Someone here will vote for Trump ?

4north1side2 said:
So far I'm not aware of him saying or proposing anything that would hurt black people. So he said racist stuff about mexicans and muslims? Why should black folks care. It's useful to pretend solidarity to others but don't burden yourself with their problems.

As for black people....Why go to his rallies? Why become the face of anti-Trump when it did not target black folks in the first place? Are you thinking straight? Let mexicans and muslims handle it. Don't become the scapegoat or sacrificial lamb. Everyone who wants Trump, don't think the man is a genius, they just see him as a means to an end.
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Per the bolded part above, he has slung racist mud at Black people as well... per Politifact...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mp/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/

"Trump tweeted an image that made various statistical claims, including that blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims. Almost every number in the image is wrong. The statistics on white victims are exaggerated five-fold. The police-related deaths are off as well.
We rate this claim Pants on Fire."


As far as going to his rallies, I think it is important for the groups that he is demagoging to have a presence at his rallies to keep a watchful eye on his mongering. I think it would be smarter for them to listen and document and expose his comments, rather than disrupt, look at the link below for all of the false and half truth comments he has made, the man is a lunatic of the highest order...


http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/
 
4north1side2 said:
So far I'm not aware of him saying or proposing anything that would hurt black people. So he said racist stuff about mexicans and muslims? Why should black folks care. It's useful to pretend solidarity to others but don't burden yourself with their problems.

So he wants to deport illegal immigrants?
Even if that's unrealistic, wouldn't building a wall (curbing further illegal immigration) actually help black folks in the end. Don't those immigrants drive down wages and take jobs that could go to americans. Don't they siphon resources away from american communities to pay for social programs in their communities. Who pays for the free education their children receive?

Even if you don't like Donald Trump, why be overly hostile towards the man, his campaign and supporters?

No disrespect, you say Trump supporters are intellectually challenged but your post was full of emotion, nothing more more... But you want to shit on Trump supporters when your no different.


As for black people....Why go to his rallies? Why become the face of anti-Trump when it did not target black folks in the first place? Are you thinking straight? Let mexicans and muslims handle it. Don't become the scapegoat or sacrificial lamb. Everyone who wants Trump, don't think the man is a genius, they just see him as a means to an end.

America is a pie. Why fight for others to have greater access to the pie when you yourself are lacking.

Be self-serving. I'm not saying Trump is the right candidate but unless it becomes explicit that he has anti-black sentiments and ambitions, black folks don't need to join the crusade against him. Blacks need to weight they options, carefully. Don't be the foot-soldiers for other groups. You first, you second, you third; that's the mentality.
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It's so disheartening to think you may actually believe the words you posted, especially because I think there are many other young Americans who view this issue similarly. To passively accept Trumps war on Mexicans and Muslims simply because it doesn't affect you, is incredibly naive and short sighted. Trust that he WILL turn his attention from those groups, to others, eventually. Will it still be no big deal at that point? Why not stop the storm while it's still semi-controllable instead of letting his hate permeate this country until it's a full fledged war between its citizens? We have to be proactive when it comes to the cancerous hate that man is spreading. You're very much of a reactionary mindset and I think that'll end up biting you in the ass when it comes to the equality and treatment of minorities in this country.
 
People forget about all those national town halls the Obama administration conducted before the vote on the ACA and at nearly every one there were protesters who stood up and shouted down the speakers, sometimes ending the discussions.

NO ONE was ever beat down by the audience.
No riots.

This is all a Trump phenomenon.
He's a wanna be thug. The scary thing is he's got would be goons who want to follow him.
 
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4north1side2 said:
So far I'm not aware of him saying or proposing anything that would hurt black people. So he said racist stuff about mexicans and muslims? Why should black folks care. It's useful to pretend solidarity to others but don't burden yourself with their problems.

So he wants to deport illegal immigrants?
Even if that's unrealistic, wouldn't building a wall (curbing further illegal immigration) actually help black folks in the end. Don't those immigrants drive down wages and take jobs that could go to americans. Don't they siphon resources away from american communities to pay for social programs in their communities. Who pays for the free education their children receive?

