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..has Youtube pulling their related products off of their site. I was wondering why my favorite videos weren't available, then I looked up WMG+youtube on yahoo, and seen that they had a little tissy in the past.

:-?
 
shion said:
Fuckin' Prince took the sound from all his videos on Youtube.....fuckin' ego-trip.
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That's not an ego trip. That's an artist and businessman trying to protect his material from the theiving, spoiled public that wants everything for free. You know? That same public that likes to say that if the music industry just allows more file sharing, free downloads and instant access to all their music sales will go up! Ha. What a crock. We don't want to pay for shit. Not music, not newspapers, not movies. That type of attitude will cripple the entertainment industry and we won't be left with much. The music industry and newspaper industry are dying right now. Hey, I too go to YouTube often and enjoy the music I can listen to repeatedly there. But I don't begrudge any company or musician who pulls the plug on their work. The public, especially the folks in their 20s and younger, have abused the technology to get their fix without paying a cent. People thought Prince was crazy to take his harsh stance two years ago (and it is harsh and inflexible). But now more and more artists and record companies are following suit. I understand where they're coming from even if its inconvenient for me.
 
Modern technology presents the first opportunity since the advent of civil societies for people to consume goods and services without having to pay for them. In primitive societies when you want an apple, you pick it from a tree. Free music and film should only be the genesis of how we view technology's potential to provide things of value to human societies. Eventually I'd like to see the same potential crossover into fulfilling the basic necessities of human existence: food, clothing, shelter, at little to no cost.
 
satyricon said:
Modern technology presents the first opportunity since the advent of civil societies for people to consume goods and services without having to pay for them. In primitive societies when you want an apple, you pick it from a tree. Free music and film should only be the genesis of how we view technology's potential to provide things of value to human societies. Eventually I'd like to see the same potential crossover into fulfilling the basic necessities of human existence: food, clothing, shelter, at little to no cost.
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http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome

But of course, you still need the raw materials for the creations.
 
satyricon said:
Modern technology presents the first opportunity since the advent of civil societies for people to consume goods and services without having to pay for them. In primitive societies when you want an apple, you pick it from a tree. Free music and film should only be the genesis of how we view technology's potential to provide things of value to human societies. Eventually I'd like to see the same potential crossover into fulfilling the basic necessities of human existence: food, clothing, shelter, at little to no cost.
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Don't hold your breath.

Anyone have any sociology books on hand?

:)
 
JamalSpunky said:
That's not an ego trip. That's an artist and businessman trying to protect his material from the theiving, spoiled public that wants everything for free. You know? That same public that likes to say that if the music industry just allows more file sharing, free downloads and instant access to all their music sales will go up! Ha. What a crock. We don't want to pay for shit. Not music, not newspapers, not movies. That type of attitude will cripple the entertainment industry and we won't be left with much. The music industry and newspaper industry are dying right now. Hey, I too go to YouTube often and enjoy the music I can listen to repeatedly there. But I don't begrudge any company or musician who pulls the plug on their work. The public, especially the folks in their 20s and younger, have abused the technology to get their fix without paying a cent. People thought Prince was crazy to take his harsh stance two years ago (and it is harsh and inflexible). But now more and more artists and record companies are following suit. I understand where they're coming from even if its inconvenient for me.
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I agree.

That's why I don't do file-sharing. You're just hurting the musicians when you do that. Who the hell would wanna do music if they can't make a career out of it?
 
Dex216 said:
I agree.

That's why I don't do file-sharing. You're just hurting the musicians when you do that. Who the hell would wanna do music if they can't make a career out of it?
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I look at youtube because its like a video jukebox....that doesn't stop me from buying CDs.....there something about buying the whole package , tearing the plastic off, opening the cover or reading the lyrics or staring at the cd artwork while you listen to the music.

Prince's videos keeps his name out there...just like Jackson's ..its nostalgia for the oldheads but soemthing new for the kids.

I had every Prince album all the way up to the "Gold Experience"...'ol boy had only 1-2 good songs on his albums but I was totally faithful for a long time....seen him once in concert.
 
shion said:
I look at youtube because its like a video jukebox....that doesn't stop me from buying CDs.....there something about buying the whole package , tearing the plastic off, opening the cover or reading the lyrics or staring at the cd artwork while you listen to the music.

Prince's videos keeps his name out there...just like Jackson's ..its nostalgia for the oldheads but soemthing new for the kids.

