Random Political comments...

[Bliss]

What your thoughts on Bernie Sanders & Jill Stein?

I have said I fully support Bernie but I drew the line on his call for Amnesty to 30 million illegals and giving them automatic citizenship. It's time to take stock of this country and protect it and stop protecting those who are here to use and abuse it.

 

[archangel]

Taken from the same article: In one of the biggest blows to poor and low-income Americans, Price would repeal the expanded Medicaid coverage in 32 states and the District of Columbia for able-bodied single people and leave those current beneficiaries to fend for themselves on the open market, using other tax credits and benefits.

And further down: At the same time, insurers could jack up the premiums and copayments on their oldest enrollees by as much as the market would bear. The Affordable Care Act currently limits insurers from charging their oldest enrollee three times as much as their youngest clients, but that would no longer be the case under Price’s approach.

So how exactly is this plan supposed to cover people that the ACA already does? Price's plan solves problems that the ACA wasn't even intended to fix and ignores the ones that it was created to fix.

yup... this is literally something that I will have to deal with as my mom happens to be one of those low income Americans. A bunch of rich jerks who do care about Americans.

Even the ACA didn't go far enough but they want to reduce it.

 

[ColiBreh1]

How you know Clifton Roberts is black? I can't tell what his race/ethnicity is, but his lack of afro-textured hair makes me doubt he's black.

Colibruh..I was trying to respond to your post where you said Clifton is not Black because of his "hair texture" not having the coarseness..but your post has disappeared...
Your comment sucked, btw.
I mean, really?

Also, here you go..

Aph Ko of BVR (BLACK VEGANS ROCK) had the pleasure of interviewing Clifton Roberts, the Humane Party Presidential Candidate, about his political perspectives as well as his personal journey into veganism.

http://www.blackvegansrock.com/blog/2016/8/29/feature-clifton-roberts

My post is still there. SMH, still waiting for @webmaster to update the forum to include the Quote & Multi-Quote features so we don't have to copy & paste quotes across multiple thread pages.


Also I went found another interview of Clifton Roberts & he says he is Blasian: http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=7504&catId=6

VegNews: What does your identity mean to you? How has it affected you in life?
Clifton Roberts: My mother is Korean-American and my father is African-American and Native American, so I’ve enjoyed the benefit of a multicultural upbringing. However, my passion for history, poetry, music, and cultural art is a direct result of what my father exposed me to as a child. I am who I am because of my heritage—because of my history. Moreover, because of the racial tensions the patriarchs of my family endured in their lives, I was raised to think ahead, work hard, and harness the energy of ambition to never tire in pursuit of what I dream of accomplishing.

VN: Who in the black community inspires you?
CR: The first person that comes to mind is my grandfather, Albert Lewis Roberts. He was such a humble man, but his reputation as a giant within his community has been preserved by his children, and I am very proud to be a part of his lineage. Against some tremendous odds, my grandfather became the very first African-American bus driver for DC Metro in Washington DC, an amazing accomplishment considering the racial divides that existed in the early ‘60s.

 

[archangel]

I have said I fully support Bernie but I drew the line on his call for Amnesty to 30 million illegals and giving them automatic citizenship. It's time to take stock of this country and protect it and stop protecting those who are here to use and abuse it.

how do you plan to deal with by the number you state 30 million(I don't believe it)? You can't gather them up. All of these people that have ran know it. They just don't want to tell the truth. I can understand if he means place them in the back of the line but you can't really move that many people. Obama has been the most effective at it and even he wasn't a good at it(I mean he even ended the wet foot dry land policy on the way out!!! I just loled because I was tired of it as a south Floridian.). At some point, you have to do what Reagan did.

 

[ColiBreh1]

I have said I fully support Bernie but I drew the line on his call for Amnesty to 30 million illegals and giving them automatic citizenship. It's time to take stock of this country and protect it and stop protecting those who are here to use and abuse it.

how do you plan to deal with by the number you state 30 million(I don't believe it)? You can't gather them up. All of these people that have ran know it. They just don't want to tell the truth. I can understand if he means place them in the back of the line but you can't really move that many people. Obama has been the most effective at it and even he wasn't a good at it(I mean he even ended the wet foot dry land policy on the way out!!! I just loled because I was tired of it as a south Floridian.). At some point, you have to do what Reagan did.