Even if you don't like Donald Trump, why be overly hostile towards the man, his campaign and supporters?

No disrespect, you say Trump supporters are intellectually challenged but your post was full of emotion, nothing more more... But you want to shit on Trump supporters when your no different.


As for black people....Why go to his rallies? Why become the face of anti-Trump when it did not target black folks in the first place? Are you thinking straight? Let mexicans and muslims handle it. Don't become the scapegoat or sacrificial lamb. Everyone who wants Trump, don't think the man is a genius, they just see him as a means to an end.

America is a pie. Why fight for others to have greater access to the pie when you yourself are lacking.

Be self-serving. I'm not saying Trump is the right candidate but unless it becomes explicit that he has anti-black sentiments and ambitions, black folks don't need to join the crusade against him. Blacks need to weight they options, carefully. Don't be the foot-soldiers for other groups. You first, you second, you third; that's the mentality.
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You told me you stand by your illegal mexican Brothers.
 
I don't think he is good for diplomacy. While I am a not a big fan of the Democrats either, if it came down to it I would vote demo. ugh
 
I don't find anything interesting about Trump except for one thing: sooo many people are voting for him. Quite possibly a majority of Americans could support him in the general election. That's a lot of people. They defy stereotypes; all segments of society are represented among them. It's his supporters -- and not Trump -- who are the fascinating and elusive characters in this. They're the real story I think. And what the rest of us think about Trump clearly doesn't matter, so that bores
 
I think Trump gets crushed in a general election against Hillary.

We're hearing from a vocal minority right now, but when shit gets serious and your vote is actually for the next POTUS, most grown folks IMO are not going to vote for an un-serious candidate like Trump.

Hillary is going to get 60-90% of the women's vote, 70-90% of the Hispanic vote, and 99% of the Black vote.

There simply aren't enough angry White men to put him in the WH.

Florida/California/Pennsylvania/Ohio/NY are all near locks for Hillary.

That's the election right there.
 
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andreboba said:
I think Trump gets crushed in a general election against Hillary.

We're hearing from a vocal minority right now, but when shit gets serious and your vote is actually for the next POTUS, most grown folks IMO are not going to vote for an un-serious candidate like Trump.

Hillary is going to get 60-90% of the women's vote, 70-90% of the Hispanic vote, and 99% of the Black vote.

There simply aren't enough angry White men to put him in the WH.

Florida/California/Pennsylvania/Ohio/NY are all near locks for Hillary.

That's the elections right there.
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How do you figure Ohio and PA?
 
andreboba said:
I think Trump gets crushed in a general election against Hillary.

We're hearing from a vocal minority right now, but when shit gets serious and your vote is actually for the next POTUS, most grown folks IMO are not going to vote for an un-serious candidate like Trump.

Hillary is going to get 60-90% of the women's vote, 70-90% of the Hispanic vote, and 99% of the Black vote.

There simply aren't enough angry White men to put him in the WH.

Florida/California/Pennsylvania/Ohio/NY are all near locks for Hillary.

That's the elections right there.
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The wild card factor is the anti-establishment vote. Ironically Hillary represents the business as usual part of Washington D.C. politics that a lot of Trump and Bernie voters are rallying against. If Trump can pivot to the "real change" and "outsider" message during the general election. He might be able to make this a tighter race than we think. On top of that Hillary's unfavorability numbers don't look good.

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I do think many will see it as the lesser of two evils. It's just hard to imagine someone who would otherwise vote for Clinton swinging over to Trump.
 
Beasty said:
How do you figure Ohio and PA?
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Obama won both PA and Ohio in 2008 and 2012 and Ohio is still a big union state.

Bill Clinton carried the same states in 1996.
Hillary should do the same.

If people listen to Trump carefully, they'll find out what he's all about.
He wants to help American business become more successful, which doesn't have a thing to do with increasing worker's wages.
 
Thump said:
The wild card factor is the anti-establishment vote. Ironically Hillary represents the business as usual part of Washington D.C. politics that a lot of Trump and Bernie voters are rallying against. If Trump can pivot to the "real change" and "outsider" message during the general election. He might be able to make this a tighter race than we think. On top of that Hillary's unfavorability numbers don't look good.

