Obama and Drone Attacks

A part of me knows there will be hell that will unleash with this thread, but another part of me says, I want to hear what they have to say about this.

A friend on my Facebook page posted this article today (it's from Oct 2012):

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/

She put this in front of the article:

I didn't vote for Obama because of shit like this. It is a violation of the constitution to kill American citizens, even if they're terrorists, without due process. How do my fellow "liberals" justify this action and then turn around and condemn torture? Both are firmly and unquestionably anti-American, and Obama should be held to task for this violation of the constitution.

Thoughts?

 

Very sad, such a tragic loss of such a young life, that being said, his father, Awlaki, was a member of AQAP which threatens terrorist action against the U.S among other things. The administration argues that the son was not targeted but simply killed as collateral damage in an attack targeting another alleged Al Qaeda leader. Again, very tragic and sad, but it is not like the US, or Obama is looking to kill innocent people.

As far as the constitutionality and legality of the strikes, I agree with what is being said below. There can no negotiation or reasoning with terrorists as we have seen time and time again.

"Sometimes we use remotely piloted aircraft to conduct targeted strikes against specific al Qaeda terrorists in order to prevent attacks on the United States and to save American lives,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters. “We conduct those strikes because they are necessary to mitigate ongoing actual threats, to stop plots, to prevent future attacks and, again, save American lives. These strikes are legal, they are ethical, and they are wise,” he said.


“The condition that an operational leader present an ‘imminent’ threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future,” the document reads.




“I would point you to the ample judicial precedent for the idea that someone who takes up arms against the United States in a war against the United States is an enemy and therefore could be targeted accordingly,” he told ABC News’ Jon Karl.


“[The president] takes his responsibility as commander in chief to protect the United States and its citizens very seriously. He takes the absolute necessity to conduct our war against al Qaeda and its affiliates in a way that’s consistent with the Constitution and our laws very seriously,” he said.

 

american terrorist lost their rights to the constitution....bomb the shit out of the KKK, white supremists and whoever is a threat.

the drone was used against the fucktard in alabama who snatched that kid and putv him in the bunker.....

If you dont do dumbshit dumbshit will not happen.

if bush had done this shit yall would be kissing his ass....oh wait. say what!!!!

they did.

oh yeah....homeland security?

who TSA ?

oooppps nailed it.

 

I applaud the President for using drones to kill terrorists. If an american traitor plots to kill his or her fellow citizens I say take them out. As far as domestic terrorists whether they be organized crime, white and black hate groups and those who want to bring the country down use drones and any other sophisticated technology to bring them to their knees.

 

Ummm...just out of curiosity, name for me one or more of the "black hate groups" currently active in the U.S. today on the same level as the KKK or Aryan Nation? And please do not pull a cop out and say "Gangs" as your answer.......

 

Gangs:smt070

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/new-black-panther-party

 

Hmmm. Why am I not surprise you pulled the far right wing scapegoat play and named the New Black Panther Party. Wow. SMDH.

 

Yeah, is that not the shit.

 

You are all over the place with your views & opinions.


It's like most of the time you just say something just to be saying something and don't put any real thought into what you post.

 

That is your opinion. I could give a damned. Got a major exam tomorrow, and a job to bring in the mucho. Cannot be here 24/7 like you.

 

Wow. If you didn't give a damn you wouldn't have bothered to reply or give the back handed insult. Your true colors are showing now son.

 

Not just gangs.....BTW, certain Latino Gangs are specifically targeting and murdering Blacks in CA....
there is also -

The Nation of Islam:
...Its bizarre theology of innate black superiority over whites — a belief system vehemently and consistently rejected by mainstream Muslims — and the deeply racist, anti-Semitic and anti-gay rhetoric of its leaders, including top minister Louis Farrakhan, have earned the NOI a prominent position in the ranks of organized hate. - Southern Poverty Law Center

Al-Fuqra:
..Followers in the United States and Canada are predominantly Black Muslims. - Southern Poverty Law Center

American Black Muslims, Neo-Nazis, Foreign Muslim Extremists Join Forces (2002) (SMH!)

By Martin A. Lee

In 1961, Elijah Muhammad, founder of the black supremacist Nation of Islam, met with Ku Klux Klan leaders at the Magnolia Hall in Atlanta. Although they had different ideas about the skin color of the master race, they shared the belief that blacks and whites should stay separate.

The following year, Muhammad invited American Nazi Party chief George Lincoln Rockwell to address a Nation convention in Chicago, even though Rockwell had often called blacks "the lowest scum of humanity."

Flanked by a dozen storm troopers in swastika armbands, Rockwell told an audience of 5,000 Nation devotees that he was "proud to stand here before black men. ... Elijah Muhammad is the Adolf Hitler of the black man."

Sporadic contacts between Black Muslims and white supremacists continued after Louis Farrakhan set up his own branch of the Nation of Islam in 1975.

Klan leader Tom Metzger was so impressed with Farrakhan's anti-Semitic bombast that he donated $100 to the Nation after a Farrakhan rally in Los Angeles in September 1985. A month later, Metzger and 200 other white supremacists from the United States and Canada gathered on a farm about 50 miles west of Detroit, where they pledged their support for the Nation of Islam.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend," explained Art Jones, a neo-Nazi militant from Chicago. "I salute Louis Farrakhan and anyone else who stands up against the Jews."

