Chicago: Experiencing Shootings every week, Going Unnoticed

I knew a guy from Chicago. He told me that the gun laws there were really screwed up. He told me that in Chicago, a person can purchase a gun to protect the home. But they cannot carry a gun concealed even if they had no criminal record. This was 8 1/2 years ago. I guess if a person lived outside of Chicago, it would be different.
 
The Dark King said:
It's cause they're black and poor. Mystery solved.
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Read any comment section on any Chicago Tribune article about the various shootings that happen on the daily there, and you will see comment after comment asking why those "black lives don't matter".

The problem with the BLM movement is that it seems to only be focusing on white cops killing black people (which is a problem) and not focusing on a bigger problem of gang violence in the inner cities.

There needs to be more protests on GANG VIOLENCE...there aren't enough.

People give a shit. Stop making BS broad statements.
 
Bookworm616 said:
Read any comment section on any Chicago Tribune article about the various shootings that happen on the daily there, and you will see comment after comment asking why those "black lives don't matter".

The problem with the BLM movement is that it seems to only be focusing on white cops killing black people (which is a problem) and not focusing on a bigger problem of gang violence in the inner cities.

There needs to be more protests on GANG VIOLENCE...there aren't enough.

People give a shit. Stop making BS broad statements.
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You stop criminals by making them legit or putting them in jail. Why do you think protesting is going to stop gangs when they make their money off of violence?? Why is it so hard to see that police brutality and gang violence are two separate issues holy shit.
 
Beasty said:
You stop criminals by making them legit or putting them in jail. Why do you think protesting is going to stop gangs when they make their money off of violence?? Why is it so hard to see that police brutality and gang violence are two separate issues holy shit.
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When did I say they weren't?

I'm not an idiot.

Everyone understands they're two separate issues, but my point is that why is there not as much uproar about gang violence as there is about police violence? Why do we ONLY hear about the BLM movement when there's a police shooting and not ALSO when there's a rash of gang violence killing innocent people??
 
Bookworm616 said:
When did I say they weren't?

I'm not an idiot.

Everyone understands they're two separate issues, but my point is that why is there not as much uproar about gang violence as there is about police violence? Why do we ONLY hear about the BLM movement when there's a police shooting and not ALSO when there's a rash of gang violence killing innocent people??
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Are you suggesting they boycott violence and drugs when those things are already illegal?

When in your personal life do you start working on another problem before you put a dent in the first?

Are you helping them with the first issue that they are working on? If not why criticize?

I know you are not an idiot. I'm not the one telling you to act like one, that's your doing.
 
Bookworm616 said:
When did I say they weren't?

I'm not an idiot.

Everyone understands they're two separate issues, but my point is that why is there not as much uproar about gang violence as there is about police violence? Why do we ONLY hear about the BLM movement when there's a police shooting and not ALSO when there's a rash of gang violence killing innocent people??
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Part of the issue is that Black Lives Matter interpreted by those critical as being exclusionary. Of course the true message is... Black Lives Matter, too. We reject the All Lives Matter slogan because it simply issues a blanket statement that (in my opinion) suggests that all is well (or well enough) between races/ethnicities and that's not the case.

BLM is largely targeting police brutality against blacks. Sure, black on black crime is a problem and it seems that everyone who's against BLM wants to focus on it while giving police yet another pass to continue their terror against blacks.

The police (and others) are trying their best to get the focus off them, convince everyone that police misconduct doesn't happen and have everyone believe the violence against blacks is justified. A defining moment in NYC for the NYPD was when Mayor DeBlasio mentioned that he had "The Talk" with his bi-racial son. The police got all up in their feelings. As they often say about civilians... If you're not doing anything wrong... then there's nothing to worry about.

So the police (and some politicians) want to convince everyone that there's nothing wrong with them and that it's civilians who need to reform. The problem is that the public is seeing too much questionable action with police, and they're rightfully disturbed.
 
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Bookworm616 said:
When did I say they weren't?

I'm not an idiot.

Everyone understands they're two separate issues, but my point is that why is there not as much uproar about gang violence as there is about police violence? Why do we ONLY hear about the BLM movement when there's a police shooting and not ALSO when there's a rash of gang violence killing innocent people??
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It's the difference between a teen driving drunk and your local bus driver showing up for work intoxicated.
They aren't held to the same standard therefore the outrage is different.
When we think about cops and law enforcement, we think we're dealing with public servants and rational actors.

A cop is trained by the state and has a public mandate to enforce the LAW.
Why would any sane person compare police officers use of excessive lethal force to hundreds of knuckleheaded teenage gangbangers???

There are community activists in every city in the country fighting against gang violence and of course they deserve more attention from the media.

If you have any ties to a community threatened by gang violence, it's a very important issue to you.

But let's be honest, police brutality has been a bigger problem for the Black community historically than gang violence.

Be aware when you change the issue about priorities for an activist group like BLM, you're using a standard diversionary tactic applied by those on the right.

Those who question why BLM is so concerned about police brutality only raise the question as a hypothetical, because NO ONE on the right is doing a damn thing to highlight the issue of gang violence and its impact on Black youth, beyond a Black crime stat.
 
Let's think about this too. So you live in an area where there is gang violence (or know people who do). Things happen and what do you do? You call the police?

