LIVING IN THE TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!!!!!

First, I have never even come close to saying anything like "poor me" or implied that I have it bad.

Second, the "sweet potato/pumpkin pie" line was a joke and your taking it out of context.

Third, I have never displayed any hatred for WW or white people for that matter. (If you find something to contradict that, please quote me on it!) However, I will object to anyone who makes broad generalizations about anyone...black, white, or whatever. As a matter of fact, this very thread, which I started, calls out black men! Also, I will object to judgemental comments or statements. Which is why, if you read my post, I agreed with rinnaye on the personal responsibility part, but disagreed pretty much with everything else. Which led to our little "pissing match." And I objected to what you said because I don't think you are qualified to
"co-sign" on the state of affairs of black people, dispite your experiences with your man or the fact that you have I/R children. (Just as I don't comment on the state of affairs of women!) And although I respect your love and concern for your children, it wasn't you that was called, "N----r!" It was your children. And I think as you watch your children become adults, you will see (unfortunately) the effect it has on them. Which I pray will be minimal.

Now, if you want to take your little "delay" at a restaurant or the few names you have been called and hold that up against the s*#t the black people, (not myself, because I have never posted my own s*#t here-read my posts) have been subjected to, I would think you were crazy!

One thing I was taught as a black person was NEVER mistake my good fortune or success as an "easy road" for all. And some people here think that because I don't display a "bully" mentality and gang-up on the less fortunate (those on welfare or without an education), that I must be one of them. When, actually, I have never displayed anything personal about myself.

I don't know what you see when you look in the mirror, but what I see is Emmitt Till, James Byrd, Medgar Evars, Patrick Dorismond, and Amadu Diallo and a long list of other innocent black men who look just like me who were killed by senseless acts of discrimination or hate! I was in New York when Diallo and Dorismond were killed (and I mean this with no disrespect to those men) but, if I (or any black man) was in the wrong place at the wrong time, our name would be part of that list.

So if you can't appreciate my views, tough! But I will continue to "take it as far" as it needs to go so that people don't get s*#t twisted and get too comfortable in their "suv-driving, suburbanite world!"

 

JB:
You're full of BS...It's like you believe you've got a monopoly on being harrassed and discriminated.

Let me tell you something I just know you can't relate to, because you don't have a uterus:

Most women on this planet have experienced being harrassed or discriminated against simply because of our gender. (We could have a poll right here if you want to:I bet the huge majorty have at least at one point gotten an unwelcome, derogative, sexual comment. There's no reason why women on this board should be different than others.) Women, even in the western world, also have a harder time getting a good job than men (we don't just have to be the most qualified, we often have to be the far most qualified), on avarage we get lower pay(even for the same jobs), we are under-represented in governments and board rooms, and we are by far the most likely to be victims of domestic violence. And do you know what? Some people, even some who call themself scientists, will claim (and try to prove) we have a lower intelligence than men!!

As I said: you don't ovulate, so there's no way in hell you can relate to any of that.
Right?

Wrong!
You see, most human beings slowly start developing a thing called empathy at the early age of 2 or 3. So, if your emotional life is how it should be, by now you should be able to compare the feeling of not getting a job because of having the wrong gender, with the feeling of not getting a job because of having the wrong skin colour. Or the feeling of being called stupid because of your genitalia with the feeling of being called stupid because of your melanin-level.

Telling Jasie she can't understand how it's for her children to be called "n*****s" is as wrong as it can be. Even if she should be one of the few lucky women who've never gotten a derogative comment in her whole life, she should be able to see the reaction of her children and feel empathy. Most people will even feel some degree of empathy when watching the reactions of strangers (why do you think some people cry when watching "Titanic"- bacuse they've hit an iceberg themself?). The mother-child bond is paticullary strong. She'd be an extremely poor mother, with a very unhealthy mother-child bonding, if she did not adopt the childrens feelings.

