Vice President debate

I disagree Romney interrupted a lot has well.

 

There you have it, TDK. Quit harping on her. She is clearly an undecided voter.

 

Good post. Agreed

 

I never said Romney didn't interrupt a lot. In fact, I stated that Romney DID interrupt a lot.

My point was that Romney, unlike Biden, showed respect to the President while the President was talking by not laughing, rolling his eyes, or being condescending.

 

Good job OBiden (as Sarah Palin called him), he laid down the facts and didn't didn't let Ryan stretch them.

I think Biden wins because Ryan basically said he wants to end Roe v Wade. He wants it to go to the States whereby he wants politicians to decide. If that does not get choice people to vote, I don't know what would.

 

Yea, Romney is condescending to the president's voters not the president.

geez
don't you guys see the difference or are you part of the 47%?

I feel like colbert today.

 

I didn't interpret the laughter has condescending. I think the laughter was more of I can't believe this guy is saying this. Actually I didn't care about Romney interruptions during his debate either. Many felt that Romney was disrespectful to the moderator. Some feel that Biden was rude tonight. I think people focus on style and presentation instead of substance. In a few weeks we decide who will lead this country. With the state of the economy and the state of the nation. I think we shouldn't be focus on superficial things like presentation or style of debate. What these guys are saying and how the numbers add up is important. I can care less how they say it.

 

I agree that you need to pay attention to what they say, which is why I said, I believe the debate was a tie. I think they both said some very good things and some very not-so-good things.

 

Fact checkers love Biden performance tonight. Style hounds isn't going to like Biden presentation.lol

 

One thing Biden missed a opportunity to press Ryan on abortion. During the republican primary Romney said he will overturn or ban abortion.

 

There wasn't enough time for that issue. LOL. That's an issue that probably could have its own 90 minute debate.

 

No it was one of the last questions of the debate. When Joe & Ryan wasn't really going back and fourth. My favorite part of the debate was when Ryan trash the Obama stimulus plan. Then Joe responded with Ryan writing a letter asking Biden for stimulus money. How in the hell Ryan going to trash something he asked for?

 

I bet you are attracted to women who can't chew bubble gum and walk at the same time..right?

What is it with you and telling to sit down?

If I could view you as a serious adult I might think there was something to it but really all you remind me of is those tiny designer dogs that yap a lot and are really annoying because they think they belong to a bigger breed of dog.

So....why don't you sit down first.

 

I thought the debate went as expected. Joe Biden bringing his very plain talking, aggressive style. Paul Ryan using his number throwing style. I think the debate was a draw and ultimately gave no boost to either candidate.

I thought it was really funny though how Martha Raddatz husband is best friends with Barack Obama and was invited to their wedding. She really let Joe Biden run free and then stopped Paul Ryan on his points. Coincidence??

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/10/a...s-attendance-at-vp-debate-moderators-wedding/

 

I think hearing candidates speak on abortion is important to a lot of women.Most women don't want the government in their uterus.

And this is just another outing it's not the election. People need to quit with who won and who didn't. It's a series of debates. Moreso it's fodder for their ads.



Twitter had so funnies about the debate. Bill Maher always makes me lol:

Bill Maher
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@billmaher
Hello 9 1 1? There s an old man beating a child on my tv

 

You???

 

LOL. That's a load of 'malarkey'.

 

The conservatives are mad that the VP mentioned abortion and it hit a nerve. Biden did a great job in mentioning Big Government into women's bodies. Lyin Ryan dittered and that is no malarkey.

 

Fact Check Time

WASHINGTON (AP) — Anyone who paid attention to a hearing in Congress this week knew that the administration had been implored to beef up security at the U.S. Consulate in Libya before the deadly terrorist attack there. But in the vice presidential debate Thursday night, Joe Biden seemed unaware.

"We weren't told they wanted more security there," the vice president asserted flatly. During a night in which Biden and Republican rival Paul Ryan both drifted from the facts on a range of domestic and foreign issues, that was a standout.

A look at some of their claims:

BIDEN: "Well, we weren't told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again. And by the way, at the time we were told exactly — we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew. That was the assessment. And as the intelligence community changed their view, we made it clear they changed their view."

RYAN: "There were requests for more security."

THE FACTS: Ryan is right, judging by testimony from Obama administration officials at the hearing a day earlier.

Charlene R. Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary for diplomatic security, told lawmakers she refused requests for more security in Benghazi, saying the department wanted to train Libyans to protect the consulate. "Yes, sir, I said personally I would not support it," she said.

Eric Nordstrom, who was the top security official in Libya earlier this year, testified he was criticized for seeking more security. He said conversations he had with people in Washington led him to believe that it was "abundantly clear we were not going to get resources until the aftermath of an incident. How thin does the ice have to get before someone falls through?"

He said his exasperation reached a point where he told a colleague that "for me the Taliban is on the inside of the building."
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RYAN: "Look at just the $90 billion in stimulus the vice president was in charge of overseeing — this $90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special interest groups."

THE FACTS: Dismissing an entire package of energy stimulus grants and loans as "green pork" ignores the help that was given to people to make their homes more energy efficient, grants to public entities constructing high speed rail lines and tax credits to manufacturers to install equipment fostering cleaner energy.

To be sure, there were notable failed investments, such as $528 million to the politically connected and now-bankrupt solar power company Solyndra. But Ryan's claim made it sound like every penny went down the drain.
More broadly, economists are nearly universal in saying Obama's $800 billion-plus stimulus passed in early 2009 helped create both public-sector and private-sector jobs, even if they fell short of what sponsors had hoped. Douglas Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, estimated the stimulus saved or created more than 3 million jobs.

