The Culture Wars: Pro-Life vs. Pro Choice

I don't think it is idealistic for people to think ahead a few steps. They just choose not to. Perfectly acceptable not to choose abstinence, use protection.
I pushed that as well. Of course, isn't 100% . be ready for responsibility like you did. :???:


What it comes down to is people don't want to be responsible adults....:???:
sorry to say that.

 

Honestly, I think abortion happens at a very low rate. When countries have a good education system, their people are generally smart enough to realize the responsibilities of having a kid and might choose not to or will wait until they have enough money to support them.

 

What lolipop land do you live in fam? Most people can't afford to be responsible like Raider. I don't personally know here situation but from what she's said she had a dude who was willing to stick around and help out. What happens if you don't have a support system?
How do you work and progress if there's no one to help out?

 

I agree with this, but unfortunately we have a system that thrives on keeping certain people uneducated and poor and as a result you have a lot of poor decisions that lead to dumb shit.

 

I understand, that no matter what situation, people will fall. This is why america has a social net. To catch and support them. There is free or subsidized housing, free food, even free education. free as in I am paying taxes to help someone get out of poverty

I realize you will point to an inadequate system to support. I would agree. Taxes have been falling on corporations as you have posted. Terrible for helping people climb out of poverty pregnant or not.

 

I think this may be the first time paniro, bliss and I agree on something.

 

lol good try

The people I am referring to are the poor and disenfranchised. People who come from impoverished areas of the country like West Virginia, the rural midwest, and the inner cities. They have poor and failing education systems coupled with nearly no economic opportunity to overcome their circumstances so they end up doing dumb and desperate shit to feed the biggest prison industrial complex in the world. All under the bs notion its for the safety of the public instead of addressing and fixing the real issues that got them there.

 

Were all your kids planned? Not being an asshole I'm really curious.

 

It's certainly not idealistic to expect people to be responsible. But to assume everyone will think a few steps ahead...at every single turn...that's a bit idealistic IMO. Like I said, as human beings we're simply not perfect creatures and to expect perfection seems far fetched to me.

Ftr, Raider couldn't afford to "be responsible" either lol. I was 22 tdk, life was much different 10 yrs ago, compared to where I am now. I was (and am) just a stubborn ass woman who thought she could take on the world...so I "knew" I could handle a baby

Truthfully though, if it had been a new relationship, filled with uncertainty, and I turned up pregnant...I may have very well decided on a termination. Who knows.

Continuing a pregnancy, or terminating a pregnancy are both very personal decisions that should be left to the woman carrying the future child.

 

I don't assume that. There is clearly a social net to catch them. I support that and really was not happy with congress cutting some of it down.

 

But like you said it wasn't a new relationship and unlike most of the women in question you had a partner willing to be there and help raise the kids whether it be with time or money. So it wasn't all on just you. Did your parents help out or was it "tough titties deal with it"?

 

What social net are you talking about fam? Don't believe the hype we have a nation of working poor people who get food stamps and still can't make ends meet. I saw a documentary on this in the fall I'll see if I can find it for you.

 

How did you make ends meet? How did you manage to take care of your kids? How old were you?

 

Pell gant(for free education)
snap(for free food)
chip(free insurance for the kiddies)
free food at elementary middle and high school



The hype is fact. It is just lousy.

 

My ex took a whiiiiile to come around to the idea that he was going to be a father, but I did have a lot of support from our families.

No one helped out financially once she was born, but about a month before I was due I started really stressing about how we were going to make things work with money and stuff, so my step dad paid off all my credit card debt, and my car, which freed up those monthly funds to be reallocated to the new bills we'd have with our daughter. It's easy to feel like you can take on the world when you have that kind of safety net. I understand that not everyone is that fortunate though, which is all the more reason why I firmly believe it's not my place to try and force parenting on someone else. Like I said...it's a very personal decision, not one we should be making for someone else.

 

So in this current economy especially over the last five years what is one to do if these kind of opportunities are present like they use to be?
You've definitely worked hard in your life and managed to work your way out of things but you also had the opportunity to do so.

 

DING DING DING. Exactly!!!!!
I wish more people could step outside of themselves for even a second and realize this.

 

The problem with these programs (at least in California) is that often times you don't qualify just by being low income. You have to be dirt poor to qualify for some of these programs. If you're anywhere in the middle (which is a good bulk of people), you're SOL.

 

All of those funds are limited and don't cover everyone just the most "needy" which is damn near more than half the country at this point. And everything you suggested may help kids a little but what about housing? Over 3 million people in this country are homeless, hard to study and make plans for the future when you live in an unregulated tent city or even worst mom's station wagon.

 

I agree with you on this. It does need to be fixed. A lot of the state's determine who qualifies. Some folks at that state level do not want to help people like tdk is pointing to. They need to be kicked out of office. One of the reasons why I don't like States over federal. They are slower to do the right thing.