Obama Wipeout Republican Party

President Obama should let the fiscal cliff happen. Let's go over the cliff. Once that happens blame the Republicans that they would not concede to raise taxes on the wealthy. When the next two year elections use it to pummel the Republicans for getting the country into the next recession. Use the media to cast the Republicans as not caring about the little guy. Like Micheal Corleone in Godfather #1, eliminate all opposition. President Obama has an excellent chance to get the Republicans to cry Uncle before wiping them out. First order of business, create a civil war within the Republican Party to soften them up for defeat.

 

It would be the GOP's fault if the financial cliff happens.

 

There is a purge already going on within that party of the strict conservatives and the moderates. The moderates are removing the more conservatives from important positions within the party. Tea Party Senator Demitt left the party yesterday for the heritage Foundation. I believe he was forced out by Boehner. Boehner wants a deal with the President. The conservative wing of the Republican party do not want to make concessions with the President on raising taxes on the wealthy. The conservatives would rather go over the cliff and blame it on the President. The civil war within the Republican Party (The Party of President Lincoln) will have to show their hand to solve the fiscal problem with the President or become extinct.

 

This is highly exaggerated. The GOP will still remain a force, despite the broken divisions within the party. As long as the nation are majority center-right (which it is), then the GOP will still have a strong presence and keep this a two-party system in this country.

As for Jim DeMint, he's been a big force in the conservative movement, but I think it goes to show you that fringe conservatism just doesn't work in the wake of people who simply want something done. Practicality over principle.

 

Perhaps, unless a third party (The Conservative Party, or a Libertarian Party) comes into being and supplant them. I still think the Republican Party will go the way of the Wigs if more and more of the hard core feel that the current Republican Party is more like the Liberal Democrats on many issues. Some believe both parties are the same wing on the bird. Rush and Hannity said just yesterday that if today's Republican Party slide on to this compromising slope, they deserve to die as a party.

I would like to carry this conversation further with you, but I have to get back to work. I wish I could be here 24/7 like many here.

 

There are many smaller parties, such as the Libertarian Party and the Green Party, that already exist. The problem is that while a great number of people often tend to be disenchanted with both parties, they would much more comfortable supporting familiar labels. Granted, we're slowly evolving into a nation of quasi-libertarian thinking socialist-capitalists, but our identity is often marred on one question: What role should the government play in our lives?

I've been off and on creating a thread about it, but luckily it's saved to my Google Drive. So, I'll carry that onto another thread.

 

My pocket book can't take the chance. He won't do it. They will postpone it again! or he will cave in.

 

Some people are dreading an event which will take place in about 2 and half weeks from now.

 

Erm...
As a working American who pays taxes...

It would be nice if both sides could extract the heads from their asses just long enough to actually give a damn about the people who live and work in this country and stop putting their damn ideology and rhetoric first.

Someone (anyone) needs to bitch slap that twatwaffle cantor and "my overies make me cry a lot" boner.
Who, btw, is still a total dick face.

 

First, Presidents own recessions. If we did go over the fiscal cliff, Obama would have been held responsible for the economic downturn. Second, you realize going over the cliff meant that people would no longer get the Bush tax cuts. So if the Republicans didn't fight so hard your taxes would have gone up. The Republicans also fought to raise the income limit from the proposed $250,000 up to $450,000. This will spare millions of Americans who through combined income or small businesses make $250,000. With Hillary Clinton starting to show the effects of her age, the Democrats have nobody with youth to drive the party forward in 2016.

 

The Republicans fought to raise the tax limit to $450K?? Source??
IMO that was another example of the POTUS negotiating against himself.

It would have been a hardball tactic, but if we had gone over the fiscal cliff, you really think House Republicans would not have voted to lower all American's taxes except for the 2%??

THe House of representatives is totally dysfunctional because the radical Teabaggers hold ideological purity on no new taxes above their elected responsibility to govern and compromise.
This has been the least productive Congress in almost 70 years. If the economy craters, most of the blame would fall on the head of the congressional GOP. That's why they signed this deal that had no spending cuts.

LOL if you think the Democratic future presidential candidate bench begins and ends with Hilary Clinton.

You guys need to worry about whether or not you're going to pick another Bush to run for POTUS, or nominate Tony Soprano for the next general election.:lol:

 

Smgdmfh. Democrats dont have youth to drive the party? Laughable! Recraplicans should still keep doing what they are doing and they will keep on licking their wounds after each election. In 2016 their constituents i.e. old, rich, white and male would have shrunk the more.

 

The Republicans countered the $250K earners with those making $1 million. So the compromise was at $450K which is a good amount. Because a family making $250K may be a lot in South Dakota but its really not in larger states like New York or California with high cost of living.

Here is the Fiscal Cliff Explained:

Lesson # 1:
* U.S. Tax revenue: $ 2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget: $ 3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
* Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000

Let's now remove 8 zeros and pretend it's a household budget:
* Annual family income: $ 21,700
* Money the family spent: $ 38,200
* New debt on the credit card: $ 16,500
* Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
* Total budget cuts so far: $ 38.50

 

Actually it is quite the opposite. The Republicans now have Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Nikki Haley, Kelly Ayotte. These are younger Republicans in their 40's who understand the changing demographics and will do a much better job in 2016. The Democrats do not have a candidate like Barack anymore who is young and charismatic. Hillary will be damn near 70 years old in 2016...her ship has sailed.

 

Except households can't issue federally backed treasury bonds to pay down their debt.

 

Keep deluding yourself into thinking that the Democrats are hanging their hopes on Hilary in 2016. In 2008 the Republicans made the same mistake assuming Hilary was a sure bet for Democrats only for a lean man with big ears and a funny name to pop up and give you guys a beatdown.

 

Yep exactly. We're forced to do ridiculous things like spend less money and try to earn more money. I wish I could just go to my bedroom and print more money.

 

First, John McCain was not the right candidate to go up against Barack Obama in 2008. The perception of Hillary Clinton was bad back in 2008 within the Democratic party and the general public. Now in 2012, if she could have run in a primary I don't think Barack would have been nominated. Second, you guys have no legitimate candidates for 2016. You guys are totally hanging your hats on Hillary running...check out the link below. Give me some names of people you think stand a chance to win in 2016.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/1...5-possible-democratic-presidential-candidates

 

The fact that Barack Obama became the Presidential candidate should tell you that the Democrats have their style. In 2004 if you had asked ANYONE to list a name of potential candidates for 2008 i am pretty sure very few people would have mentioned Obama's name so listing names is moot and we leave that for predictable republicans to list their. The democrats will spring another surprise and beat your ass.

 

First, in 2004 everyone knew Barack Obama was going to be in the mix. That's why they had him come speak at the Democratic Convention. The convention is the first stage for a potential candidate.

If the next candidate hires Obama's speech writer, Jon Favreau, then they will have a shot. He can come up with some more "hope and change" BS that people will eat up.