P.S I believe Jasie about the resturant. I've experienced missing a flight because check-in wouldn't let my BF through (happened in Amsterdam). Luckily, after 90minutes of arguing, the woman behind the counter decided to call security to throw us out of the airport. They looked through his papers, and put us on the very next plane

 

I will be nominating the 'ill-equipped' comment for Most Ignorant Comment of the Year at the annual awards banquet this year. Next, I will nominate his suggestion that your restaurant experience was just 'a little delay' - soon the guy will have the whole category wrapped up. As for the kids thing... :roll:

 

First of all, I never said I didn't care or couldn't relate to the struggles of women. I said I don't criticize or comment on the struggles of women! If your going to try and use my words against me, at least get them correct.

And it don't need a poll to tell me the difference between the discimination that women go through today and the men I listed. Because that list of innocent men are all dead.

And don't tell me about domestic violence, because I'm well aware of it. (And yes, I know women lose their lives from it, also!) It is horrible and shouldn't exist. And if some idiot man stood up in this forum and said that domestic violence was disappearing and women should take more responsibility for it happening, I would be no less passionate in calling that man out.

But, I didn't read that here! I read about people claiming that racism was disappearing, so I called them out on that! Now when the day comes were domestic violence becomes a major thread topic, I won't bite my tongue then either and call out any man or woman who insults the plight of battered women!

 

I second that

 

Ignorant...how do you compare missing a flight to to somone being dragged behind a car until their head is severed from their body? How do you compare being seated slowly in a restaurant to someone being gun down by 41 bullets on the front porch of their own home? Being called the N-word...everyone here I'm sure has a story to tell, but can anyone say they were raped with a broomstick by four police officer?

Sorry, but they don't compare.

 

JB, your rant about my life experiences shows your anger so I don't have to quote anything. And I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling your "racial issues". You obviously are not a parent and if you are, I feel sorry for your children. Anyone with kids knows that no matter what the situation, if your child is being hurt (emotionally or physically) by another person, you hurt too. Those are my children, blood, you take on the responsibililty of protecting them as much as possible when you choose to be parent. So, in defending myself, yes they might as well be calling me the name b/c those are my kids. And, I didn't ask to compare racial discrimination stories and didn't say that my situation even held a candle to what "black" people go through daily. Furthermore, your going on and on about that........sorry......but.....makes you sounds like "poor me" again. White people got it so fucking good and you are just stomped all over, you poor thing, you. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

So what are you trying to prove or tell me by making that first statement? You think I don't know that? And what the fuck do you expect me to say about that? And look at your second comment, just look at it...........and you expect me to think you don't have a problem with white people?! C'mon now. What views should I be appreciating here? That fact that you think too many bm get with ww after they are rich? Ok, so what? Now you will probably say "how is what I said in the second paragraph stating I have a problem with white people". I'll go ahead and explain now. Most of the suv-driving suburbanites are white, are they not? Ok then. Sounds to me like you're jealous of those suv-driving suburbanites. I drive a fucking saturn and live in the city so you ain't telling me shit! :smt093 You are an angry man :!:


Ronja:I know we've had disagreements in the past and I'm sorry. You see you JB got me heated yesterday. Thanks a bunch for what you said about this topic.


Chi:

:smt043

I'll help you present the award......it will be a fabulous moment :twisted:

 

Hey, let me tell you something about discrimination, try being born a BLACK WOMAN! You already have two strikes against you: you're black and your a woman. So that means when Black men got the right to vote on February 3, 1870, black women still had to wait another 50 years until 1920 to vote...and how about that beign raped for hundreds of years to spite our black male counterparts? How about that rate of displaced families having to be raised by single mothers because of the surge of young black men being killed, thrown in jail, etc.? Look, all I'm saying JellyBird is that, hey brother, I feel you, but you have to understand that we all go through discrimination: a white woman have to deal with it to, and yes, black men get the short end of the stick, but imagine being a black woman, trust me, your life could and would, get worse. Just some food for thought.

p.s. What is all this about pumpkin pie? I had no idea pie was race discriminatory? Well, what about lemon meringue? And how about apple? Is that out of the question for black people? And do white people eat peach cobbler? I mean, we are starting to sound a bit ridiculous, no?

 

Yes, the voting issue is BS. Everyone should've been able to vote at anytime. And about the rate of displaced families being raised by single mother. I feel you on that one too. My ex (happens to be a bm) went to prison and I was left to raise the kids. Typical situation, it seems. And you're right, everyone has things in life they go through that aren't pleasant or good. We all have our problems.