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-slips-vice-presidents-debate-023354584--election.html

 

And the rest of the above article:

BIDEN: "We went out and rescued General Motors."


THE FACTS: Actually, the auto bailout of General Motors and Chrysler began under President George W. Bush. The Obama administration continued and expanded it.


___ RYAN: "And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. This board, by the way, it's 15 people, the president's supposed to appoint them next year. And not one of them even has to have medical training."


THE FACTS: Ryan is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, created under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law. It has the power to force cuts in Medicare payments to service providers if costs rise above certain levels and Congress fails to act. But it doesn't look like the board will be cutting Medicare "each and every year," as Ryan asserts. Medicare costs are currently rising modestly and the government's own experts project the board's intervention will not be needed until 2018 and 2019 at the earliest — after Obama leaves office if re-elected to a second term.
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BIDEN, when asked who would pay more taxes in Obama's second term: "People making a million dollars or more."


THE FACTS: Obama's proposed tax increase reaches farther down the income ladder than millionaires. He wants to roll back Bush-era tax cuts for individuals making over $200,000 and couples making more than $250,000.
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RYAN: "We cannot allow Iran to gain a nuclear weapons capability. Now, let's take a look at where we've gone — come from. When Barack Obama was elected, they had enough fissile material — nuclear material — to make one bomb. Now they have enough for five. They're racing toward a nuclear weapon. They're four years closer toward a nuclear weapons capability."


THE FACTS: Ryan's claim is misleading. Iran isn't believed to have produced any of the highly enriched uranium needed to produce even one nuclear weapon, let alone five. That point isn't even disputed by Israel, whose Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored the world at the United Nations last month to create a "red line" at enrichment above 20 percent. Iran would have to enrich uranium at much higher levels to produce a weapon. There is intelligence suggesting that Iran has worked on weapon designs, but not that it has developed a delivery system for any potential nuclear warhead.
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BIDEN: "What we did is, we saved $716 billion and put it back, applied it to Medicare."


THE FACTS: Contrary to Biden's assertion, not all the money cut from Medicare is going back into the program in some other way. The administration is cutting $716 billion over 10 years in Medicare payments to providers and using some of the money to improve benefits under the program. But most of the money is being used to expand health care coverage outside of Medicare.
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RYAN: "What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they're doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They're infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals."


THE FACTS: The requirement under the health care law that most employers cover birth control free of charge to female employees does not apply to churches, houses of worship, or other institutions directly involved in propagating a religious faith. It does apply to church-affiliated institutions such as hospitals and charities that serve the general public.
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BIDEN: "Romney said 'No, let Detroit go bankrupt.'"


THE FACTS: GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney has gotten endless grief through the campaign for the headline put on his November 2008 opinion essay that he wrote for The New York Times. But his point was never that he wanted the auto industry to go down the tubes.
Romney opposed using government money to bail out Chrysler and General Motors, instead favoring privately financed bankruptcy restructuring. His prescription seemed improbable. Automakers were hemorrhaging cash and the banking system was in crisis, so private money wasn't available. Without the government money, it's likely both companies would have gone out of business. Romney did propose government-guaranteed private loans for both companies after bankruptcy.
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RYAN: "We should have spoken out right away when the green revolution was up and starting, when the mullahs in Iran were attacking their people. We should not have called Bashar Assad a reformer when he was turning his Russian-provided guns on his own people.


THE FACTS: Neither President Barack Obama nor anyone else in his administration ever considered the Syrian leader a "reformer." The oft-repeated charge stems from an interview Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave in March 2011 noting that "many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he's a reformer." She did not endorse that view. The comment was widely perceived to be a knock at senators such as John Kerry of Massachusetts who maintained cordial relations with Assad in the months leading up to his crackdown on protesters.
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RYAN: "This one tax would actually tax about 53 percent of small-business income."


BIDEN: "Ninety-seven percent of the small businesses in America pay less — make less than $250,000."


THE FACTS: Both are correct, but incomplete, when sizing up the effect on small business of raising taxes for individuals making more than $200,000 and married couples making more than $250,000, as Obama wants to do. Republicans say that would hit small-business owners who report business income on their individual income tax; Democrats say the overwhelming majority of small businesses would not be affected.


According to a 2010 report by the Joint Committee on Taxation, the official scorekeeper for Congress, about 3 percent of people who report business income would face a tax increase under Obama's plan. That support's Biden's point.


The same report says those business owners account for about half of all business income. That supports Ryan.
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RYAN: Notes that there have been four rounds of U.N. sanctions on Iran to deter its nuclear program, three during the Bush administration and one under Obama. "And the only reason we got it is because Russia watered it down and prevented the sanctions from hitting the central bank. Mitt Romney proposed these sanctions in 2007. In Congress, I've been fighting for these sanctions since 2009. The administration was blocking us every step of the way." He also noted the administration has granted 20 waivers to the sanctions.


THE FACTS: The argument that the administration was watering down or delaying sanctions is misleading. For sanctions to work, they need maximum global agreement and cooperation. Russia watered down U.N. sanctions not only under Obama, but also under Bush. And it's highly unlikely that a Romney administration, particularly led by a candidate who says Russia is the biggest geostrategic threat to the U.S., would be able to get Russia completely on board with what the U.S. wants to — either in Iran or Syria.


The more absolute U.S. sanctions that Ryan and others have pushed in Congress would have punished U.S. allies, including most countries in Europe as well as Japan and South Korea, along with good friends like India and Singapore — without the exemptions that were put in place.
The administration has indeed granted 20 waivers, to countries that made significant reductions in Iranian oil imports. And the sanctions are pinching; Iran has been convulsed over the past week with protests over the collapse of its currency, which most people say is a direct result of the sanctions that the U.S. and others have imposed.