US Immigration Debate

I thought your fiancee wasn't Mexican.

 

She isn't Mexican; she's the child of Cuban and Dominican immigrants but she grew up in Los Angeles, where Mexicans are the dominant Hispanic group so she kinda blended with them. She often takes this issue personally as she does not agree with the immigration reform thingy and i gladly do :lol:.

 

While I can respect her opinion, I believe that it's too subjective in this case.

 

She'd change her mind about mexicans if she heard what they are SURELY calling her behind her back:

"Chango Lover"

"Mayate whore"

 

Man, I have to gather my thoughts on this one. Illegal immigration is a problem. I'm not sure how we should best deal it. I've struggled with it for years. But, one thing I can not stand is the American Nationalist send them all the f*ck back to Mexico argument. One of the main reasons I hate it is that those who spew this vitriol often don't make a distinction between illegal immigrants, legal immigrants and Mexicans in America (legal American citizens or otherwise).

A few of these posts talk anout Mexican this, Mexican that, etc. Honestly, I could copy much of the language, go to a White Supremacists site and paste it in a post or comment and they'd welcome me with open arms (not knowing my identity, of course).

 

And you seem to think I/we care? Believe me, my friend, we hear worse.

 

Just check the language at brownpride.com about Black people before you start crying..

They sound more like the KKK than you'd ever believe..

Did you know that mexican inmates join forces with Aryan hate groups in prisons all over this Country??

Don't come here with that crap..

Mexico is a RACIST COUNTRY and mexicans..for the most part ARE A RACIST PEOPLE..!

Just look at their TV shows or go to their websites..LOOK AT THEIR COUNTRY..

Jim Crow is alive and well in Latin America..

Don't try to spin it to make people that don't want America to turn into a SWEATSHOP look bad

 

I'm sure ya'll do hear worse..I can imagine..

I know how racist they are..

 

So, you prove my point. Your problem is not only with illegal immigration, but with Mexicans, period. It does not matter who they are, whether they are natural American citizens, legal immigrants or illegal immigrants. If they are Mexican, you hate them, right? Then, you, my friend, are racist. I don't care what brownpride.com has on its website and how much it sounds like the KKK!!?! I was speaking about what was being said in some of these post. Again, you've only managed to confirm my thoughts. Your next response will, no doubt, confirm my thoughts further.

 

According to the pew hispanic center.. MOST mexicans in America are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS..

Now show me where I said I hated ANYBODY..

You're the one that said we sounded like the KKK..and you KNOW that's a damn lie..

 

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." (Mahatma Gandhi)

The immigration issue will not be solved by attacking immigrants or by building up walls.

People just want to be able to live a decent life and want to be able to take care of their families. So possible solutions would be to ensure that they are able to get jobs and decent payments in their home countries instead of being forced by foreign companies from wealthy countries to manufacture their products for slave wages. Inform yourself what companies participate in this kind of human exploitation and then simply stop buying their products.

Second, it must be ensured that people with a similar education who work in a similar position are payed similar wages. Some companies prefer "illegals" to work underpaid jobs over "legals" who have to get at least the minimum wages. Attack these companies, not the people who are just trying to survive. And making it easier for people to obtain the "legal" status would reduce that problem as well.

I wonder what native americans would say if they would listen to this discussion, after all, they are the only ones who are not immigrants in america.

 

Co-sign

 

Since when did illegal immigrants become the victims of American oppression and racial hatred, especially in this discussion? :roll: The point is to keep illegal immigration from overrunning this nation, especially if they can stay in their own nation and do whatever the hell they want there, and as for the comments in here being racist, PLEASE... let's not go into comparisons about Mexican racism versus the so-called 'racism' written in this thread.

By the way, nobody was talking about immigrants altogether, just ILLEGAL MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS. Note: I said illegal, and yes, I said Mexican, because most of the illegals are MEXICAN.

 

Co-sign

 

If people (especially those who are themselves immigrants or the offspring of immigrants) spew hatred against a certain groups of people, but have no problems to tolerate or even to help "tons of people" they deam to be "their people" to immigrate into a country, and even go so far to arrange green card marriages to get them in (1), while they refuse to tolerate other immigrants, then this has indeed quite a lot to do with ethnocentrism which is a form of racism.

Furthermore, the argument that mexicans should not be tolerated because they allegedly "join forces with Aryan hate groups" is one of the most stupid things I heard in a while. There are a bunch of blacks who are members of black supremacist organizations which also joined forces with aryan hate groups, does that give countries the right to deny access for blacks and to send blacks back to their own countries? Of course that would be considered to be racist, right?

 

The last time I checked, pointing out Mexican racism wasn't the same as spewing racism against them, nor was pointing out their hypocrisy either.

Nobody in here said that Mexicans shouldn't be tolerated because they join forces with Aryan Hate Groups, and mentioning black 'supremacist' groups (which doesn't really exist) to support the argument of allowing illegal immigrants to overrun our country is stupid to me. If you and Spindip are implying that just because of what you read in this thread that the Mexicans should get all the benefit of the doubt, then you really need to re-examine what you say before you post again.

