Why do you think US race issues are so deeply ingrained?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jxsilicon9, Sep 18, 2013.

  1. jxsilicon9

    jxsilicon9 Active Member

    I think the difference between US and other countries that don't have such ingrained race issues is US was founded on race. Other countries were pretty much founded on location,common interest,various groups combining,etc.US was founded on manifest destiny,Native American/black inferiority and so forth. Its ingrained in the institutions. What are you thoughts?
     
  2. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    correct
     
  3. jaisee

    jaisee Well-Known Member

    Well, lets start with the fact that the US is birthed in genocide and built on the backs of slaves.

    Racism is a part of this countries genetic makeup.
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2013
  4. JamahlSharif

    JamahlSharif Well-Known Member

    because as long as you can keep people mindlessly divided, you (the powers that be) will always be able to control them.....
     
  5. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    Bingo! This country was founded on GREED!! Racism is a game to keep people divided! Thats why it went beyond racism to a focus on skin tone as well.
     
  6. MilkandCoffee

    MilkandCoffee Well-Known Member

    Ironically, this country is probably the most race sensitive but the least race concious.

    Say something along the lines of "because, I'm black?" and people will just chuckle away when in reality that's most certainly the reason.

    This country's whole existence is based on (negative) race relations. Without its racist history; the US wouldn't be the big baller it is today.
     
  7. Gorath

    Gorath Well-Known Member

    And the blood of Native Americans who were in this country first.
     
  8. orejon4

    orejon4 Well-Known Member

    This. The genocide of Native Americans and the mass enslavement of Africans are the foundation upon which the US' economic might is built. Nothing 'exceptional' about it. Even an idiot could become wealthy and strong with a free (stolen) continent, free raw materials and 400 years of free labor to develop them.
     
  9. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Don't let Stumper hear you lol
     
  10. flaminghetero

    flaminghetero Well-Known Member

    Get off that shit....Native Amerians don't give a damn about your black ass.

    The cherokkkee didn't release a single african slave on their "trail of tears"...
    They just recently kicked all the black members out of the tribe.

    Not the whites....

    Indians were active slavers and they were also paddyrollers...in other words...they captured and reuturned slaves to whites for a profit.

    We need to get over this fanciful relationship with those red indians.

    Negro scholars like Henry lewis Gates is part of the problem..he admitted leaving terrible things about Indians from many of his books because he didn't want to show them in a negative light...

    When it comes to Black people they are every bit as racist as white folks.

    I went to school with native american twins....one married a BM the other a WM.

    Take a wild guess which one was disowned...:smt081
     
  11. jaisee

    jaisee Well-Known Member

    For starters, your post does nothing to discredit the fact that genocide of the natives did occur and is ingrained in this countries bloody past, and that it did occur at the hands of the same people who enslaved blacks. In fact, native Americans were made slaves right alongside blacks.

    Next, not all native American tribes are the same. Yes, some did keep black slaves and used them in trade with Europeans, but not all.

    Would type more but on my cell...
     
  12. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    That's no excuse. I've typed novellas on mine. :p
     
  13. jaisee

    jaisee Well-Known Member

    Ugh, I struggle to type in this thing. I fumble about the text pad and refuse to reduce myself to u r 2 cool nd I kno u r 2 da ndydpo
     
  14. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    :smt081
     
  15. EmperorLelouch

    EmperorLelouch New Member

    It only became the way it is now because of the european/africans slaves being rebellious against the status quo/powers that be in the 1600s. The people who are on top did some divide and conquer with the europeans and now you still see the results to this day. The most infamous slave rebellion with european and african slaves against those in power(to this day) was Bacons Rebellion.
     
  16. Ellemental

    Ellemental New Member

    Tip of the ice berg ... there are millions of journal articles, books, studies that discuss race issues and still no clear answers.
    There are just too many reasons because people are just so different and even with common ground there are different motivations, jallengea, perspectives, influences, priorities, approaches,ect .
     
  17. Stumper

    Stumper New Member

    Can any of you post scholarly links to any of the claims you make? This is talking out of your ass. So slavery is the foundation upon which made America the strongest country in the world? That's your claim?
     
  18. Morning Star

    Morning Star Well-Known Member

    It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that slavery contributed to the massive wealth America accumulated over the years. The link provided gives off some strong points, and yet...blind conservative talking heads would be very dismissive of factual claims.



    And not to take any risk, giving that knowledge is a crux to blind conservatism, here's the whole article on here. And from there, it takes an intelligent person to recognize such realities. Hell, it's simple economics.

     
  19. Stumper

    Stumper New Member

    I said scholarly, dude. Not an article based from Django Unchained, from a site called Colorlines....

    Here, I'll link something from the economist.

    It's a difficult question to tackle because there's so very much to it. America jumped to a huge productivity lead early last century by developing a resource- and capital-intense, high-throughput style of manufacturing producing mass market goods. The fractious, class-riven European continent struggled to copy this technology, and while adoption of these methods eventually led to a period of rapid catch-up growth, the process of catch-up was never quite completed. And so that's one gap to explore.

    There's also the question of what exactly one is comparing. What if we take similar European and American metropolitan areas and adjust for human capital and hours worked? On that basis, the difference between America and northern Europe looks relatively small. One might then focus on the ways in which America's more integrated domestic market leads to a lower level of within-continent inequality, even though national inequality levels in Europe compare favourably with America's.

    The size of the market may be more important than we imagine. As Mr Smith notes, four of the top five HDI countries share the Common Law. They also speak English. In a world in which national and cultural barriers still bite, America's wealth could be chalked up to the fact that it's a uniquely large and uniform nation. Common rules, culture, language, and so on facilitate high levels of trade and mobility. National and cultural barriers within Europe, by contrast, work to limit the extent to which the economic potential of the continent can be reached.

    Mr Smith also gets at something important in discussing immigration and talent. The economic geography of the world is lumpy, and talent likes to clump together into centres of innovation. Through fortune and foresight, America managed to develop world-leading centres of talent in places like Silicon Valley, Boston, and New York. Relatively open immigration rules and the promise of a safe harbour for war refugees, including persecuted Jews, helped build these knowledge centres. When one combines that innovative capacity with a system that makes it relatively easy to develop ideas and relatively lucrative to exploit them economically, the potential is there for rapid and sustained growth.

    America does seem to be special in important ways, but it's not always clear what those ways are. A liberal economic order and geographically mobile population are important, but so is the level of education, the promise of social mobility, and the openness of America's borders. It's worth keeping all of that in mind as the country's leaders think about the ways economic policy should change in the wake of the Great Recession.


    http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2010/11/growth

    But seriously, stop fucking saying America was built on the foundation of genocide, slavery, and all this other bullshit. Read a history book. Every nation on earth has something along those lines.
     
  20. Morning Star

    Morning Star Well-Known Member

    The Economist is really no different from any other blog or magazine site. Furthermore, there are countless articles, scholars would you simply look at your assessment and just say you're too quick to dismiss reality. If you want a scholarly bit of information, then here some common sense economics...

    The fact that slaves didn't get paid for their services greatly contributed to the affluence of the nation should speak great volumes. Opponents would dismiss this fact.


    Now, no one suggested that it was the SOLE factor, which I think you assume we're implying, which isn't the case, but it's been a major factor until the country made slavery illegal. During the time when slavery was perfectly legal, wealth was granted. Below is a graph to show you in the most simplistic sense.

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