Black Farmer Calls Out Liberal Racism In Powerful Facebook Message

Loki said:
Dont want to speak for Beasty or TDK, but I believe what they are trying to say is that it gets very tiring and insulting to have to put up with being viewed as a "threat", or out of place in a certain area, or a "reason to call the police", just because you exist and are living your life. You are correct in your previous posts that fair housing laws prohibit discrimination based on ethnicity/race, that is federal/nationwide firmly established law. I think what some here are saying is that it would be nice to have a place(s) where they could relax and not have to deal with that kind of bigotry. I do think it could lead to a slippery slope of self imposed segregation however, and in my opinion that is moving backwards not forward.
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You and all people already have that place you seek - it's called your home.
Anything beyond it doesn't belong to you. We all share it.

Create the space beyond you to reflect your desired Utopia, but stay within the laws, don't exclude on color. You know how it feels, so why perpetuate that?
No matter how much you want 'this', or 'that' to be how you want it, be fair, be judicious and be lawful. Segregated n'hoods are none of those.
('you' does not mean you personally, btw)
 
Loki said:
Dont want to speak for Beasty or TDK, but I believe what they are trying to say is that it gets very tiring and insulting to have to put up with being viewed as a "threat", or out of place in a certain area, or a "reason to call the police", just because you exist and are living your life. You are correct in your previous posts that fair housing laws prohibit discrimination based on ethnicity/race, that is federal/nationwide firmly established law. I think what some here are saying is that it would be nice to have a place(s) where they could relax and not have to deal with that kind of bigotry. I do think it could lead to a slippery slope of self imposed segregation however, and in my opinion that is moving backwards not forward.
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You also said it would be nice to have a place to relax and not deal with that bigotry, l get it, l absolutely do, but l ask...that relaxation...does it begin at the gate? Driving down your street? What is the 'red' line you cross to breathe relief from bigotry and prejudice? Is crossing that preposed line a guarantee of relief from the emotions of feeling tired and insulted?
I really don't know the answer but dividing living spaces into no-go zones for any reason, is detrimental to human interaction, in my opinion.
 
Bliss said:
Where did l say every other group gets it. YOU keep saying it but you can't name me one exclusive ALL one neighborhood.
Name them TDK.
Otherwise you're a segragation supporter. You love to complain but surely your proposal adds to it.
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Lmao go any major city and there's a Chinatown, in NY there's neighborhoods exclusively owned by Jews, Jackson Heights in Queens all Indian, there are parts of Queens where it's all Italian or Russian, in Boston there are areas that are all Irish. You know this why are you being obtuse?
And I never said you said it I'm saying the neighborhoods exist and again its very easy for you to decry segregation when you have an area where you can go to but no such areas exist for black people
 
Loki said:
Dont want to speak for Beasty or TDK, but I believe what they are trying to say is that it gets very tiring and insulting to have to put up with being viewed as a "threat", or out of place in a certain area, or a "reason to call the police", just because you exist and are living your life. You are correct in your previous posts that fair housing laws prohibit discrimination based on ethnicity/race, that is federal/nationwide firmly established law. I think what some here are saying is that it would be nice to have a place(s) where they could relax and not have to deal with that kind of bigotry. I do think it could lead to a slippery slope of self imposed segregation however, and in my opinion that is moving backwards not forward.
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Literally all other groups do it though Loki why should black people be excluded from that safety and relaxation. Why do we have to be the single group who has to live our lives constantly begging for permission? How is that better?
 
The Dark King said:
Lmao go any major city and there's a Chinatown, in NY there's neighborhoods exclusively owned by Jews, Jackson Heights in Queens all Indian, there are parts of Queens where it's all Italian or Russian, in Boston there are areas that are all Irish. You know this why are you being obtuse?
And I never said you said it I'm saying the neighborhoods exist and again its very easy for you to decry segregation when you have an area where you can go to but no such areas exist for black people
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But l can say the same for Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Baltimore, LA counties, Camden, Trenton, St Louis, New Orleans...l can even say in parts of Brooklyn, it's all Jamaican, or Haitians.
Are you telling me that when you go to these parts in the Bronx, and Brooklyn, you feel unwanted?
You're being obtuse because you know you're reacting emotionally to something that is there already. You have many black neighborhoods.
The fact remains, it doesn't solve your problem of feeling unwanted and judged.
 