I had every Prince album all the way up to the "Gold Experience"...'ol boy had only 1-2 good songs on his albums but I was totally faithful for a long time....seen him once in concert.
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Hey shion, I've got no problems with YouTube at all. Hell, I post videos from there on here every now and again. I go and buy the CDs of my favorite artists as well. Like you, I prefer that to downloading them.

But I can't hate on Princee for doing what he does. It's his music
 
Dex216 said:
Hey shion, I've got no problems with YouTube at all. Hell, I post videos from there on here every now and again. I go and buy the CDs of my favorite artists as well. Like you, I prefer that to downloading them.

But I can't hate on Princee for doing what he does. It's his music
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I understand his intent but there nothing really he can do...you can't sue everyone.....I 'm sure somebody in the world is watching Prince videos with the SOUND....you can't stop technology...just embrace it.

I think Metallica and Madonna, MJ have youtube channels.
 
Dex216 said:
I agree.

That's why I don't do file-sharing. You're just hurting the musicians when you do that. Who the hell would wanna do music if they can't make a career out of it?
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Real musicians make music regardless of any other circumstance. Whether they release that music to the public, however, is a totally different story.

Most of today's music is not even worth a free download because it is shit. So I don't care much about the current industry. I believe that a music industry crash would actually be the best thing for music because such an event would weed out those musicians who are not "real" (for lack of a better word at this time). People would start making real music again for the masses. Why is it that our best rapper is Lil Wayne? No disrespect meant towards him, but they can't find anyone better than someone who displays a negative black male image?

My conspiracy theory is that the industry is pushing all of these shitty groups because the ones creating the real music actually have a message that those in power don't want us to hear. There are a lot of great conscious rappers, but the industry would never promote these groups. And because of this (and other faults), I could care less for the industry. When that happens, we will finally have real music again.

As far as file-sharing, it is pervasive in film and in video games too, but they are not suffering as much as a result. Even without illegal downloading, the music industry would still be in the same Crisis because they think that people will flock to buy shitty music if they "market" it correctly. And they are too short-sighted (or, per my conspiracy theory, unwilling) to change. If they started making quality music, people would actually start buying it.
 
I'm not going to lie I do download music, if the album I downloaded is that great I'll buy it, if it sucks then I won't.
Kind of just like testing it.
 
shion said:
I understand his intent but there nothing really he can do...you can't sue everyone.....I 'm sure somebody in the world is watching Prince videos with the SOUND....you can't stop technology...just embrace it.
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Actually Prince has done a great job of putting almost immediate stops to any YouTube video with his music included. Even if the video stays up the music is taken out. He ain't embracing anything.
 


madscientist said:
Real musicians make music regardless of any other circumstance. Whether they release that music to the public, however, is a totally different story.
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That's nice but even the greatest rock/blues/soul/country/pop/rap musicians of the past 50 years were greatly influenced by fame and money. The desire to spend as much time and energy to create the art is not acute when the financial benefit does not lead to riches. Might as well as get a real job instead.

Most of today's music is not even worth a free download because it is shit.
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Agreed. But what came first, the chicken or the egg? In music terms I would pose that question as what came first, a sparseness of great music or the internet age of illegal downloads. If I was a musician I would be depressed living in THIS era. If Michael Jackson had come around with Thriller right now it would sell, what. 10 million copies in its first run instead of the 40 million it did back in the 80s. Anyone heard of the name of Terence Trent D'Arby back in the late 80s. He had a highly critically acclaimed album that sold 15 million copies at least. And yet he wasn't probably even in the top 5 of albums sold over the year span of that album. Today we just had a year in which the biggest selling artist of 2008 (Taylor Swift ) sold somewhere between 2 to 3 million units. And that's the total combination of TWO of her albums from last year. D'Arby's sales would like a minor miracle today. Plus it doesn't help that music video channels no longer play music videos.



So I don't care much about the current industry. I believe that a music industry crash would actually be the best thing for music because such an event would weed out those musicians who are not "real" (for lack of a better word at this time). People would start making real music again for the masses.
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Artists can make that type of music now. Many have already left the record companies behind and are putting out music on their own. And increasingly more of them have come to the realization that consumers aren't buying, especially the young targeted demographic who now think its unfair to have to pay for the art they enjoy.

