially ignorant. There is nothing smart or savvy about making decision based on race, looking at people and identifying them by race, ect.

But this is what happens when you are racially ignorant. I look and I see people going deep in the shallow end. There is nothing smart about that. Everything that makes money and fame isn't smart. This is the same woman that called the emmys dated because of their lack of diversity, was on the view and said there should be no NAACP awards only people awards, but will defend her actions in making a decision based on race, will shy away from being in a IR relationship onscreen because she is in one in real life.

And the thing people want to get out of that in defending her is that will make her a posterchild or typecast herself because she is in a IR relationship in real life. That is looking too much and making too much of race in a relationship, which is shallow, which is racially ignorant.

You can't call out others to look past race when you are not doing it yourself. Unless you are accepting of being a hypocrite.
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This is ABC and the big Thursday night money maker is GA..it does matter if couples are attractive together... That is what sells... Sexual tension through the screen...I don't know if you have ever seen the show but it is jam packed with IR...Shonda Rhimes now has three big shows all with IR

No chemistry ...no viewers...canceled show
 
The Dark King said:
Still waiting for you to explain how one acts "black"
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I don't think there's any way to act "black" because the last time I checked, individual behavior isn't genetically coded. Unless you're applying a stereotypical understanding of what "black" is. Don't forget to grab your dookie rope chain on the way out the door fam, lol.

bosshoss250 said:
It provides no progress for IR in the industry and allows it to continue to be a stereotyped in that way. It's not racism, but it is racial ignorance. Recreating her personal life is pretty much saying her love life is mostly or completely based on it being Interracial. When it should much more than that. This is nothing more than letting racism effect things plain and simple. Strong people wouldn't care what race their co-stars are, weak people will. If it was going to change or effect the show or any show even now days then it shows no progress at all, in which we do see progress. Been seeing before grey's anatomy hit the air. As I said you can applaud it when a actor does it, but don't call it racism when a director or producer does it not wanting to do IR just because they are in a different position because then it will be all about opinions and when you have opinions you have people taking sides.

Quite frankly she looked at Isaiah and saw skin color... Not only through her eyes but those who will have a problem with it eyes. Those people who have a problem with Interracial are racist, creating an argument for it is giving racism loop holes to slowly creep into something. If you truly are a person that doesn't make things about race then don't make things about race....

:) And that is where racial ignorance shows up in us all.:|
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Interesting ideas. I'm not sure I agree, but I think I understand where you're coming from. Maybe she has some deep dislike of Isaiah - wasn't she the one who went after him (or had the show's brass do so) over his homophobia? The fact that I'm in an interracial relationship at times doesn't mean that I want every relationship I read about or watch on television to feature bm and ww.
 
Ore, that was Katherine Heigl, and the controvesy over his off-screen remark came a few years after.
 
Bliss said:
Ore, that was Katherine Heigl, and the controvesy over his off-screen remark came a few years after.
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Ooops. Oh well, at least a bm and a ww were involved. That's what I get for talking about something I know nothing about. Lol
 
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