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meowkittenmeow said:
It doesn't really matter at this point does it? There is only one person in this entire thread that has an issue with what happened. In addition to that, K let us know why so many women lurk as opposed to post in here these days. I find that if a non-black person goes off at the mouth with the same deflection and comments that most white supremacists use, then what is the point of arguing? I don't think there is a coincidence as to why this thread is so calm when Bliss isn't around. Anyone that uses rape to try to win an argument with a rape survivor, deflects at the same rate as a white supremacist, and comes forward with the same comments, almost verbatim, as many white supremacists in social media... You begin to understand what you are dealing with.

I put Bliss on ignore (unfortunately, I still end up seeing her silliness if I check a thread without logging in), you wouldn't believe how peaceful and calm this thread is without the name calling, deflecting, and so on. Everyone in this thread either agrees or is in the middle of the road on this subject. After looking at it through that lense, I realize that K wasn't exaggerating in the least.

Try ignore, you will be amazed at how wonderful, fun, and peaceful this forum is.

P.S. Our previous conversation reminded me of this

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Dying to see this. It's gonna be a nerdfest lol
 
Never used the word sausage fest. I personally like talking to other like minded brothas, as oppose to you, bliss who just wants to argue. I hadn't been on here for a long while a couple years. You stayed,and are arguing just as much as back then, using as much deflection and disrespect as always. I realize that you need the attention which is why you argue. It's fine, I'm over it. You lost what little remaining respect I had for you when you used rape to try and win an argument. Even K called you out on that. Have a good one. I'll just focus on the positivity in this thread (because literally everyone here is positive, but you).
 
Bliss said:
Do you remember a male poster who enlightened us here with a Thread to the slave White women forced to make babies with Black slaves? It was really shocking to learn that happened and that it's never talked about.

Looking for it, l came across it here in this article as well..

The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World.
The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.

By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children.

Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia.

Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish.

However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.
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African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling).

If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit.

Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce.

Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century.

Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on its own to end its participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.
Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories.
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Bliss, where did you get this??
And why did you believe it to be true??

Personally I have this internal radar that clicks on whenever someone tries to rewrite the history of slavery in America to show that Whites suffered almost equally under the same oppression.

The far right wing is wholly invested in presenting an alternative narrative about slavery in America.

The first part is to sell to folks that African slavery in America wasn't that harsh or dehumanizing.

The second part is to convince people that White people suffered just as brutally under American slavery, and yet they NEVER complain about their historical struggle.

From HS, I've always been taught about the history of indentured servants in the early colonies.

But this narrative about Irish slavery is just revisionist history and a poor attempt to white-wash the institution of slavery in this country.

IMO you need to take a more cynical view about right wing sources who suddenly have discovered the 'real' history of America and slavery in particular.

This sounds like Alex Jones level propaganda.
 
andreboba said:
Bliss, where did you get this??
And why did you believe it to be true??

Personally I have this internal radar that clicks on whenever someone tries to rewrite the history of slavery in America to show that Whites suffered almost equally under the same oppression.

The far right wing is wholly invested in presenting an alternative narrative about slavery in America.

The first part is to sell to folks that African slavery in America wasn't that harsh or dehumanizing.

The second part is to convince people that White people suffered just as brutally under American slavery, and yet they NEVER complain about their historical struggle.

From HS, I've always been taught about the history of indentured servants in the early colonies.

But this narrative about Irish slavery is just revisionist history and a poor attempt to white-wash the institution of slavery in this country.

IMO you need to take a more cynical view about right wing sources who suddenly have discovered the 'real' history of America and slavery in particular.

This sounds like Alex Jones level propaganda.
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It came from this book
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I didn't know about the Irish slave trade - this is not something we were taught in school in Australia and it's not something that I was ever exposed to here. So I only learned about it when the guy posted the thread on here. I don't know either way except for what's written.

What's unsettling to me though, is the lack of sympathy from anti-oppression et al activists who refuse to even acknowledge it. If it did indeed happen, the first people l would expect sympathy from are those oppressed. Whoa. Are my eyes opening.
 