I'm not sure why the pie got brought into this. I like all of the pies you listed and yes, white people do eat peach cobbler. :lol: I wasn't aware of the pie thing either.

 

Jelly I will start calling you the "Spin master" from now on.
WHO said there is no discrimination any more? WHO compared the horrible racist attacks you describe above with sexual harassment or missing a flight? You are so far off and out of it I would prefer you S.T.F.U. Bitch (ahhh I love you Lucifer for that line I will use it for ever and ever)
I am a WW and I will never ever be able to walk in your shoes as a BM/BW or truly understand how racism based on one's skin feels like. I can emphasize and I can feel pain, anger and disappointment. Not because I am white or black or yellow but because I am human, living and walking on this earth.

The issue here (as far as I am concerned) is not that anyone says racism is disappearing, the issue is that you don't think white people can comment on what is wrong in the black community. That thought process and narrow mindedness on your behalf is making me puke up my delicious pumpkin pie.

 

Curious

Hey Curious, it's a little joke FnnySmrtPrtty and I have going here, that's all. If you read back through the thread and share the twisted sense of humor Fnny and I have you'll get it. :wink:

 

Yeah, who's comparing here??? You and only, you. So, for the stories you come up with concerning a "black" person, you want me to go through out history and find where this has happened to a "white" person? I can do that when I've got the time. I have a girlfriend that went to the club and an arabian man and black woman gave her the date rape drug and went back to her home with her. When she woke up the next morning, there was blood all over her apartment: kitchen utensils, hair brushes, on the walls. Then both of her holes down below were torn up. She had cuts all over her body and these people were nowhere to be found. My girlfriend was a ww. I believe she was raped in such a way as the woman you mentioned and she was white. I never said bad things don't and haven't happened to "black" people b/c of their skin color. Never came close to saying that so I don't get some of your comments. Why you want to hang on racism so much is beyond me?! Nobody has forgotten, I think some people are just trying to live without it, if at all possible.

And by the way, I get the same feeling as Chi when thinking about you. I want to puke up my pumpkin pie......does that make me racist??? :smt043

 

Exactly. jellybird, you know full well no one said racism isn't around. Maybe just eat some humble pie, apologize for the 'ill-equipped' comment and acknowledge that the whole point of the boards is for EVERYONE to exchange opinions? This is an IR website, not a BM only site...adjust expectations accordingly.

Chi - The whole pumpkin pie thing is taking on a life of it's own - too funny!! Personally, I have alway found pecan pie to be suspect... And lipstick must be given full credit for her involvement!!!

 

Now JasieS, you my girl, we see eye to eye on many topics in this forum, but I can't find your friends incident comparable to what this angry black man is talking about (Yes Jelly, I called you an angry black man...because, hey, you are)...she got date raped because she took drinks from two (probably sketchy-looking) characters and then escorted them back to her apartment. Now, I am not belittling her experience, because rape is horrible to anybody but the incident he was talking about was race driven while I think your friend maybe just happened to be white? I don't know, maybe I'm being too harsh about your story, in that case, I am terribly sorry and I hope that never happens to anybody else, but once again...they are not comparable.

 

If Jasie's friend was raped b/c (full or in-part) she is white, then that would certainly qualify as one of the most heinous racist acts, easily comparable. Debating about why Jasie's friend was raped is going to be futile, no one knows - but we do know Jasie had more direct involvement that any of us. If we assume Jasie's premise is true then her story is very apropos.

 

Oh of course, which is why I stated that if it was race-driven, I humbly apologize; however, I think you missed the premise of my opinion; which was that although what happened to JasieS's friend was deplorable, I don't think it particularly fits into the race-drive hate crimes that Jelly was speaking of...unless it was race-driven, which I don't think can be proven, because as she remarked, the two characters were long gone the next morning. But I would never want anyone to think that I was underminding JasieS's friends situation. I know about rape, I know about race-driven rape as well, seeing as my great aunt is a product of it and to this day, has no idea who her (white) father is, seeing as her mother was raped whilst being called a "filthy nigger"...

 

I got your premise, my point was that getting into the issue of the actual intent is pointless. We might just have to call it a draw here, curious...

