K
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Come on...you can't be that naive. There are all sorts of ways that people/organizations exclude those who they deem as unwanted and undesirable. Do you REALLY think the laws stop that?
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Come on...you can't be that naive. There are all sorts of ways that people/organizations exclude those who they deem as unwanted and undesirable. Do you REALLY think the laws stop that?
ColiBreh1
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@Bliss I don't understand why you were going back & forth with TDK, Beasty, & me for. Those Philly communities mentioned in this article/post are examples of what we definitely want to see more of.There are areas like that already. When I first arrived in this country my husband took me to an outer suburb area that was all black people. Lovely houses, people washing their cars, doing yard work, etc... and I remember being surprised because these were not the images protrayed in the media. And l told him this and he said "Oh yeah, Philly has some nice black areas".
Mount Airy (and Germantown to an extent) is another place here...stone homes, tree-lined streets... lots of black, cops lawyers, teachers, doctors firemen, small business owners, live there..middle to upper.middle class.
So those areas actually do exist
Typical Church in My Airy..
As of the 2010 Census,[7] Mount Airy has 27,035 residents, 11,934 households, and 6,636 families. 62.5% of residents are Black or African-American, 31.7% White/Caucasian, and 5.8% are from other races or from 2 or more races.
Mt. Airy is a combination of leafy park land, miles of multi-use trails, tree-lined residential communities and cobblestoned businesses.
Here is a review in Philly Mag as it being voted as one of the nicest areas in Philly..
"Many people also think of Philadelphia as crime-ridden and plagued by ethnic tension. But Mount Airy seems genuinely, peacefully integrated."
http://www.phillymag.com/property/2014/12/01/architype-mount-airy-philadelphia/#6FPkooWmdEOOtAfe.99
Everyone goes about their day, it's a nice positive, peaceful community..no one feels unwanted and everyone gets along...it's very special and l love it.
Curious, is there an area you specifically want? What do you propose?
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Also to answer your previous question about a BM in a IR wanting to live in these communities, most of majority-black suburbs aren't even close to being 100% black anyways. So it would be no big deal for a BMWW IR family to live there.
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K
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The hell it isn't by design. You really have to be off your rocker if you truly believe that people are not purposely doing things to "keep out" whoever/whatever it is they don't want in. This isn't something that is exclusive to any one race or heritage. People have a tendency to gravitate towards those who are familiar/similar and reject those who are different or unique in any way. Even in this day, it takes courage, effort, and energy to go against the grain and embrace others.
Let me clue you in a little bit..... homes and businesses are built with the goal of selling to specific target markets. The intended market factors into everything.
Beasty
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When you have people in harlem making 21,000 a year with average rents about 2,400, there is an opportunity for a new set of people of a different class to buy property in the area newly built or rennovated that will be relatively inexpensive at first (until the working class poor get pushed out) then it stands to appreciate in value substantially more than average as the contractors continue to put up or rennovate more dwellings.
No such conditions would exist in the community of which we speak unless we were to start it under the pretext of something like gentrification. That would undermine the purpose of building such a community to begin with. So there would be no compelling reason for people to move in other than serving the intended purpose.
MightyLighty
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^#Facts
medullaslashin
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haha .. this thread was a great read. Can't believe we're debating going back to segregation on wwbm. com. lol.
I think bliss swatted down all you guys's points in that debate. Plus (as others have pointed out) we already have our own predominantly black communities, so more segregation isn't going to provide "refuge"... Why not just make existing black communities more livable?
...unless that "cul de sac" will be a refuge from both nonblacks and black people..? lol.
I think bliss swatted down all you guys's points in that debate. Plus (as others have pointed out) we already have our own predominantly black communities, so more segregation isn't going to provide "refuge"... Why not just make existing black communities more livable?
...unless that "cul de sac" will be a refuge from both nonblacks and black people..? lol.
The Dark King
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The Dark King
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It would cost far more to fix the destroyed neighborhoods rather to build new ones. Why risk being murdered over dumb shit?
medullaslashin
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...And then those new neighborhoods would probably fall to the same backward values and neglect that make the current ones places where no one wants to live.