I used to live in Fresno and I would hear about all sorts of things going on...much of which was not reported on, or if it was - very little was said. We knew 2 teenage girls who were swimming in a pool at their apartment complex when some drugged up freak jumped the fence and stabbed the girls...slit one of their throats. Hardly anything was said about it, and that wasn't even thought to be a gang situation, but it was a poor area. Some areas had shootings going on all the time...no big news story or anything. The attitude was let them kill each other. But we all know, the reality is they aren't just out killing each other.

People in the community were afraid to call the cops. They were afraid of the gang violence and they were afraid of the police brutality. Even when they were calling the cops...it would take them a long time to come (if they did at all)
 
K said:
Let's think about this too. So you live in an area where there is gang violence (or know people who do). Things happen and what do you do? You call the police?

I used to live in Fresno and I would hear about all sorts of things going on...much of which was not reported on, or if it was - very little was said. We knew 2 teenage girls who were swimming in a pool at their apartment complex when some drugged up freak jumped the fence and stabbed the girls...slit one of their throats. Hardly anything was said about it, and that wasn't even thought to be a gang situation, but it was a poor area. Some areas had shootings going on all the time...no big news story or anything. The attitude was let them kill each other. But we all know, the reality is they aren't just out killing each other.

People in the community were afraid to call the cops. They were afraid of the gang violence and they were afraid of the police brutality. Even when they were calling the cops...it would take them a long time to come (if they did at all)
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How is anyone afraid to call the cops yet expected to be brave enough to march against the criminals?

I've yet to see anyone explain how marching Will resolve that issue. The only way black people can fix that is if they are allowed to police their own neighbors which would required Chicago PD to stay out and mind their own business.
 
Aids activists should just be quiet because hypertension kills more people. Exercise and quit eating salt and you don't have to worry about getting HIV. One solution to two problems logic.
 
Beasty said:
Aids activists should just be quiet because hypertension kills more people. Exercise and quit eating salt and you don't have to worry about getting HIV. One solution to two problems logic.
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Didn't you know...human beings can only deal with one issue
 
K said:
Didn't you know...human beings can only deal with one issue
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Two different problems two different solutions. First of all it takes a street smart person to fix black on black crime. I fixed jets. You wanna call me to fix your body when you need an operation? I'll try no guarantees though.
 
Beasty said:
Two different problems two different solutions. First of all it takes a street smart person to fix black on black crime. I fixed jets. You wanna call me to fix your body when you need an operation? I'll try no guarantees though.
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I understand....Of course people need to focus on where their strengths lie.

I think it's ridiculous to come at BLM for not focusing on gang violence. It doesn't mean they aren't caring about those issues. We all have our strengths and whatever resources we have. We all have our priorities. I don't think it's fair to take a look at BLM and say well then why aren't they going to fix the gang violence and the killings in Chicago (as well as other areas). BLM was born out of police killing young black men, that's the focus and they have more than enough work to keep them going in that area alone.

There just seems to be this really odd thing where people want to toss it all together and it becomes "Black issues"
 
K said:
I understand....Of course people need to focus on where their strengths lie.

I think it's ridiculous to come at BLM for not focusing on gang violence. It doesn't mean they aren't caring about those issues. We all have our strengths and whatever resources we have. We all have our priorities. I don't think it's fair to take a look at BLM and say well then why aren't they going to fix the gang violence and the killings in Chicago (as well as other areas). BLM was born out of police killing young black men, that's the focus and they have more than enough work to keep them going in that area alone.

There just seems to be this really odd thing where people want to toss it all together and it becomes "Black issues"
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It's redicious to tell a 19 year old college kid they should do something about the crime in Chicago just because they decided to protest against police brutality in thier respective cities.

I guess Carlton from fresh Prince of Belair is supposed to do something about crime. Smh
 
Some black people think like that too. I'm gonna explain this to the people I know one time and if they don't get it we can go our separate ways. I don't expect my friends to agree with me on a lot of things but this is just pre homosexual erectus level stupidity.
 
Idk - I just don't think the attitude of that "they" (whoever the f they are) need to be addressing this or that gets us anywhere. Where and who are this "they"?

It's really easy to sit back and criticize whatever organization out there, but it comes down to wtf are you (as in each and every one of us) doing to make things better?

Maybe the 19 year old doesn't have any understanding or even knowledge of what's going on in Chicago, but he cared enough to go protest with BLM. Instead of picking at those who are doing things....maybe we should be more focused on what we (each and every one of us) is doing to make a difference.
 
K said:
Idk - I just don't think the attitude of that "they" (whoever the f they are) need to be addressing this or that gets us anywhere. Where and who are this "they"?

It's really easy to sit back and criticize whatever organization out there, but it comes down to wtf are you (as in each and every one of us) doing to make things better?

Maybe the 19 year old doesn't have any understanding or even knowledge of what's going on in Chicago, but he cared enough to go protest with BLM. Instead of picking at those who are doing things....maybe we should be more focused on what we (each and every one of us) is doing to make a difference.
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I applaud anyone engaged in the struggle for social change. Very few arrive at the struggle fully formed ideologically. The struggle itself helps people evolve in their thinking. I think it's more of a journey.
 
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