Jesse Williams' BET Speech did you catch it?

The Dark King said:
Talk about false equivelancy. If you can't see there was a stark difference in treatment between house and field slaves then there's no conversation to be had. House slaves got an education sometimes they would even get property, who do you think all the light skin aristocrats who started clubs like Jack and Jill were? Why do you think there was a paper bag test there was a definite benefit to having lighter skin are you honestly going to deny that?
A better analogy might have been one slave has to beg for water and another had to wait for rain to drink.
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You're grossly overgeneralizing.
Most house slaves did not get an education. Rarely did they own property free and clear, since they were, you know, STILL SLAVES.
Not all house slaves were light skinned.

You need to specify if you're talking about 'colored' Black folk in Louisiana who were often granted free status by their slavemasters, and random house slaves in the anetebellum South.

Jack and Jill, brown bag test, etc;, that was ALL Black folk hating on themselves and attempting to replicate White culture by inventing artificial class distinctions.

The fact is still the same, as soon as any light skinned Negro started feeling themselves and wanted to be treated on equal status as White Americans, his or her ass was beaten back down to the bottom.


Some house slaves WERE indeed treated better, but usually because they were the direct offspring of the slavemaster.

Subjugating your own flesh and blood to the status of livestock isn't a better life to me.

White folk more or less lump anyone who has Black ancestry into the same category.

More often than not WE Black folk are the ones who perpetuate the cultural preference for light skin.

Look at Jesse Williams' career.
Is he really getting over because he looks mostly White???
 
Ra said:
I was pointing out the fact that we have black dudes on this very forum who care nothing about the black community or other black people on any level, never mind they don't actually like white women as much as they claim.


Any black men claiming to be attracted to white women, but has issues with light skinned blacks or biracial people, that's more than just some friction. That's some type of privilege issue going on. Especially if they are ALWAYS finding ways to inject and talk about black women in any conversations and how much a problem they are.
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Deepest, most real comment in this thread.:smt038

Dudes simply are shortsighted in their affection for WW, and don't consider the fact any consummated relationship with a WW is going to result in offspring who look like Jesse Williams.
 
andreboba said:
Deepest, most real comment in this thread.:smt038

Dudes simply are shortsighted in their affection for WW, and don't consider the fact any consummated relationship with a WW is going to result in offspring who look like Jesse Williams.
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Exactly....Whatever demographic they are dissing( bw or light skinned dudes) they will have that offspring. So if they think bw or light skinned dudes are garbage will that thought process be for their kid
 
goodlove8 said:
Exactly....Whatever demographic they are dissing( bw or light skinned dudes) they will have that offspring. So if they think bw or light skinned dudes are garbage will that thought process be for their kid
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You didn't get the memo because you're not one of the special black snowflakes. All of their offspring will be male and come out with dark skin no matter the race of the mother.....
 
Ra said:
You didn't get the memo because you're not one of the special black snowflakes. All of their offspring will be male and come out with dark skin no matter the race of the mother.....
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They really don't know how stupid they look especially to a ww
 
Ra said:
I was pointing out the fact that we have black dudes on this very forum who care nothing about the black community or other black people on any level, never mind they don't actually like white women as much as they claim.


Any black men claiming to be attracted to white women, but has issues with light skinned blacks or biracial people, that's more than just some friction. That's some type of privilege issue going on. Especially if they are ALWAYS finding ways to inject and talk about black women in any conversations and how much a problem they are.
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My bad then. I stand corrected
 
goodlove8 said:
False equivalence
We aren't immigrants. We were stolen
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What are you talking about? In my examples of immigrants I didn't use black people as an example and not every black person in the US was descended from slaves in this country. A lot of our families chose to come here just like other immigrants.
 
Beasty said:
Did I say it was not a difference? If you see a man with 10% of his natural rights as being privileged just because his darker cousin only has 5% of his rights. That's your issue.
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When you're saying 10% of your rights vs 5% of your rights is basically the same thing then yes you are saying there is no difference when you're literally show there's a 5% difference. And in the race and colorism game the difference is usually much bigger. Do you see a working class white person who has 20% more rights than a working class black person as different?
 
andreboba said:
You're grossly overgeneralizing.
Most house slaves did not get an education. Rarely did they own property free and clear, since they were, you know, STILL SLAVES.
Not all house slaves were light skinned.

You need to specify if you're talking about 'colored' Black folk in Louisiana who were often granted free status by their slavemasters, and random house slaves in the anetebellum South.

Jack and Jill, brown bag test, etc;, that was ALL Black folk hating on themselves and attempting to replicate White culture by inventing artificial class distinctions.

The fact is still the same, as soon as any light skinned Negro started feeling themselves and wanted to be treated on equal status as White Americans, his or her ass was beaten back down to the bottom.


Some house slaves WERE indeed treated better, but usually because they were the direct offspring of the slavemaster.

Subjugating your own flesh and blood to the status of livestock isn't a better life to me.

White folk more or less lump anyone who has Black ancestry into the same category.

More often than not WE Black folk are the ones who perpetuate the cultural preference for light skin.

Look at Jesse Williams' career.
Is he really getting over because he looks mostly White???
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1. I never said all house slaves got an education I said often and in some cases owned property which is far better than their field slave counterparts who for the most part, unless done in secret, never got any of these privileges.

2. The colorism system may have been self imposed but it didn't happen in a vacuum, whether it was because the light skinned slaves were the product of the slave master or not there was preferential treatment given to lighter skin people and everyone saw it. And sorry to burst your bubble but white people have often told me that lighter skin black people came across as far less threatening to them, hell look at our women who do they often hold up as pretty. Lupita and Naiomi are rare occurrences. Look at the OJ trial they often made him darker on the cover of magazines, not black people but whites who found the image of a darker black person more threatening.

3. Yes being half white has greatly benefited Jessie Williams, he himself has said so, he himself recognizes it so why can't you?
 
The Dark King said:
When you're saying 10% of your rights vs 5% of your rights is basically the same thing then yes you are saying there is no difference when you're literally show there's a 5% difference. And in the race and colorism game the difference is usually much bigger. Do you see a working class white person who has 20% more rights than a working class black person as different?
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Oh you want to be silly? :smt043

White men are not discriminated on skin color /race. They are at 110+% . Because fair is everyone being at 100%. Privilege is when you have MORE because others are denied opportunity.

You got it now?
 
Beasty said:
Oh you want to be silly? :smt043

White men are not discriminated on skin color /race. They are at 110+% . Because fair is everyone being at 100%. Privilege is when you have MORE because others are denied opportunity.

You got it now?
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How is that any different than what I said? Are you just trying to come up with a point at any cost now?
 
Beasty said:
So explain to me how a light skinned black man has more natural rights than he deserves at the expense of others


Here in America
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Asked and answered. Jessie Williams highlights it perfectly. Light skin men and women are often thought of as far less threatening and preferred for visible positions in employment and in entertainment.
 
The Dark King said:
Asked and answered. Jessie Williams highlights it perfectly. Light skin men and women are often thought of as far less threatening and preferred for visible positions in employment and in entertainment.
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Everyone deserves that. That's not a privilege. You getting this yet? Are you really that conditioned to think that's something special??
 
That's sad, you are acting like someone who thinks the slave masters done us a favor by bringing us here.
 
Beasty said:
Everyone deserves that. That's not a privilege. You getting this yet? Are you really that conditioned to think that's something special??
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Beasty who is talking about what's deserved and not deserved? This conversation is about what is. And when you're being denied these things it does become privilege. How is it any different than white privilege?
 
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