NFL QB National Anthem Protest

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Let me add something about the very clear difference between indentured servitude and and acutal slavery.

White Identured servants could own property, know how to read and write and they could testify in court on their own behalfs against their employers. Not to mention, there were laws regulating how indentured servants were to be treated. How well they were inforced I don't know.

But black slaves had none of those rights. Plus it was against the law for a slave to learn to read or write.

Those are huge differences. And, to treat the two as interchangeable is inaccurate in the least.

Yep..l think everyone is aware of the stark differences. No comparasion. Not the discussion either.

The point being made is, was it worse than led to believe. In and of itself, by itself. Based on information available, yes it was. "Indentured Servitude" sounds easy..but it was not. They were oppressed, not free, and many lied to and kidnapped. Many had. false debt tacked on until their deaths, or until outlawed after the Civil War.
I would hope the first to empathize would be those whose ancestors were enslaved..not dismissing it as having a bunch of Rights. Certainly slavery sits at the top and Indentured Servitude sits beneath it.
What is tragic as well is it's still ongoing to a degree but just sheltered from the Western world.

. As historian Richard Hofstadter pointed out, "Although efforts were made to regulate or check their activities, and they diminished in importance in the eighteenth century, it remains true that a certain small part of the white colonial population of America was brought by force, and a much larger portion came in response to deceit and misrepresentation on the part of the spirits [recruiting agents]."[6]
One "spirit" named William Thiene was known to have spirited away[7] 840 people from Britain to the colonies in a single year.

[8] Historian Lerone Bennett, Jr. notes that "Masters given to flogging often did not care whether their victims were black or white."[9]

Indentured servants could not marry without the permission of their master, were subject to physical punishment (like many young ordinary servants), and saw their obligation to labor enforced by the courts.

To ensure uninterrupted work by the female servants, the law lengthened the term of their indenture if they became pregnant.

But unlike slaves, servants were guaranteed to be eventually released from bondage. At the end of their term they received a payment known as "freedom dues" and became free members of society.[10]

One could buy and sell indentured servants' contracts, and the right to their labor would change hands, but not the person as a piece of property.
 
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Nice to see them respectfully standing, while protesting.
 
Yep..l think everyone is aware of the stark differences. No comparasion. Not the discussion either.

The point being made is, was it worse than led to believe. In and of itself, by itself. Based on information available, yes it was. "Indentured Servitude" sounds easy..but it was not. They were oppressed, not free, and many lied to and kidnapped. Many had. false debt tacked on until their deaths, or until outlawed after the Civil War.
I would hope the first to empathize would be those whose ancestors were enslaved..not dismissing it as having a bunch of Rights. Certainly slavery sits at the top and Indentured Servitude sits beneath it.
What is tragic as well is it's still ongoing to a degree but just sheltered from the Western world.

But it connects to nothing presently does it?
Are the Irish unfairly oppressed in this country? Are they treated like second class citizens?
The ONLY reason black people bring up slavery is because it connects to the way we are currently treated. Same thing with Native Americans. Why is this darn hard to comprehend?
 
But it connects to nothing presently does it?
Are the Irish unfairly oppressed in this country? Are they treated like second class citizens?
The ONLY reason black people bring up slavery is because it connects to the way we are currently treated. Same thing with Native Americans. Why is this darn hard to comprehend?

Not hard to comprehend at all.
But it not connecting to present day doesn't bode for discounting. It's still a dark part of this country's history that is not really told, let alone discussed. The fact that their descendents are not oppressed is a story in itself.
 
Not hard to comprehend at all.
But it not connecting to present day doesn't bode for discounting. It's still a dark part of this country's history that is not really told, let alone discussed. The fact that their descendents are not oppressed is a story in itself.

Is it? It's pretty cut and dry they assimilated into whiteness and worked extra hard by being very racist against blacks.

Wait never mind believe what you want
 
But it connects to nothing presently does it?
Are the Irish unfairly oppressed in this country? Are they treated like second class citizens?
The ONLY reason black people bring up slavery is because it connects to the way we are currently treated. Same thing with Native Americans. Why is this darn hard to comprehend?

Yeah, racism was attached to the slavery of black people and the genocide of Native Americans, which is the part that us descendants still face today.(connection) Poverty and slavery in this country is always categorized like this:

Poor Whites - at the bottom
Poor People Of Color - at the bottom of the bottom
 
Is it? It's pretty cut and dry they assimilated into whiteness and worked extra hard by being very racist against blacks.

Wait never mind believe what you want

And that's the sum story of the history of the Irish here, huh?
Wait never mind, believe what you want.
 
I don't know/have the statistics but last I check African Americans have led this country in poverty longer than anyone else. Can anyone get those statistics through the years? I'm at work right now.
 
I don't know/have the statistics but last I check African Americans have led this country in poverty longer than anyone else. Can anyone get those statistics through the years? I'm at work right now.

They probably have, however there have been poor Whites in poverty as long as, as well..most likely in less percentanges, however.
 
I don't know/have the statistics but last I check African Americans have led this country in poverty longer than anyone else. Can anyone get those statistics through the years? I'm at work right now.

The stats indicate that water is still wet.
 
I don't know/have the statistics but last I check African Americans have led this country in poverty longer than anyone else. Can anyone get those statistics through the years? I'm at work right now.

My bet is on the Native Americans. Almost completely wiped off the face of the earth and the reservations aren't nice.
 
They probably have, however there have been poor Whites in poverty as long as, as well..most likely in less percentanges, however.

yeah I understand that, my point is racial inequality is mostly directed at poor people of color, because of how this is also a rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer system and society we live in. It's harder to racially attack wealthy or well off people of color (even though they still obviously experience racism.). That's why most of these racial and social injustices are happening against the poor. Because we are socially conditioned to not have much sympathy for them, especially poor black people; they're thugs, they kill each other, ect.
 
Pretty sure economics has nothing to do with the "Black on black" crime in Chicago and St Louis.

Lol
 
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