The Nation's contacts with non-black extremists has not been limited to domestic neo-Nazis and Klansmen. During his international travels, Farrakhan has been officially welcomed in a number of countries, including several repressive Arab states.

The Final Call, Farrakhan's newspaper, describes one such globetrotting expedition in 1986, when he visited Libya for discussions with Col. Muammar Ghaddafi, who had given Farrakhan a $5 million interest-free loan the previous year.

After Libya, Farrakhan ventured to Jeddah, where he conferred with top Saudi Arabian officials before paying a courtesy call to Idi Amin, the exiled Ugandan despot.

Farrakhan was also warmly received by General Zia-ul-Huq, the military dictator of Pakistan, whose abysmal human rights record coincided with efforts to impose a harsh Islamic fundamentalist regime in his country.

....

An American Takes Up the Cause

During the 1980s, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan played a crucial role in supporting the U.S.-backed mujahedeen resistance forces that were fighting to expel the Soviets from Afghanistan.

Islamic volunteers from all over the world flocked to mujahedeen training camps in Pakistan to help win this holy war against godless Communism.

They were joined by scores of combatants from the United States, including Clement Rodney Hampton-El, an American Black Muslim unaffiliated with the Nation, who suffered arm and leg wounds in Afghanistan.

After returning to Brooklyn, Hampton-El worked closely with a shadowy splinter group called al-Fuqra, whose followers in the United States and Canada are predominantly Black Muslims. Several other al-Fuqra initiates had also trained in Pakistan as part of the effort to throw the Soviets out of Afghanistan.

Founded in 1980 by a Pakistani mystic named Shiek Mubarik Ali Jilani, al-Fuqra was organized into independent terrorist cells. An avowed enemy of the Nation of Islam, al-Fuqra has been linked by U.S. officials to 17 homicides and 13 firebombings in the United States. Its targets were usually other minorities or rival Muslim leaders.

In 1995, Hampton-El was sentenced to 35 years in prison for his involvement in a failed plot to bomb the United Nations and other New York City landmarks.

Nine other Muslim extremists were convicted as co-conspirators in this case, including Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a blind Egyptian cleric, who is serving a life sentence for his role as ringleader of the plot. The blind sheik has also been linked to the terrorists who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993, killing six people and injuring more than 1,000.

Hampton-El told an FBI informant that he had participated in a test explosion for the first attack on the World Trade Center.

According to recent reports, the Justice Department is probing possible links between al-Fuqra and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network.

American officials have obtained a videotape of a December 1993 meeting in Sudan, then a nerve center for the bin Laden organization, where al-Fuqra leader Shiek Mubarik Ali Jilani met with members of Islamic Jihad, Hamas and other Islamic terrorist groups.

Representatives of al-Qaeda are also believed to have been present at this meeting. Federal officials also believe that al-Fuqra members collaborated with Wadih El-Hage, who was sentenced to life in prison this year for conspiring with Osama bin Laden in the bombings of two American embassies in Africa in 1998.

 

Gee. Thanks for putting up info I was already aware of. But that's not why I asked him to provide me a list of "Black Hate Groups" however. He already more than provided me with the answers I really wanted from him with his last posting.

 

Sure you were.

Also...
"Ummm...just out of curiosity, name for me one or more of the "black hate groups" currently active in the U.S. today on the same level as the KKK or Aryan Nation?"

Sounds like a pretty basic question to me. :smt102 Now if you're saying you had a specific ulterior intent, that would be mean your agenda is no better than the one you accuse him of.

 

Thanks for thinking I have an agenda considering I never once implied he had an agenda. I did however say he was all over the place with his opinions & views. And his childish response when I called him out about it proves it. Had he actually gave an adult and rational response to me saying that then he would have proven me wrong.

 

let's be fair though. These so called black terrorist groups don't have the body count the white ones do. They are just a bunch of loud mouths spewing their hate but rarely if ever actually DO anything. Black people don't have the same freedom of mobility in this country. Organizations like the KKK usually run the law enforcement and businesses in their respective areas so they have the freedom to get away with a lot more.

 

Hush. That information can't be found on the internet so it can't be true.

 

Lol but it should be. I hate the false equivalency because it conflates the real problems and when that happens no real solutions can be applied. People bitch about the Black Israelites here in NY because "if the KKK were doing it, it wouldn't be allowed"
When the BI have a history of burning white children in a church and hanging innocent white men at will or have government officials all the way up to Congress steering things in such a way that their actions go unpunished then we can talk about them. Until then we're just wasting time talking about shit that doesn't matter.

 

He replied with an adult 'gangs' and a New Black Panther link...Rather than shooting down the facts in the link, you accused him of being a right wing scapegoat. That's not calling him out, that's calling him a name.
How is your response not agenda driven if you refuse to even consider his link?

I stated agenda because you basically accused him of, and admitted it yourself with "that's not why I asked him to provide me a list of "Black Hate Groups" however. He already more than provided me with the answers I really wanted from him with his last posting. This suggests there was a specific response other than BHG's that you wanted, so one would question then do you really want the facts...or answers that suit what you have already painted in your mind.

 

They'll do it around the time when they acknowledge that the KKK & Aryan Nations could be classified as terrorists.