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Bliss said:
It came from this book
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I didn't know about the Irish slave trade - this is not something we were taught in school in Australia and it's something that I was ever exposed to here. So I only learned bout it when the guy posted the thread pn here. I don't know either way except for what's written.
What's unsettling to me is the lack of sympathy from anti-oppression et al activists who refuse to even acknowledge it. If it did indeed happen, the first people l would expect sympathy from are those oppressed. Whoa. Are my eyes opening.
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It happened, to a degree.
Nonetheless, I think it's in error to relabel indentured servitude as White slavery. because it diminishes both.

THe reason the burden of African American slavery still exists to this day is because of race: Blacks simply could not blend and disappear into the dominant White society the way many European immigrants could.

Out Blackness was apparent from 100 feet away.

There is no legacy and never has been of Whites who generations past suffered under 'white slavery'.

You should read this NYT book review on said book;
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/books/review/Lau-t.html?_r=0

There's nothing wrong IMO on the surface of this book, but there are political movements in this country who have perverted this historical study in order to marginalize the experience of slavery by Africans in AMerica.
 
The Dark King said:
Ok you're illustrating that you aren't really familiar with American history. A lot of Union soldiers were either conscripted or joined for personal reason like need of money or no other opportunity. They had very little interest in the cause just poor people forced into fighting for whatever area they ended up in.
In fact a lot of disgruntle whites forced to fight in the war took it out on the blacks for being the reason they had to go to war. Even though we all now know that was bullshit, Lincoln freed the slaves to disrupt the south economically and to preserve the Union. If he could have won keeping slavery in tact he would have. We aren't as moral as we are lead to believe.
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Yes l know the War wasn't just about abolishing Slavery..it was economics as well. But freeing the Southern Slaves WAS a huge factor. And there were many white abolitionists as well as a free North. My point was you said everyone (White) wanted slavery to continue and it's wasn't true.
 
andreboba said:
It happened, to a degree.
Nonetheless, I think it's in error to relabel indentured servitude as White slavery. because it diminishes both.

THe reason the burden of African American slavery still exists to this day is because of race: Blacks simply could not blend and disappear into the dominant White society the way many European immigrants could.

Out Blackness was apparent from 100 feet away.

There is no legacy and never has been of Whites who generations past suffered under 'white slavery'.

You should read this NYT book review on said book;
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/books/review/Lau-t.html?_r=0

There's nothing wrong IMO on the surface of this book, but there are political movements in this country who have perverted this historical study in order to marginalize the experience of slavery by Africans in AMerica.
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I don't disagree with your argument here as you know I'm a History Enthusiast and things like this are extremely interesting to me. I don't agree as well that it should be called White slavery either it should just be slavery. Indentured or not, they still were a slave until their debt was paid and many people never were able to become free, because from what I understand reading around is that Masters would tack on more and more onto the debt and thus they went to the Grave never paying off and basically a Slave.

Slavery is ancient and each historical event of it has its unique sufferings. The African Slave trade was in particular abhorrent because of the imense suffering. No one should or could ever downplay or dismiss what they endured. I think therin lies the schism..if indeed it's agenda/ politically driven to marginalize African Slavery then it's utterly disgusting. I will reserve my judgement until I look more into it. I don't want to dismiss them so quickly f they were indeed suffering slaves.
 
Bliss said:
I don't disagree with your argument here as you know I'm a History Enthusiast and things like this are extremely interesting to me. I don't agree as well that it should be called White slavery either it should just be slavery. Indentured or not, they still were a slave until their debt was paid and many people never were able to become free, because from what I understand reading around is that Masters would tack on more and more onto the debt and thus they went to the Grave never paying off and basically a Slave.

Slavery is ancient and each historical event of it has its unique sufferings. The African Slave trade was in particular abhorrent because of the imense suffering. No one should or could ever downplay or dismiss what they endured. I think therin lies the schism..if indeed it's agenda/ politically driven to marginalize African Slavery then it's utterly disgusting. I will reserve my judgement until I look more into it. I don't want to dismiss them so quickly f they were indeed suffering slaves.
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Honestly, I was surprised from just a superficificial search how well reviewed 'White Cargo' was by mainly liberal literary critics.

To a person it's considered a scholarly work and emphasizes that indentured servitude was highly oppressive, if not exactly on the same level as chattel slavery.

Back in college at my university a professor was forced to resign for calling the Black students in his lecture, the 'descendants of slaves.'

I didn't care either way if he kept his job or not.:smt102

Now when I look back, I realize the institution of slavery was never local to just the USA.

