http://www.mediatakeout.com/2008/29...e_street__with_black_men_tryin_to_holla_.html
Another thinly veiled attack on black men, by black women.
Another thinly veiled attack on black men, by black women.
Another Negative Documentary By BW attacking BM
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LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR
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Ah BM, can't live with 'em can't live without 'em.
karmacoma.
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They should make a doc on how if you try and talk to a BW like a gentleman, she'll look at you like you've got smallpox.
Dex216
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Dex216
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I get where the ladies are coming from, but they shouldn't say that all black guys are like that. I don't go walking down the street and say "You got a big booty, girl!" or "Lemmie get that numba, girl" to any woman. I know there are guys like that. I've seen it a few times. But it's not all black guys. And I've seen white, Latino and Asian guys do it as well.
LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR
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...and therein lies the answer.
yaj152
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That whole thing is stupid. Its just trying to make black men look like ignorant fools.
The truth is that fools come in all shapes colors and sizes. I've run across ignorant men and women of all races. The producers of that project are just trying to play off of sterotypes to make a fast buck. If nobody buys it, who ever put up the money for that project won't back them anymore and they won't get paid.
The truth is that fools come in all shapes colors and sizes. I've run across ignorant men and women of all races. The producers of that project are just trying to play off of sterotypes to make a fast buck. If nobody buys it, who ever put up the money for that project won't back them anymore and they won't get paid.
karmacoma.
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Nobody ever lost money complaining about black men.
yaj152
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Tinkerbell
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I totally understand these ladies, and they did not say ALL black men, they are talking about the neighborhoods they live in and grew up in and the men who stand around and call out to them. They are not talking about nice, kind, black gentlemen who frequent this board obviously. But that is exactly the kind of thing I have to go through when I take a walk down the street alone in some Mexican border town.
It is true, in my experience that White men don't tend to do the same thing, they are rude in their own way, but more quiet and personal about it. They may call out rude remarks of hatred, but not trying to "hook up" like Mexicans tend too here, and like these ladies sound like they are talking about.
Why? Don't you find them at least a little bit attractive. It happens to me all the time, and I don't consider myself attractive.
There is something culturally different in white men, and they don't tend to do that. (I'm not defending what they do, I'm just saying you could make the same documentary here about Hispanic men.)
It is true, in my experience that White men don't tend to do the same thing, they are rude in their own way, but more quiet and personal about it. They may call out rude remarks of hatred, but not trying to "hook up" like Mexicans tend too here, and like these ladies sound like they are talking about.
That's not what they said.
Why? Don't you find them at least a little bit attractive. It happens to me all the time, and I don't consider myself attractive.
There is something culturally different in white men, and they don't tend to do that. (I'm not defending what they do, I'm just saying you could make the same documentary here about Hispanic men.)
yaj152
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Yes thats true. Its just very foolish when someone generalizes on action or event and broadcasts that out as something that applies to the entire group. Thats a big problem with racism, sexism, and a lot of other issues. One person or one action should not represent an entire group.
Thats why I have the media sometimes. They play into some of these stupid sterotypes and that keeps those negative views about a particular group floating around in society.
Serendipity
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I can see that it can be annoying to these women but why are they so "offended" by the cat calls ?
Honestly I don't get it, why some women of any color take it so close to heart. Just walk by, who gives a fuck.
I will say this ... black men do it more than white men do, just based on personal experience. If I get any kind of comments or cat calls its always from black men. Ofcourse not all black men do that, but its more than white men do.
Honestly I don't get it, why some women of any color take it so close to heart. Just walk by, who gives a fuck.
I will say this ... black men do it more than white men do, just based on personal experience. If I get any kind of comments or cat calls its always from black men. Ofcourse not all black men do that, but its more than white men do.
Tinkerbell
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People have asked me the same thing, and one of the ladies on the video put it well. She basically said, "I'm a professional with a good job, I don't dress or act like a hoe." That's part of the problem, it's embarrassing especially when you are with someone else.
It makes a lady feel like they think she's "easy", it makes one wonder if she dressed inappropriately! That's what I feel like when I get it, and I would NEVER respond kindly to such a thing, it does nothing for me, I ignore it and walk on, because I don't want to be hostile.
This article was done in response to a young woman who was killed (age16) because she did respond negatively to them. These women feel threatened. I have felt threatened in some neighborhoods by this sort of thing.
Also these women are talking about comments regarding their "curves" and it gets old real quick, sometimes you don't know if it's a complement or an insult, it makes you wonder if they would like to have you or if they think you're fat.
hellspawn72
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I don't know if it was negative as much as informative. When "Sharp Talk with Al Sharpton" was on tv1, I remember this ep. where two black women came on talking about how to attract men. The younger woman made the case like in this doc. that she was "harassed" daily by some random guy who presumably wanted to talk to her. She stated how uneasy she felt about receiving a greeting from a total stranger out on the street even if it appeared innocent. THe other woman was older and argued that it's how women present themselves that affords whatever attention they got.
So I understand both sides. The issues seems to me that there is a general lack of respect for black girls and women in general. Black men, we have been guilty over the years, especially recently, of taking advantage of our own women. We should speak to them better and approach them in a more adult, respectable manner. In defense of brothas in general, those that holla at a girl from a crowd usually do it to play up to his boys. That guy probably might be the quietest of the bunch otherwise. Dudes do egg other dudes on. And sometimes brothas don't come correctly at a girl 'cause if she fine, he might think she'll act uppity like a gurly he got dissed by in a club or something. Some black girls are a little nasty when a regular brotha tries to come at 'em and talk to 'em. So there are a lot of factors at work.