Bliss said:
But l can say the same for Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Baltimore, LA counties, Camden, Trenton, St Louis, New Orleans...l can even say in parts of Brooklyn, it's all Jamaican, or Haitians.
Are you telling me that when you go to these parts in the Bronx, and Brooklyn, you feel unwanted?
You're being obtuse because you know you're reacting emotionally to something that is there already. You have many black neighborhoods.
The fact remains, it doesn't solve your problem of feeling unwanted and judged.
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I said from the very beginning I wanted a nice cul de sac an area that's not ravaged with crime as a result of red lining and flooding the area with drugs so an oppressive and coercive police presence is constantly hovering over you.
Do you really need this spelt out for you.
Ok her you go.
I want a safe clean area where the population is majority black with strong educated and professionally employed presence.
I may never live there but I want it to exist just like it does for every other damn demographic in this country.
Get it now?
 
@Loki ..curious, you appear to be a man who has it all, do you feel judged or unwanted in your neighborhood? Serious question.
 
The Dark King said:
I said from the very beginning I wanted a nice cul de sac an area that's not ravaged with crime as a result of red lining and flooding the area with drugs so an oppressive and coercive police presence is constantly hovering over you.
Do you really need this spelt out for you.
Ok her you go.
I want a safe clean area where the population is majority black with strong educated and professionally employed presence.
I may never live there but I want it to exist just like it does for every other damn demographic in this country.
Get it now?
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Wouldn't we all like that. If you know of it, let me know, l'm going there.
 
The Dark King said:
I said from the very beginning I wanted a nice cul de sac an area that's not ravaged with crime as a result of red lining and flooding the area with drugs so an oppressive and coercive police presence is constantly hovering over you.
Do you really need this spelt out for you.
Ok her you go.
I want a safe clean area where the population is majority black with strong educated and professionally employed presence.
I may never live there but I want it to exist just like it does for every other damn demographic in this country.
Get it now?
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Bliss said:
Wouldn't we all like that. If you know of it, let me know, l'm going there.
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Know of what?
 
The Dark King said:
I'm all for melting pots but I want to see a place where the welcome for black people is automatic not some shit where we wait with baited breath to see if we can simply live.
My girl comes from a group of people that are so inclusive of their people and when you see it's such culture shock because the only price of entry is how you came into the world.
I'm not saying I'd live there since I have friends from different walks of life hell I have a few nieces and nephews who are "biracial" I just want to know a haven exists. Literally every single other group has this why shouldn't we
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Absolutely! It would be great to actually decide on an area, and not have to think about if you'll be accepted and so on. We know the truth is that in any of those areas like mine... If I were to "look like I don't belong there" and simply walk down the street... It's likely that I'll intentionally be watched and/or someone have their phone in hand with 9-1-1 entered, and thumb positioned to hit the send button.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
They do actually exist:

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Glad you posted this. Not surprising most of these middle to upper middle class Black neighborhoods are in PG County.
Many of the Black professionals in the DMV work for the federal government, which is why it's always been a part of the conservative agenda to cut the federal workforce in D.C.
When certain White people travel through the DMV and see how some Black folks are living then find out they're federal employees, that's simply a no-no.
 
DudeNY12 said:
Absolutely! It would be great to actually decide on an area, and not have to think about if you'll be accepted and so on. We know the truth is that in any of those areas like mine... If I were to "look like I don't belong there" and simply walk down the street... It's likely that I'll intentionally be watched and/or someone have their phone in hand with 9-1-1 entered, and thumb positioned to hit the send button.
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There are areas like that already. When I first arrived in this country my husband took me to an outer suburb area that was all black people. Lovely houses, people washing their cars, doing yard work, etc... and I remember being surprised because these were not the images protrayed in the media. And l told him this and he said "Oh yeah, Philly has some nice black areas".

Mount Airy (and Germantown to an extent) is another place here...stone homes, tree-lined streets... lots of black, cops lawyers, teachers, doctors firemen, small business owners, live there..middle to upper.middle class.
So those areas actually do exist

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Typical Church in My Airy..