What did Reagan do?

 

[Bliss]

Taken from the same article: In one of the biggest blows to poor and low-income Americans, Price would repeal the expanded Medicaid coverage in 32 states and the District of Columbia for able-bodied single people and leave those current beneficiaries to fend for themselves on the open market, using other tax credits and benefits.

And further down: At the same time, insurers could jack up the premiums and copayments on their oldest enrollees by as much as the market would bear. The Affordable Care Act currently limits insurers from charging their oldest enrollee three times as much as their youngest clients, but that would no longer be the case under Price’s approach.

So how exactly is this plan supposed to cover people that the ACA already does? Price's plan solves problems that the ACA wasn't even intended to fix and ignores the ones that it was created to fix.

To your first paragraph...it says it at the end..
"fend for themselves on the open market, using other tax credits and benefits."
The second paragraph is troubling, no question..the old are of course more vulnerable and should be protected from the fear of increases ..but I do know of young people who previously had basic insurance Who could not afford the new copays or premiums and opted out all together.

The bottom line is..is Obama care working for all? Or just the previously uninsured - at the expense of taxpayers.
Keep in mind, the very poor and elderly always had medical govt assistance available ..so not sure why they are a part of the discussion ..
In all, the fiscal burden of the ACA has fallen upon the majority of Americans who work and many rejected it at the polls. Why do you dismiss that?

 

[archangel]

What did Reagan do?

amnesty.... I didn't agree with it. I felt like he should have put their butts in the back of the line and then gave higher taxes but w/e.....

Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986

Reagan signed a bill giving amnesty to at least 3 million illegal immigrants

 

[Bliss]

What did Reagan do?

Gave Amnesty.
But they kept coming after promising..ok..that was it. No more. We will respect your immigration laws.

 

[Bliss]

how do you plan to deal with by the number you state 30 million(I don't believe it)? You can't gather them up. All of these people that have ran know it. They just don't want to tell the truth. I can understand if he means place them in the back of the line but you can't really move that many people. Obama has been the most effective at it and even he wasn't a good at it(I mean he even ended the wet foot dry land policy on the way out!!! I just loled because I was tired of it as a south Floridian.). At some point, you have to do what Reagan did.

I agree..back of the line.
What don't you believe..the 30 million number?

 

[ColiBreh1]

I agree..back of the line.
What don't you believe..the 30 million number?

How did they even come up with that 30 million number? That seems like Conservative/right-wing propaganda.

 

[archangel]

Gave Amnesty.
But they kept coming after promising..ok..that was it. No more. We will respect your immigration laws.

That's not the story. I'm not agreeing to it but Reagan had the belief that it would be impossible to round them up. He was correct. They folded on the idea of actually improving physical restrictions because big business needs immigrants to do their work. Since big business and Reagan were friends well... welcome to 2016.... Nowadays people hire contractors that then hire illegal immigrants as trump has done and Romney mistakingly almost did. All credit to Romney though... He told them off.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

To your first paragraph...it says it at the end..
"fend for themselves on the open market, using other tax credits and benefits."
The second paragraph is troubling, no question..the old are of course more vulnerable and should be protected from the fear of increases ..but I do know of young people who previously had basic insurance Who could not afford the new copays or premiums and opted out all together.

The bottom line is..is Obama care working for all? Or just the previously uninsured - at the expense of taxpayers.
Keep in mind, the very poor and elderly always had medical govt assistance available ..so not sure why they are a part of the discussion ..
In all, the fiscal burden of the ACA has fallen upon the majority of Americans who work and many rejected it at the polls. Why do you dismiss that?

Benefits such as...? Price's plan is completely silent on that point. And depending on the kind of treatment you need a tax break (if the person even qualifies for one) may end up only being a drop in the bucket when it comes to actually covering costs. Letting people "fend for themselves" isn't any more of a solution than "don't get sick."