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Maybe so, but Trump's numbers are even worse:
Most political and media commentators have at this point installed Donald Trump as the GOP front-runner on the eve of the first actual voting set to begin on Monday in Iowa. But this narrative tends to obscure the fact that Trump is the most unpopular candidate of either party when the entire U.S. population is taken into account -- and that he has a higher unfavorable rating than any nominated candidate from either of the two major parties going back to the 1992 election when we began to track favorability using the current format.
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http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polli...ELECTION_2016&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

Republicans don't want him, independents don't like him, and Democrats absolutely hate him. Trump isn't just moderately unpopular, he's historically unpopular. I doubt that's going to change over the next few months.
 
andreboba said:
Obama won both PA and Ohio in 2008 and 2012 and Ohio is still a big union state.

Bill Clinton carried the same states in 1996.
Hillary should do the same.

If people listen to Trump carefully, they'll find out what he's all about.
He wants to help American business become more successful, which doesn't have a thing to do with increasing worker's wages.
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I can't find the article now but I read an article a few days ago that confirmed what I had suspected for the past few years: that Democrats start off with a pretty heavy electoral college advantage that is only going to get more lopsided over the years.

We saw part of it in the past two elections: Democrats usually start out with enough "safe" states to get to about 220-230 electoral votes needed to win the Presidency while Republicans start with enough "safe" votes to get to just slightly over 100 electoral votes. Since all you need to win is 270 all it takes for a Democrat to flip a few swing states and they're in.

It may not happen for a few more years but it's entirely possible that if enough swing states become reliably blue states because of demographic changes and population shifts Republicans may never win the White House again. Clinton can lose three or four of those swing states that Obama won and probably still be elected.
 
Loki said:
Per the bolded part above, he has slung racist mud at Black people as well... per Politifact...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mp/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/

"Trump tweeted an image that made various statistical claims, including that blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims. Almost every number in the image is wrong. The statistics on white victims are exaggerated five-fold. The police-related deaths are off as well.
We rate this claim Pants on Fire."


As far as going to his rallies, I think it is important for the groups that he is demagoging to have a presence at his rallies to keep a watchful eye on his mongering. I think it would be smarter for them to listen and document and expose his comments, rather than disrupt, look at the link below for all of the false and half truth comments he has made, the man is a lunatic of the highest order...


http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/
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Racially insensitive but not racist so far.


RaiderLL said:
It's so disheartening to think you may actually believe the words you posted, especially because I think there are many other young Americans who view this issue similarly. To passively accept Trumps war on Mexicans and Muslims simply because it doesn't affect you, is incredibly naive and short sighted. Trust that he WILL turn his attention from those groups, to others, eventually. Will it still be no big deal at that point? Why not stop the storm while it's still semi-controllable instead of letting his hate permeate this country until it's a full fledged war between its citizens? We have to be proactive when it comes to the cancerous hate that man is spreading. You're very much of a reactionary mindset and I think that'll end up biting you in the ass when it comes to the equality and treatment of minorities in this country.
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LOL!!!! You would be a perfect fit for Fox news with all that exaggerated hysteria.

Sooooo Trump has a war with Mexicans and Muslims, please do tell? This is new to me, so sending illegals back home and stopping muslims from temporarily entering the country while they sorted thru the San Bernardino shooting is considered a war now.


Your just a lilly white girl with idealist views who lives in a fantasy kumbaya world.
 
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Democrats showing they ass

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Anti Trump protesters are so intelligent and all about coming together but belittle theyre fellow black man

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Anti Trump protesters are very intelligent but block a fucking highway disrupting their fellow americans day

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Anti Trump protester can't intelligently get her point across so she resorts to screaming and saying a whole bunch of nothing. Trump supporter openly debates Anti Trump protesters who resort to a bunch of bullshit rheotic, exaggerated hysteria, and name calling in return. But but but anti trump supporters are soooooo intelligent.


What's most disgusting is how so many blacks are on the front line fighting for people who couldn't give a shit less about them but y'all keep drinking that democratic kool aid.


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Fat fuck needs to be supporting his damn health :smt081
 
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