United States' problems

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As much as I did not like President Bush, I believe this was a good proposal that still merits a lot of attention.

Most Mexican Illegal Immigrants Open to Worker Program
By Darryl Fears
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 3, 2005

Most Mexican illegal immigrants want to remain in the United States indefinitely, but a majority would be willing to return to Mexico within five years under a temporary guest worker program being considered by the Bush administration, according to a survey released yesterday.
The survey by the Pew Hispanic Center showed that nearly three-quarters of undocumented workers would accept a temporary worker status that required them to return to Mexico. That included 68 percent who said they wanted to live in the United States "as long as I can" or for "the rest of my life."
The survey of nearly 5,000 Mexican nationals was called the first of its kind by Roberto Suro, the center's director. It was conducted at Mexican consulates in Los Angeles; New York; Chicago; Atlanta; Dallas; Fresno, Calif.; and Raleigh, N.C., over six months as immigrants applied for a Mexican identity document.
The survey comes about a year after the Bush administration proposed a temporary worker program to match willing foreign workers with U.S. employers for jobs that no Americans can be found to fill. Bush mentioned the program in his State of the Union address last year, and the White House has encouraged Republicans in Congress to draft legislation supporting temporary-worker status.


Researchers surveyed immigrants at the consulates in cooperation with the Mexican government, which supports the creation of a temporary worker status. About 40 percent of respondents came to the United States within the past five years. Most were young men, and they worked predominantly at construction sites, in hotels and in the manufacturing industry.
Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, said the survey "shows exactly what we've been telling the administration, that the vast majority of illegal aliens . . . have no intention of returning to their countries of origin."
Tancredo supports efforts to provide temporary worker status, but only after the borders are made less porous and stronger laws are passed to punish people who employ workers illegally.
Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, opposes allowing undocumented immigrants to work legally, even on a temporary basis. He dismissed the survey's findings, saying that illegal Mexican immigrants would remain in the United States regardless of their status.
Stein said he doubted that the government would remove workers when their temporary status expired. "One thing we know for sure is that under the current state of affairs, no one would ever be forced to go home," he said. "That's a hell of a thing to build a policy on."
Los Angeles immigration lawyer Alan R. Diamante agreed: "Let's be real. . . . My clients don't want to leave after five years. It's great for people who want to come from Mexico to the United States for a few years. But there would be a lot of resistance from people already living in the United States. Most people want an opportunity for permanent residency."
More than 5 million Mexican nationals live illegally in the United States and comprise about 57 percent of all illegal immigrants, said Pew demographer Jeffrey S. Passel, whose estimates are based largely on Census Bureau information.
In the Pew survey, young and newly arrived immigrants were more likely to say they would return to Mexico, while older immigrants with deeper roots in the United States said they planned to stay indefinitely. Women were more likely than men to say they wanted to remain in the country because they were joining husbands or were caring for children.
"Being here changes the way people think about their migration," Suro said.

 

If their labor is no longer attractive, wouldn't that stem the flow of immigrant labor? Indeed, wouldn't many simply return home?

 

More workers will also consume more, thus creating even more jobs. Someone has to feed these workers, provide them with good and services.

If you throw a party for 20 people and 2,000 show up...? Isn't that the plotline for every great party movie ever made ?

Enforcement alone rarely works. You can't just use a stick, you need a carrot. Demanding that Mexican people provide themselves with better resources won't work.

How about putting stricter laws on US companies that thrive on keeping a status quo in third world countries through unfair labor practices and unethical privatization of services?

The US spends ridonkulous amounts of cash on third world countries around the world, and has huge influence in the UN World Bank, which works to pull third world nations out of poverty (admittedly, they actually suck). Why not push for the US to focus these efforts in Mexico. If our problem is bordering a third world country, and we already spend tons of money on bringing third world countries out of third world status, why not focus that where it has the greatest impact on us?

I'm just saying, you gotta have a carrot.

 

No no and no.

MOST are here for the BENEFITS and prestige of being an American.

 

Let mexico wave the carrot..they have damn near as many millionaires and billionairs as America.

More workers will consume more but they will also lower wages and shrink the tax base...not to mention that illegals will send more money out of the country than they put in.

When you hire Americans the money STAYS HOME.

 

Yes, but they won't. That's the thing. They won't. So we can wish the illegals away, but I don't think that will work.

So how do we go about pressuring American businesses to hire Americans?

 

By American consumers rallying around the idea of American made products again. Stop going for cheaper products at the expense of American livelihood.

 

YES.

Gotta go further than that, tho. How many "Made in America" products were made / picked / transported / etc by illegal aliens?

More of us need to share what we know about good companies that are affordable and ethical.

Too many people see shopping at Walmart as "buying American". Seriously.

And too many people don't have a lot of other options. It's really up to those of us in the cities to wield consumer power.

 

No because we have better social programs such as schools and healthcare not to mention our government isn't run by malicious cartels that kill the people at a moments notice.
No matter how unfavorable this country might be towards them its better than the shit they have in Mexico and I know you have a big heart and want to save everyone but why should it come at the expense of our quality of living. I know everyone thinks that social programs will be paid by corporations and the rich (daddy warbucks as you stated before) but those people have the means to manipulate the tax system and the cost will fall on the middle class making it harder for them to achieve their dreams for themselves and their families and even if you were to revise tax laws so that corporations paid more money trust me they won't take the hit they will just lay off more workers. Greed is an unstoppable force left unchecked as we've witnessed in the last few years. The best solution is to give them aide to re establish their own inferstructure but they should do it with a mixture of work programs and government loans but they shouldn't be allowed to reside here. Its way too much of a burden.