The poor are part of the discussion because they were the people that the ACA covers; that was the entire point from the beginning. And the ACA being "rejected at the polls" (despite the guy behind the ACA being re-elected) doesn't have anything to do with the original point that I made a few posts ago: what is Donald Trump's actual, workable plan to cover people that are going to lose coverage when the ACA is repealed?

 

[archangel]

I agree..back of the line.
What don't you believe..the 30 million number?

It is almost the size of California's population.... I think people would have noticed that many people. I can give you 10 million 15 even but not almost 10% of the nation...

 

[Peach State Scholar]

yup... this is literally something that I will have to deal with as my mom happens to be one of those low income Americans. A bunch of rich jerks who do care about Americans.

Even the ACA didn't go far enough but they want to reduce it.

Republicans just need to go ahead and cut the shit: they have absolutely no intention of replacing the ACA with anything meaningful.

They've already got their coverage. Why would they give a remote fuck about anyone else?

 

[archangel]

How did they even come up with that 30 million number? That seems like Conservative/right-wing propaganda.

I don't know man. I know the country is great and all but I don't think 30 million people would want to come here. We lost people during the recession too.

 

[ColiBreh1]

How did they even come up with that 30 million number? That seems like Conservative/right-wing propaganda.

I don't know man. I know the country is great and all but I don't think 30 million people would want to come here. We lost people during the recession too.

The way the U.S. sells itself in television/movies, the worldwide cultural effect, & being the richest nation in the world, I definitely buy that foreigners would want to come here.

 

[archangel]

The way the U.S. sells itself in television/movies, the worldwide cultural effect, & being the richest nation in the world, I definitely buy that foreigners would want to come here.

but not at 30 million....Also europe is closer to the rest of the population on earth. Some of their countries have better education systems and healthcare. I love to hear the stories about how people come over here and see how much you have to struggle. Some run back home. As my father pointed out, it isn't what it use to be back in his time when he came in and drove a taxi and then studied to become a electrician. lyft uber..... automated cars will be here soon..... You basically have to already have money to get here.

 

[archangel]

Where is the tweet you claim you heard that he claimed the 09 Arial was his?

Gold curtains mean less to me than the fact that the first thing President Trump did was re-place the Bust of Churchill back in the Oval Office.

FDR should be there!!!!!!
Complete disrespect to the President that took out the Nazi..
AND he replaced the Lincoln Bust with a foreigner bust
Why the heck is a drunk there!!!

 

[The Dark King]

I have said I fully support Bernie but I drew the line on his call for Amnesty to 30 million illegals and giving them automatic citizenship. It's time to take stock of this country and protect it and stop protecting those who are here to use and abuse it.

Oh you mean like wealthy people who want to pay as little tax as possible while lobbying to keep wages low and exploit workers you mean that kind of protection? Or do we need protection only from the scary brown people who use next to nothing in services in comparison to companies like GE who make billions but get a damn tax refund lol

 

[Loki]

Where is that response of yours? I did not see that.

Additionally, you jumped in with 3 incomparable examples of levels of reactions (shoving??) as if it explains the utter trash anarchist level of collective violence yesterday.
This wasn't a one off "angry" caught up in the moment incident, it was a calculated organized terroristic plot to harm, main threaten and thwart the Presidential Inauguration attendees.
But what do you care except try find every possible way to try to contest me.

Yes you did see my response in that other thread because you responded to it. Bliss you keep trying to say that I'm somehow giving a pass to the violent protesters when I am certainly not. I contest you when you make claims that are flat out wrong. My response here was to your claim that trump supporters were not violent to BP, I showed you otherwise, now you want to "quantify" the violence because your were wrong and deflect by saying I'm equating the physical confrontations to those who were committing dangerous and unlawful acts yesterday. In my opinion you made increasingly wild and untrue claims about President Obama and to a lesser extent Hillary in the run up to the election, often times citing far right conspiracy sources that intentionally spread fake news. You reject true fact checking sites like Politifact, despite the rigor and transparency of their fact checking, based on (if memory serves) the opinion of others who do not show the same level of rigor and transparency.