So for black girls reading and friends of sistahs, have respect for yourself first. Hold your head up high with pride. And if a brotha comes at you wrong on the street, stop and correct him right on the spot in a respectful, lady-like fashion. You have the power ladies. We're after YOU of course. And, as men, we'll swallow our pride and listen. But be real. NO decent looking sistah can walk down ANY block and not be hollered at.
So I understand both sides. The issues seems to me that there is a general lack of respect for black girls and women in general. Black men, we have been guilty over the years, especially recently, of taking advantage of our own women. We should speak to them better and approach them in a more adult, respectable manner. In defense of brothas in general, those that holla at a girl from a crowd usually do it to play up to his boys. That guy probably might be the quietest of the bunch otherwise. Dudes do egg other dudes on. And sometimes brothas don't come correctly at a girl 'cause if she fine, he might think she'll act uppity like a gurly he got dissed by in a club or something. Some black girls are a little nasty when a regular brotha tries to come at 'em and talk to 'em. So there are a lot of factors at work.
So for black girls reading and friends of sistahs, have respect for yourself first. Hold your head up high with pride. And if a brotha comes at you wrong on the street, stop and correct him right on the spot in a respectful, lady-like fashion. You have the power ladies. We're after YOU of course. And, as men, we'll swallow our pride and listen. But be real. NO decent looking sistah can walk down ANY block and not be hollered at.
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hellspawn72
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Maybe not, mainly because this culture is designed for them to get virtually ANY woman they want. Even black women don't really complain when a white guy gets a sistah. They are both celebrated. But only in a country with this type of f'd up history can have a scenario where a black man must compete for his own. That's what alot of those holla-at brothas are doing out there. Sure, some are in bad neighborhoods and don't know the proper way to talk to a girl. But the fact is, he's aggressive because he knows if he sees she's fine and doesn't get her, the next guy down will.Originally Posted by Tinkerbell
I totally understand these ladies, and they did not say ALL black men, they are talking about the neighborhoods they live in and grew up in and the men who stand around and call out to them. They are not talking about nice, kind, black gentlemen who frequent this board obviously. But that is exactly the kind of thing I have to go through when I take a walk down the street alone in some Mexican border town.
It is true, in my experience that White men don't tend to do the same thing, they are rude in their own way, but more quiet and personal about it. They may call out rude remarks of hatred, but not trying to "hook up" like Mexicans tend too here, and like these ladies sound like they are talking about.
That's not what they said.
Why? Don't you find them at least a little bit attractive. It happens to me all the time, and I don't consider myself attractive.
There is something culturally different in white men, and they don't tend to do that. (I'm not defending what they do, I'm just saying you could make the same documentary here about Hispanic men.)
It's not just all about respect, it's about competition. We men put ourselves out there daily to be noticed by females. And sometimes we don't play the game well. But girls love the hunt as much as we do and should play it close to how we do. Respect goes both ways.
Liquid Swords
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In my experience white guys are a billion times more crude when it comes to this thing. Seriously. With thrusting and awful gestures. It's tragic.
To be fair, those women should be happy someone is hollering at them. IMO they are not that attractive.
That's sad about the girl getting killed though.
To be fair, those women should be happy someone is hollering at them. IMO they are not that attractive.
That's sad about the girl getting killed though.
scylla
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Yes! It is damn annoying to get catcalls and yes it makes you feel like you have "easy" stamped on your forehead.
We had a girl here who was kicked down by 20(!!) guys after she told them to shut up when they called her svennehora (basically meaning swedish whore)... The article said that the city had problems with gangs and ethnical conflicts.. which basically means that this was arab guys. Their behavior has one reason only, and it's a fucked up view of women. It has nothing to do with religion (the qu'ran condemns violence against women) mind you. But it's a culture clash. They come from a home where the women is the ones upholding or ruining the reputation of the whole family.. and then they go out here and see women who live a completely different life.
And catcalls here, I get them way more often from arabic guys.. I don't go into certain parts of this area if I'm not accompanied by at least 2 older men, that can protect me and keep the guys away, because trust me.. it gets nasty. Last time I walked through those areas I had guys screaming at me that they would rape me.. Yey.
scylla
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Just a tiny TINY suggestion for you guys, maybe you shouldnt go complaining about the girls getting fed up with such bad behavior, but MAYBE you should start trying to change the behavior of the men who disrespect them.
And no, it's not good enough saying that you would never do that yourself, for just like you claim that these guys don't represent all black men, you don't either. It goes both ways. You will get shyte for the stupid peoples behavior. So either you start doing something to stop this, or you just lost your say.
The women who get harassed isn't the ones who has to change..
I'm not saying that you are the ones doing it, but I'm saying that it is the men who does it who needs to change. Until that happen, I'm not blaming the women who "badmouth" these guys.
And no, it's not good enough saying that you would never do that yourself, for just like you claim that these guys don't represent all black men, you don't either. It goes both ways. You will get shyte for the stupid peoples behavior. So either you start doing something to stop this, or you just lost your say.
The women who get harassed isn't the ones who has to change..
I'm not saying that you are the ones doing it, but I'm saying that it is the men who does it who needs to change. Until that happen, I'm not blaming the women who "badmouth" these guys.
LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR
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Yeah, a Finnish-born professor teaching at a Catholic college here (with mostly Arab-americans ironic, eh?) gets disrespected everyday, they (especially the guys) never take her serious, question her grading/knowledge (and she's the teacher), do mass cheating in her classes (with no fear of getting disciplined 'cos the school treats them like CUSTOMERS...yep...CUSTOMERS), get angry when she grades them hard (the fuck?), and are just plain annoying.