Slavery is GLOBAL and still exists to this day.

I'm sure that Greeks don't see slavery as a permanent stain on an individual and rather more a part of the human condition, man's inhumanity to man.

Like crime and murder.
 
*sigh* kitten.Yes yes, because I'm the only one that argues on this forum..lol :smt083. Blind bat.
I'm allowed to defend my position. Its a DISCUSSION board..people disagree. Stop being such a baby.

Honestly, I could give two fucks what "you and K" do because you are still desperately throwing mud trying to make it stick on your feigned rape outrage at me. Way to keep bringing it up. Smh.
Run along now..seems l wasn't on ignore afterall. Don't speak to me again.
 
andreboba said:
Honestly, I was surprised from just a superficificial search how well reviewed 'White Cargo' was by mainly liberal literary critics.

To a person it's considered a scholarly work and emphasizes that indentured servitude was highly oppressive, if not exactly on the same level as chattel slavery.

Back in college at my university a professor was forced to resign for calling the Black students in his lecture, the 'descendants of slaves.'

I didn't care either way if he kept his job or not.:smt102

Now when I look back, I realize the institution of slavery was never local to just the USA.

Slavery is GLOBAL and still exists to this day.

I'm sure that Greeks don't see slavery as a permanent stain on an individual and rather more a part of the human condition, man's inhumanity to man.

Like crime and murder.
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I'm kind of shocked at this post..It moved me.

I think looking at slavery from a humanistic perspective at, ironically, the inhumanity of it, allows us to empathize with any, if not all, that were forced to live lives against their will. None more prevalent and evident than African and African American Slaves... which by way allows open compassion for others who suffered in their own hell, regardless of their skin color.
 
Denver Broncos' Brandon Marshall takes a knee in protest during the national anthem.

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andreboba said:
Honestly, I was surprised from just a superficificial search how well reviewed 'White Cargo' was by mainly liberal literary critics.

To a person it's considered a scholarly work and emphasizes that indentured servitude was highly oppressive, if not exactly on the same level as chattel slavery.

Back in college at my university a professor was forced to resign for calling the Black students in his lecture, the 'descendants of slaves.'

I didn't care either way if he kept his job or not.:smt102

Now when I look back, I realize the institution of slavery was never local to just the USA.

Slavery is GLOBAL and still exists to this day.

I'm sure that Greeks don't see slavery as a permanent stain on an individual and rather more a part of the human condition, man's inhumanity to man.

Like crime and murder.
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That book is filled with inaccurate data. I made a post about it a page or two ago. FYI
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p09WfNmxznU
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Right wingers are spreading the rumor that Colin Kaepernick is a secret Muslim. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down. Tell us what you think in the comment section below. https://www.tytnetwork.com/join

“Colin Kaepernick has gone through a lot changes this offseason -- he grew out his hair, he lost weight and he's now a vegan, just to name a few of those changes. However, one change he didn't go through is a change of his religion.

During his weekly press conference on Wednesday, the quarterback debunked the internet rumors that claimed his girlfriend had convinced him to convert to Islam and become a Muslim.

"I have great respect for the religion, know a lot of people that are Muslim and are phenomenal people, but I think that (rumor of conversion) comes along with people's fear of this protest, as well as Islamophobia in this country," Kaepernick said, via USA Today. "People are terrified of them to the point where Trump wants to ban all Muslims from coming here, which is ridiculous."

The rumors of a Kaepernick religious conversion started shortly after the 49ers quarterback went public with his first national anthem protest on Aug. 26. The rumor then gained some steam when it was mentioned on Fox News.”

Read more here: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kaepernick-says-hes-not-muslim-blames-rumor-on-american-islamaphobia/

Hosts: Cenk Uygur, Ana Kasparian

Cast: Cenk Uygur, Ana Kasparian
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I didn't not know this rumor has gotten so big, they're talking about it on Fox News.















Just in case y'all didn't know who Kapernick's Girlfriend is that they were talking about in that TYT video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WTLZKRwUxE
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While at the 2016 MTV Video Music Awards, Nessa of MTV's Girl Code and Hot 97 talked to Baller Alert about her boyfriend Colin Kaepernick of the San Francisco 49ers and his decision to sit during the National Anthem.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaVm-f8674Y
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Nessa is fine AF. I didn't know she was Muslim though.
 
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