Why is it that our best rapper is Lil Wayne? No disrespect meant towards him, but they can't find anyone better than someone who displays a negative black male image?
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Back in the summer I wrote a post about the lack of black male singers in the industry and what forces are trying to do to our image. Not one damn person on this conscientious board responded. Not one. If it wasn't about booty no one gave a shit it seemed. So how do you expect the everyday cats out there to care about what Lil' Wayne does to our image. Black America has bought into it, especially black guys. As a result there are hardly any black male singers out there. Only divas. From the 50s through the mid to late 80s black male singers dominate the black representation of singers in both R&B and pop crossovers. Now black men (or at least African American men) are the only male singers who outnumbered by their female counterparts in a music category. White guys still dominate rock (big time), pop and country. Hispanic men dominate as singers. In fact there's a Mexican style of singing that its hard for females to even get a foothold in. In India the men are at least on equal footing with the women. In Arab or Mid-eastern nations its no surprise the men rule. But fucking African American men have allowed mainstream society and the industry (which has never been too comfortable with black male crooners) to put an end to the great black male R&B performer/rock artist. All we dominate as African American males is rap. In fact some of the most talented black males in the industry are nothing more than collaborators. They'd rather produce/help create the next Beyonce, Rhianna but they don't care about creating or helping black male equivalents. Or they may do a Timbaland and give all the best material to Justin Timberlake. But they don't care about making the next Michael Jackson or Marvin Gaye. You expect white guys to do that with country acts or rock acts? To ignore white men and just allow their women and some non-white dudes to have all the singing glory? Isn't it funny how every time there is a new black singing talent its almost always a woman. I guess black men have lost the singing gene. Oh, wait. American Idol has basically been indicating that during its whole run. We got almost a black militant First Lady inviting the Jonas Boys to entertain for her black daughters partially because there are almost no black male young idols out there (that ain't by accident) and the most well know black male music stars of today aren't exactly the family value type of folks you want to bring to any inauguration celebrations. I tried to go over much of this with a discussion but could find no takers. So no I'm not surprised that black dudes have their images defined by Lil' Wayne and Soulja Boy. We haven't demanded anything else. We keep buying THAT shit. We're more to blame than the music industry. Sorry for the rant. I'll now get back on course.


My conspiracy theory is that the industry is pushing all of these shitty groups because the ones creating the real music actually have a message that those in power don't want us to hear. There are a lot of great conscious rappers, but the industry would never promote these groups.
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Not real. I recall when the industry and music reviewers were promoting and talking up Common’s album a few years back and just before that giving all sorts of attention to The Roots. Guess what? Folks didn’t but the stuff, especially not black folks who wanted everything to be all gangsta despite what they had claim to have wanted.

And because of this (and other faults), I could care less for the industry. When that happens, we will finally have real music again.
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I don’t care much for rap so when I read your comments about “real music” I shake my head and say that isn’t the music I consider the most real anyhow. I don’t care if I ever see another black male rapper because that’s all I ever see of black men in the music industry. But, hey that’s me.

As far as file-sharing, it is pervasive in film and in video games too, but they are not suffering as much as a result.
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That’s some disingenuous points you just made. Considering how much more time, effort and memory that’s required to illegally download and/or share games compared to music its almost not even fair to make the comparison. By the way the movie industry is being hurt badly by this stuff but it was not the first target so it was able to learn from the music industry’s mistakes in terms of protecting its material. The film industry is far more aggressive in dealing with the situation and didn’t wait too long to before putting its foot down. The music industry though wobbled as it listened to folks who said it should not come down hard on folks (“kids” who downloaded and shared music illegally. The industry told it would alienate buyers and that by allowing the sharing to go on it would boost music sales. Well, the cold hard facts are that that was all bullshit. I remember in the 90s working with a bunch of white high school and college kids in one of the richest counties in America. Most of these co-workers had the money to buy as much music as they wanted without it coming out of their pockets. This was during the Clinton Era when the economy was good. But even these folks decided that they wanted to get their music for free. And you know what they saved their money for? Video games. They could not get the games free of charge after all but the ability to download music was the perfect way of holding onto money in case their parents did not cough up the dough. I could tell the music industry was in trouble at that moment. Took too long for the music industry to figure it out though.
 
pettyofficerj said:
I hate buying CDs for 1 or 2 good songs (while the rest suck ass).

Just thought you guys would like to know that

:rolleyes:
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Most music has sucked, most art has ssucked. That's how it always has been. No one expects you to buy a bad album or an awful CD. But when people used that as a reason to justify downoading an entire CD illegally they are just full of it and making excuses.
 
satyricon said:
Do you have a title?
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sure..

just about any sociological text that mentions socialist views, along with capitalism.

:)

I'm pretty sure Marx would have something to say about goods, that people 'need' (or want, the case being music) being sold to them for profit, instead of being available for free.

It's been a while since I studied sociology, but the damn 'science' is very interesting.
 
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