As of the 2010 Census,[7] Mount Airy has 27,035 residents, 11,934 households, and 6,636 families. 62.5% of residents are Black or African-American, 31.7% White/Caucasian, and 5.8% are from other races or from 2 or more races.

Mt. Airy is a combination of leafy park land, miles of multi-use trails, tree-lined residential communities and cobblestoned businesses.

Here is a review in Philly Mag as it being voted as one of the nicest areas in Philly..
"Many people also think of Philadelphia as crime-ridden and plagued by ethnic tension. But Mount Airy seems genuinely, peacefully integrated."

http://www.phillymag.com/property/2014/12/01/architype-mount-airy-philadelphia/#6FPkooWmdEOOtAfe.99

Everyone goes about their day, it's a nice positive, peaceful community..no one feels unwanted and everyone gets along...it's very special and l love it.

Curious, is there an area you specifically want? What do you propose?
 
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ColiBreh1 said:
They do actually exist:

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andreboba said:
Glad you posted this. Not surprising most of these middle to upper middle class Black neighborhoods are in PG County.
Many of the Black professionals in the DMV work for the federal government, which is why it's always been a part of the conservative agenda to cut the federal workforce in D.C.
When certain White people travel through the DMV and see how some Black folks are living then find out they're federal employees, that's simply a no-no.
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Yeah, this is something I recently found out in this year.
 
Bliss said:
@Loki ..curious, you appear to be a man who has it all, do you feel judged or unwanted in your neighborhood? Serious question.
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Thats why I posted the article, I have experienced some of what the author of the article was describing. The vast majority of people in our neighborhood were and are very welcoming and nice people. My wife and I have been HOA board members for many years now and are well known in our community. All that being said, we do live in a neighborhood of high 6 figure to 7 figure housing prices so there are some snobby, selfish, and spoiled people (you see them all being a board member) so being one of the only minorities (there are two Asian families and the aforementioned lesbian couple) I have seen some sideways glances, and when we first moved in years ago one especially pain in the ass couple that live by our large community riding arena, flat out asked me what I was doing there while I was watching my daughter ride. I just smiled and said we just moved into the neighborhood and introduced myself. They were less than warm and clearly surprised, however they are a special case as I came to learn they are assholes to everyone. In the past I have posted that I have been pulled over by the cops in my neighborhood for no other reason than "driving while Black", and it was interesting how much that incident spread throughout the whole community, I was still getting asked about it months after it happened.

So just little things here and there, nothing earth shattering, but still annoying. It was very interesting that the lesbian couple confided to us that they were VERY concerned about the reception they would get and if they would get any negative backlash from the community, but so far so good, and they were very grateful to us for being so welcoming and nice to them. Interesting to see similar concerns from a different perspective.
 
The Dark King said:
Literally all other groups do it though Loki why should black people be excluded from that safety and relaxation. Why do we have to be the single group who has to live our lives constantly begging for permission? How is that better?
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I hear what you are saying TDK, I truly do, BP should not have to deal with any form of bigotry or discrimination just for existing and going about their daily lives. Unfortunately, I believe that there will always be hatred, discrimination bigotry, ect. as long as there are people, what makes things better, eventually, often times taking longer than we would like, often times painfully, is the progress that comes from positive interaction between cultures/ethnicities. I just dont think that self imposed segregation is the answer, not to mention BP had to fight, bleed, and die for centuries to secure the rights to live wherever we damn well pleased.

No easy answers here, it is a difficult and complex topic that I hoped would spark interesting conversation so I am pleased with the responses I have seen so far.
 
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Bliss said:
I honestly don't get your point here as it pertains to our discussion. What does slavery have to do with a prosperous multicultural neigborhood? Is that your argument here -"House Negro" treatment?
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It's not rocket science Bliss. The point is whether or not racists hated black people they allowed black people to live in their homes. So it's not unimaginable that racists would live near black people today. As a matter of fact it is common that they do. Just because they are not actual skin heads doesn't mean that they don't view black people as being beneath them. Northern racists like the ones in Philly are a prime example. 9 times out of 10 you would have no idea that they are racists until they backstab you.
 
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