The last few pages of this thread pretty much sums up why I don't debate polotics here like I use to.
Anytime you can present facts and context to people and they still remain entrenched in their opinions, even though the facts and context of the situation concretely disproves those opinons, it stops being a fun debate and becomes an exercise in futility. And, it's not just one person here either. There are several.
If someone proves me wrong, I admit it and change my stance on whatever the topic is accordingly. That's how it should be. That's how we have an open and helpful exchange of ideas. It's how we grow as people and hopefully come to solutions to our common problems.
Nothing wrong with being Conservative or Liberal. But, a person's political stance should always bend to the truth. Not supposition, not ritual, not feelings good or bad. But, the truth. If some people aren't capable of doing that, then they should not argue politics or religion or pretty much anything else that requires facts, context and logic, for that matter.