 

Yes, greed is unstoppable when left unchecked. I'm suggesting we do what we can to check it. Yes they will fight it, but right now we're all but writing them love letters with our taxes.

I completely agree with encouraging them to reestablish their own infrastructure. That also includes cutting back on our own companies plundering over there, but yes I do agree.

I don't think it's a matter of choosing whether to allow them to reside here. No one has the resources or the time to devote to finding all the aliens and deporting them, I'm afraid.

 

All of them no most of them yes. They can be tracked throught their childrens medical and school records. You can't get them all but we can deter others from coming here its out of hand.

 

I dunno, I doubt it. Right now, the threat of being shot in the desert, being cheated & abandoned by a coyote, being arrested, being detained, being separated from your family ...all is not enough to deter them. It's not like we're not deporting anyone now. How much more money and resources do you want devoted to it?

 

Then we should start executing repeat offenders

 

There is no deterrent here to not employ them. Everyone looks the other way and what happens is that the illegals are abused. They are not paid a fair wage nor are they given full benefits. At least in Colorado that's the way it is. You could walk into any fast food restaraunt and fill up a van with illegals. Yet immigration can't seem to do the same. So we must want it.

People like cheap prices so in turn that means we approve of abusing people for our own gain. Until we look at ourselves nothing will change.

 

LOL. Firstly, that already happens. Like I said, they risk death coming here, and it's not detering them.

Secondly, how many illegal aliens are "repeat offenders" who have been sent home and came back? A small percentage.

Thirdly, humanity as a whole, and the US in particular, has a terrible record of dealing with the power of life & death.

Give White America the right to execute illegals, and they'll start rounding up Black Men and accusing them of eating nachos.

 

Yeah, I agree with that.

 

FACT SHEET: Immigration

Here's a look at the latest statistics on immigration; the McCain-Kennedy proposal

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT TOTALS: 11.55-million as of January 2006
TOP 10 COUNTRIES OF BIRTH:
Mexico: 6.57-million
El Salvador: 510,000
Guatemala: 430,000
Philippines: 280,000
Honduras: 280,000
India: 270,000
Korea: 250,000
Brazil: 210,000
China: 190,000
Vietnam: 160,000

LEGAL IMMIGRATION (in fiscal year 2006):

1.27-million
TOP 10 COUNTRIES OF BIRTH
Mexico: 173,753 (13.72%)
China: 87,345 (6.90)
Philippines: 74,607 (5.89)
India: 61,369 (4.85)
Cuba: 45,614 (3.60)
Colombia: 43,151 (3.41)
Dominican Republic: 38,069 (3.01)
El Salvador: 31,783 (2.51)
Vietnam: 30,695 (2.42)
Jamaica: 24,976 (1.97)

HIGHLIGHTS OF McCAIN'S 2006 BILL

(Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act)
The bill was incorporated into another measure that passed the Senate but then stalled.
• The bill would allow undocumented immigrants in the United States on or before May 12, 2005, to register for a temporary visa that would be valid for six years. They would have to pay a $1,000 fine and any back taxes. To obtain permanent status, workers would have to pay a $1,000 application fee, meet English and civics requirements, as well as clear security and background checks.
• The bill would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to create a new temporary work visa, known as the H-5A. People entering the United States could at least initially work in industries that are not high skilled or agricultural in nature. The visa would be for three years and could be extended for one additional three-year period. Those admitted with the visa would be eligible for permanent resident status after working in the country for four years. In the first fiscal year, 400,000 of the visas would be available, with the same number allocated in future years unless demand is exceeded.
• To allow employers to verify an employee's work status, the bill would establish an electronically maintained Employment Eligibility Confirmation System created and managed by the Social Security Administration in consultation with the Homeland Security secretary.
• The bill would provide hospital reimbursements for the emergency care of undocumented immigrants under Medicare from fiscal years 2008 through 2011. It also would add the undocumented immigrants who are temporary visa-holders to the list of patients that hospitals can be reimbursed for.
• The bill would exempt immediate relatives (spouses, children, parents) of U.S. citizens from counting against the annual ceiling of 480,000 family-based visas and distribute the visas elsewhere.
• The bill would authorize the Department of Homeland Security to use aerial surveillance to develop a national strategy for border security and establish an advisory committee on border security and enforcement issues consisting of representatives from border states, law enforcement, community officials and tribal authorities.


Barack Obama: Supports a path to citizenship similar to McCain-Kennedy and voted for the 2006 bill incorporating major aspects of the plan. Voted for the Mexican border fence. Would toughen penalties on firms that hire illegal immigrants. Calls for promoting economic development with Mexico as a way to decrease illegal immigration and, like Clinton, says family reunification should be a guiding principle in immigration policy.

 

Touche fucker lol

 

Aren't we seeing this now with unemployment so high? Companies have no incentives to keep their base salaries where they were before. So, they're lowering the salaries because they know that out-of-work people will take whatever job and at whatever salary they can in this market.

More workers looking for jobs will mean lower wages.