 

[quote="fnnysmrtprtty
I got your premise, my point was that getting into the issue of the actual intent is pointless. We might just have to call it a draw here, curious... [/quote]

Well, trying to argue the intent of any crime is useless because it doesn't cancel out the fact that the crime was committed...so yes, I believe an armistice is in order. Good points though. 8)

 

Where YOU raped with a broomstick by four police officers?
Tell me, have you ever been raped at all?

Listen, none of us compared missing a flight or not getting seated to being killed. So don't even go there. We mentioned it to show that we have seen racism with our own eyes, and realize there's a big problem.

And stop pittying yourself. No matter how much you believe you have suffered, there are loads of others who have suffered more.

For instance, if you for one second believe that being black is so much fucking harder than being a women in the world today, I'll stongly object to that. It surely is in the western world, but NOT globally. For instance there are still slaves and slavetrade. And they're almost all women and girls. Lot's of women get killed for simply being women, we're not just getting killed in domestic violence. In peacetime we'll just get raped and killed once in a while for the pure fun of it. But wherever there's a war we'll get raped and killed more or less systematically. Even by our "rescuers"! And that's all without being anything but innocent civilians ourself. We risk having our babies cut out of our stomacks, and our breasts cut of. We'll be raped with every object you can possibly imagine, by more soldiers than you can count. And no- it's not because of "race", but because we lack that wonderfull, all important, god given Y-cromosome.

I can probably find you a whole lot more examples of women being killed, tortured and abused for being women,even in peacetime, then you can find of blacks being killed because they're black. And theese women are just as innocent as your dead black male heros. UNICEF, Amnesty and WHO all have loads of statistics of this. I can also show you pictures of female victims that are much more disturbing than a grown man being dragged after a car. (And I'm not saying the latter is not disturbing.) How about a picture of a dead woman with her skirt pulled up, her legs spread and a stick up her vagina- and lying next to her, the body of her little daughter, probably no more than 7, also with her legs spread?

When you do that "well it can't be compared, becasue it's not a race issue", that's just being incredilbly ignorant. It's exactly the same mecanism that runs the mindset of those who believe they have a right to opress, kill and abuse because of colour, that exist with those who feel they have the right to opress, kill and abuse because of gender. They "know" they're more worthy, smarter, stronger and superior beings in every possible way. And hence it's their birth-right to treat the "minors" as dirt.

May I ask you, since you feel so victimiced, are you doing anything to improve the situation for yourself and your people? Like, are you a member of any organisation? A political party? Do you write to your local newspapers? Do you at least donate money regulary to organisations fighting for your cause???

 

DAMN,

I leave this thread alone, thinking it's a wrap, after the topic goes completely awry. I come back to find, all hell has broke loose, and new life has been breathed into this thing. Just when I thought fnnysmrtprtty, and Spinmaster J. (Jellybean) were going to be deciding on which pie they would eat together, the pumpkin, or sweet potato, I come back to see the pies are now being hurled at eachother, and Spinmaster has pumpkin all over his face. This has turned into one Hot Mess! LAWD have mercy.

The aforementioned post is saying exactly what my point was, and I totally agree with it. What are we (black men) doing to change the abuse, and, or outlook of why we are still such easy targets for racism? It's one thing to talk about draggings, and lynchings, but it's another thing to do something about it. Spinmaster J. seems to be all talk, and no action. I'm glad someone else, including a black female, said Spinmaster J is angry.

Just last year for Halloween in Long Beach L.A. four little young white girls who were trick or treating were brutally attacked by a gang of male, and female black youths, to the point that one of the white girls lost an eye, all while being called racist names. Not more than a slap on the wrist happened to the perpetrators, meanwhile these little innocent girls have been brutally maimed for life, just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and being white. How is it that only blacks have the market cornered on being victims of racism? Tell that to those four little white girls, and their parents. Can JasieS comment on racism now? Can JasieS comment on reverse racism now? Do your thang girl!

Thanks JasieS for the advice on how to use quotes, and I got your back 110% on everything you said to, and about all your issues in response to Spinmaster J. Empathy is very powerful, and until he has children, he'll never know what we know, and his logic will be flawed.