The solution isn't to work alongside racists to impose further segregation (on people who may want it or not)... The solution is to do a little "cultural engineering" -- change the values at work in the current hoods.
People are slaves to fashion... What if we could bring more productive values into fashion?
(btw, I have no clue what you mean by: "Why risk being murdered over dumb shit?")
ColiBreh1
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Bliss
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How so?What I remember from this thread is Bliss playing dumb/being obtuse.
Because l said the segregation TDK pines for is a pipe dream? Is a setback overall, creating mentalities no different than those detested who don't want shared communities?
There's ways to fix the problems, but segregating areas in cities and towns/segregating yourself from Whites and Asians, is not a solution.
medullaslashin
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What I remember from this thread is Bliss playing dumb/being obtuse.
Nah, she made some good arguments here and handily dismissed the arguments you guys made... The whole "blacks only" neighborhood dream is easy to swat down, and I'm surprised that some of the people would argue for it here... It's impractical, illogical and of course, there's the huge point (which bliss also made) that we already have segregated neighborhoods if we really wanted them...
There's a reason why none of us are flocking to those neighborhoods... and those reasons would still be there if the powers that be instituted forced segregation tomorrow...
We don't need new segregated communities lol... Better to fix the communities we already have and enjoy the best of all worlds. Right now, we have a limited amount of freedom to live in mixed areas... and NO freedom to live in black areas, thanks to ray ray and pookie &'m. Rather than backtrack to institutionalized segregation (like we're confused), let's give pookie a system of values that works for the community and makes counterproductive stuff taboo, while we enjoy our rights of freedom of travel and freedom of association with dignity...
Don't forget -- with segregation comes a lot of other problems, e.g. "sundown towns", less mixing, more places where mixing is taboo, etc....
ColiBreh1
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You do realize not every majority black community/neighborhood/suburb is Blackistan, right? You've completely missed the point we were trying to make.
The Dark King
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Yup
And again with literally no exaggeration every single group has a safe haven. Jews Indians Koreans Greeks Russians etc why can't we. Why is it a pipe dream to want to live in a safe upwardly mobile area?
medullaslashin
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Well maybe I need to update my perspective on black neighborhoods. Last time I lived in a majority black area was before the crack epidemic. When that swept through, along with gangs coming into fashion, it turned places where I used to feel comfortable into basic no-go zones. ... especially bad places to raise kids.
...But maybe I'm out of touch. Does this mean those black enclave segregated "safe havens" TDK describes are available already? Then what's the problem? What are you guys pining for that you don't already have?
ColiBreh1
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I love the fact that him & Bliss completely ignore that both Racially-segregated & Racially-diverse communities/neighborhoods/suburbs co-exist within the same cities/metro areas.
medullaslashin
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The answer to that question has nothing to do with the lack of segregated communities for blacks. We already have our segregated enclaves... Maybe you're lamenting the fact that they're not as safe or "upwardly mobile" as other ethnic enclaves? ... 'Cause the segregation's there... you can check that part off.
The other stuff (safety, upward mobility) isn't going to magically appear simply because we re-segregate.
What are you saying we stand to gain by re-institutionalizing segregation?
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The Dark King
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Omg who said anything about widespread segregation? I'm talking about having safe havens. There are Jewish neighborhoods there are Russian neighborhoods yet these same people live outside those neighborhoods as well. I'm just saying why can't we have a place that's just for us like everyone else.
Bliss
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Wait...do you want cultures or race?
Aren't there safe Jamaican communities already? Somali? Nigerians? Indian? Chinese?
Even then, there are other cultures and races who live within these communities.
So what exactly then do you want? Do you want to build a wall? How do you ensure it's only one culture living there, and no other, ever.
The Dark King
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Nope building a wall is what you and your crew salivate over try again.
I want a safe monoracial community for black people to live in that's not ravaged by drugs and violence pushed on to us by outside forces doing social experiments. I want a community that's not being policed by a coercive apparatus seeking revenue collection off of people they oppress into desperation. A place where we can develop and practice our own businesses with the same opportunities that literally everyone else has access to. A place where our every move and breath isn't looked at as a threat by someone else.
Get it now?