 

The mexican mafia and the nazi lowriders have Aryan ties and MEMBERS..

Name these Black groups that have ties with the aryan brotherhood :lol:

MOST Black politicians FAVOR illegal immigration despite the destructive effects it's having on Black America..

Letting UNCOUNTED MILLIONS of ILLEGAL immigrants into ANY country IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE POLICY

Racism against US is PITIFUL in Latin America..people don't check their hatred at the border..They bring it across with them..

MUCH of the racism we fought long and hard to overcome is still kicking in Latin nations..All you have to do is LOOK..

California LT Govenor Cruz Bustamante called Black people NIGGERS to their faces during a speach
http://www.8bm.com/diatribes/volume01/027/546.htm

MEXICO IS A RACIST COUNTRY..and MANY(not all) of it's citizens are RACISTS too..

I'm not making this up either..IT'S TRUE

http://www.seeingblack.com/2005/x080305/mexican_stamp.shtml
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8410111/
http://peaceonthat.blogspot.com/2005/06/mexico-issues-racist-stamp.html

 

Couldn't agree more. It's a shame some people just cannot use their freaking brains to figure out exactly what we're pointing out.

 

Ku Klux Klan officials met with Nation of Islam leaders, including Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammad, in Atlanta, Georgia, 1961. In 1962, NOI invited American Nazi Party (ANP) founder George Lincoln Rockwell to the Annual Muslim Convention

In 1965, after breaking with the Nation of Islam and denouncing its separatist doctrine, Malcolm X told his followers that NOI under Elijah Muhammad had made agreements with the ANP and the Klan that "were not in the interests of Negros.

Metzger attended a Farrahkan rally in Los Angeles 1985. In 1993 Metzger met with Black Panther Militia director and former Milwaukee Alderman Michael McGee. He also spoke at the "National Black Power Summit and Youth Rally," hosted by the New Black Panther Party. In 1993 a Alliance of Klan faction with a Black separatist group, the Pan-African Inter-National Movement was established.

Eric Muhammad, Khalid Muhammad, Robert Brock & the Aryan Nations, KKK factions and former Klan leader and Aryan Nations recruiter Louis Beam, Ku Klux Klan spokesman Robert Weems met February 1, 1992 for a conference in Los Angeles and in September 1994 for the "Twelth Annual Revisionist Conference", in August 1994 the "Jubilation Celebration and Conference".

The Nation of Islam has ties to George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party, Louis Farrakhan invited white supremacist Tom Metzger, leader of the White Aryan Resistance (a neo-Nazi white power group), to attend a NOI gathering, established working relationship with the Unification Church.

Marcus Garvey invited a Ku Klux Klan spokesman to speak at his rallies and because he also arranged "secret meetings with the Grand Cyclops of the Invisible Empire of the Ku Klux Klan" to seek financial aid to transport blacks to Africa he was called "the messenger boy of the Klan" by the Harlem magazine "The Messenger" , and "the most dangerous enemy of the Negro race in America and in the world" by W.E.B. DuBois.

Black supremacist Robert L. Brock declared that only white people of North-European descent should have the rights of permanent U.S. citizenship. People not fitting that description were to be deported in a period of one year. Brock is sympathizing with the Christian Identity Movement, was invited to speak at the "Jubilation Celebration and Conference" in 1994, along with Louis Beam. In 1988, Brock, dressed in a Ku Klux Klan robe, attended a Christian Identity event hosted by Pete Peters. Brock also takes part as guest speaker at the Annual Gatherings of the German nationalist party Deutsche Volksunion (German People Union), supporters of the W.A.R. (White Aryan Resistance) movement.

Sources:
Uncommon Ground: The Black African Holocaust Council and Other Links Between Black and White Extremists
Saturday Evening Post, February 27, 1965
Original FBI Files Malcom x
Original FBI Files Elijah Muhammad
Original FBI Files Black Panthers
The September 30, 1985, issue of The Washington Times
September 1993 issue of WAR
July 1993 issue of WAR
The Tampa, Florida, Tribune, September 1993
The New Yorker magazine in February 1994
June 20, 1994, The Spotlight
May/June 1994 issue of The Journal of Historical Review
Publication 1993: An Analysis of the Nation of Islam
Wikipedia
People Against Racist Terror (PART)
Turning the Tide: Journal of Anti-Racist Action, Research & Education
The End of Racism: Principles for a Multiracial Society, by Dinesh D'Souza
Black Supremacy Cult in the U.S. U.S. News & World Report.
The Nation of Islam - Understanding the "Black Muslims", by Steven Tsoukalas
From the dead Level, by Jamal
Malcom X The Assasination, by Michael Friedly

 

And by the way, Louis Farrakhan was indeed banned from the UK because of his racism and anti-semitism. In my eyes a good approach to solve these issues on an individual level than to refuse access to a whole nation of people because of a few nutheads.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1959105.stm