Lying To A Woman So She'll Have Sex With You? That Could Be Rape.

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  1. samson1701

    samson1701 Well-Known Member

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/11/25/_rape_by_fraud_bill_in_new_jersey_bad_for_legitimate_sexual_assault_legislation.html

    Here is some legitimate overreach when it comes to prosecuting sexual abuse: New Jersey state Assemblyman Troy Singleton has drafted a "rape by fraud" bill that would make it illegal to lie your way into someone's pants. From NJ.com:

    Earlier this month, state Assemblyman Troy Singleton (D-Burlington) introduced the bill (A3908), which would create the crime of “sexual assault by fraud,” which it defines as “an act of sexual penetration to which a person has given consent because the actor has misrepresented the purpose of the act or has represented he is someone he is not.”
    The bill was inspired by the case of Mischele Lewis, who lost $5,000 to William Allen Jordan, a man she was dating who pretended to be a British military official in order to squeeze money and sex out of her. Jordan was convicted of fraud, but attempts to charge him with sexual assault failed since lying to people to get them into bed isn't actually illegal. Singleton hopes to change that with this bill.

    While Jordan sounds like a first-class scumbag, this kind of legal overreach is a very bad idea. For one thing, Jordan did get convicted of a crime, suggesting that the legal response to men like him is already adequate. But more importantly, this law is so vague and wide-reaching that it's easy to see how pretty much everyone could be considered a rapist, because, as any quick perusing of OkCupid can tell you, representing yourself as someone you are not is a universal behavior. All of us are claiming we woke up like this, and we are all lying.

    Given that this law has very little chance of passing, it shouldn't matter much. But it does! Because it gives those who oppose any legislation attempting to address sexual abuse (affirmative consent laws, for instance) the ability to point and say: Look, those crazies think everything is rape, even fibbing!

    Rape is a fairly straightforward crime. It's a matter of having sex with someone who does not want to have sex at that moment in time. Despite claims to the contrary, affirmative consent supporters don't actually want to make it legal to retroactively retract consent. But this law would open the door to allowing people to do so, which actually does muddy the definition and understanding of rape. Jerks who exploit people's desire to be loved in order to defraud them can be convicted under other laws. Otherwise, relationship fouls are simply not criminal offenses.
     
  2. 4north1side2

    4north1side2 Well-Known Member

    What a pussy whipped retard.
     
  3. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    If it passes dating in Jersey is gonna be dead
     
  4. RaiderLL

    RaiderLL Well-Known Member

    Horrible. What a slap in the face to rape victims. Lying to fuck someone isn't sexual assault and to suggest otherwise is infuriating. Rape is about force. A fib doesn't come close. Smfh.
     
  5. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    Shit the place already smells like garbage
     
  6. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Much like its Governor.
     
  7. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    It won't pass. Thousands of bills get introduced, many ridiculous, this would only be an issue if it ACTUALLY passed.
     
  8. Gorath

    Gorath Well-Known Member

    I don't know about that. If someone uses deception to have sex with someone, it is more of a game. The question is will the intended person believe it. And if the intended person believes it and does it, it is considered consentual. In any case, the joke was on the intended person because they should know better than to believe it. And the perpetrator knows this, as well because the perpetrator was playing on the intended person's naivete, weakness and vanity. It is possible but not at all likely.
     
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2014
  9. JamahlSharif

    JamahlSharif Well-Known Member

    I call bullshit!
     
  10. orejon4

    orejon4 Well-Known Member

    Having sex with anyone without their active, informed consent (not just acquiescence) is considered a sexual assault. No tricking, duping, drugging, intimidating, extorting, or use of force is allowed.
     
  11. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    Pretty soon they're going to make it illegal to have sex for money
     
  12. orejon4

    orejon4 Well-Known Member

    There goes my sex life, lol.
     
  13. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    I mean they're already contemplating laws to make it illegal to holla at women in the street
     
  14. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Hey no woman should ever suffer street harassment unless he's 6'5 and a Calvin Klein model damit
     
  15. Stizzy

    Stizzy Well-Known Member

    Lying to fuck is dumb.
     
  16. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Really? What's funny is this bs doesn't extend to women who lie just as much.
     
  17. Stizzy

    Stizzy Well-Known Member

    That's why I didn't name a gender. I'm lumping people in general together. Lol
     
  18. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    lol fair enough
     
  19. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    Hmmm

    I'm sayin doe.....

    Give you a 9.0 on the rebound
     
  20. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Sit your five-dolla ass down before I make change!"
     

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