The Alpha White Female?

What?!?!? What little women box have I befitted onto you, that you haven't already bestowed upon yourself? It sounds like you are taking in a lot of ideals but can not separate truth from friction. I suggest you STUDY Anna Scales THE PERSON, before you go about spewing Anna Scales' ideals. A Feminist will tell, SHE will tell you that your psychology is correct and men should listen; but in turn, you take as men being imbecilic; crass; destructive; violent; oppressive and wish to destroy "the man." But YOU do not respond to Anna Scales THE PERSON. You do not question their IDEALS. Feminism is like a religion -- most people follow the words of a few and then cast them as the ultimate reality without questioning them, because they can appeal to the emotions of the suffering.

I have engaged your argument, you just did not get the answer you were looking for. Are you stating I expect EVERY women to be irrational? Feminine? Weak? Illogical? I meet and work with the contradiction in terms: "Alpha feminine female." Do I think it exists? Absolutely, but even these women feel less "women" once they achieve "alpha" status and their "psychology" becomes along the lines of Patriarchal. This is NOT a construct, it's biology. If you can present a "psychology" that produces a MORE productive society men will listen. It's that simple!

 

You really know how to call the kettle in these gender debates, don't you, MissB?

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You see, what your feminist 'philosophies' tell you over and over again is that because of men 'being men', women have to struggle for this, obtain that, protest this, and suffer for that :roll: over and over again, and this same tired ol' tactic of being the gender victim based on what emotions men as a whole bring out in you is just all, well, nonsense.

1. You can't blame men for being men

2. You can't blame men for being what you wish you were

3. You can't blame men for YOUR OWN pitfalls, expecting YOUR OWN biased gender protests to help you survive

4. To try and dispute the fact that matriarchies would do better than patriarchies is like disputing the fact that all boys are born with penises and all girls are born with vaginas. So far, no radical feminist has been able to prove that a matriarchy could ever work, and the only way they would be able to at least make it work to some extent is if a bunch of matriarchal men were aiding them throughout the whole process, BUT, other than that, NO.

5. Oddly enough, as much as you love to debate with 7 about how wrong he is, you don't seem to have anything credible to YOUR side of the argument except gender biased blame and personal remarks about his character, wherein he actually adds more to his side of it rather than gender blame back and forth. This is all I see written in your posts about 7Seven's posts, and not only that, whenever he feels like it, he can trap you in a debate with his mere words in a snap, knowing that YOU won't be able to resist it, no matter what.

 

I was just reading a Russian forum where a woman asked other women: do you ever want to BE a man? My favorite answer (the last one) was, I don't want to be a man (not that I'll ever get the opportunity either)! I can't give up THESE breasts and thighs!

This thread reminded me of the book I just read by Maureen Dowd "Are Men Necessary", too bad I don't have my own copy because she has a hilarious paragraph about alpha women, something about how they drive down the highway in their alpha SUV's sipping their overpriced alpha lattes and get in teachers' faces to protect their precious alpha kids. I know what she's talking about too, because when I go to work I regularly get harassed in the middle lane by these alpha SUV's (that's what the left lane is for bitch).

 

Well Sardonic, women like MistressB want to destroy masculinity; thinking society will benefit from it as a whole. They only way they are able to do this is by attacking a man's masculinity with feminist ideals. But only quite the opposite happens, feminist psychology doesn't understand a man's psychology AT ALL or the evolution of human condition and survival of the fittest. It effectively tries to destroy it; as a growing number of fascist regimes and ideologies grow in number, men are becoming increasingly more violent.

Women of this thought pattern will never be able to engage in debate on factual evidence, good and evil, right versus wrong without attacking "the man." To them, the only thing that matters is destroying these constructs. It will always be akin to supremacists ideology and any women who indulges it's radical philosophy are akin to the most radical supremacy. This, by no means is an intelligent women and any alpha female I have met are not akin to destroying masculinity.

 

In humanities past and until fairly recently there has never been a sole bread winner. Many times women brought in food and items as did the men.
feminist was measured by the woman's ability to bear child and some twist on that. Women have worked outside of the home to obtain resources for her family.

the article is interesting but skewed. Alpha females generally go for Alpha males and vice versus.

I think women in this day and age have just as much trouble with gender roles as men do on this subject. especially when it comes to issues of dominance and projected power.

 

Well......there has always been in terms a 'breadwinner' since the inception of human and material goods/value/market, etc. Part of the human condition dictates we must have a breadwinner -- man or women. Unless, you fall under the Marxist ideologues -- which by the way, has proven to fail....wait......I should assert: poorly implemented! The query is: can such an ideal even be implement effectively?

On line with Feminism, women generally have more value in terms of nature and for the most part, a man's value in contructual to a women's needs. I do state though, this 'construct' is imperative to the survival and overall sanity of the human condition.

So, I tend to agree on that alpha females "go after" the alpha male; but, the opposite would be false if you count 'breadwinning' an alpha trait in women that is attractive to men. I tend to see alpha males with 'trophy wives.'

 

If you think of the athletes in the big games, football, basketball, baseball, that certainly seems to be the case for those I've seen.

 

Well.......not just athletes, and other entertainment value; but other entrepreneurs as well: business excs, financial analyst, corporate lawyers, etc... the top echelon of our societies marry trophy wives. Maybe our definitions of 'alpha' are different if you believe only athletes have trophy wives. :?

 

trophy is just another derivation of concept of 'alpha'. These trophy wives usually are viewed as having physical attributes that are far superior than other women. They prized because of the supposed genetic superiority expressed in their physical features.
'Breadwinner' as a term came into being closely related to Trophy wife. The Breadwinner was the male who showed physical prowess beyond his competitive contemporaries hence he won the bread and the prize which was the trophy bride. She was then a symbol of what ever wealth or holdings that can derived from obtaining the trophy.
Many cultures vary in what a bride can be a symbol for but primarily she is to express the fitness of the male to which she is attached.

even today this idea of male fitness is played out in various ways and through various avenues. and i think this article plays on this fact that these men have not shown fitness by competitive intercourse with today's society. Men are still seen as less if they don't adhere to some degree to the machismo that woman will openly decry yet behind close doors fawn for.

 

Oh my Boll Onin!

You are opening a can of worms with your honesty! I tend to agree with your concept on the "trophy wife." It is some food for thought and also gives rise to an infinite meaning of masculinity, but I tend to believe in the "multiple masculinity theory." When I use the concept 'alpha', it is a the ability to attract opposite sex. As it truly is our most primitive purpose as humans.

The article of course is misleading, as it implies that the female alpha, is some high earning feminist with such credentials as a Harvard MBA. :roll: Essentially credentials alpha males, rather, men in general, do not care for. When essentially, she is just a product of masculinity. At least I am willing to admit and consciously aware of my cognitive processes: I do not like masculine women and are repulsed by them. But try getting these women to admit that they have lost some of their femininity and be consciously aware this may put men off is a chore....wait.....it's misogynist! :lol: