"Detroit"...I'm gonna rant a bit

The more I read these posts I begin to see there is no shortage of hatred for black men and I honestly don't get it.
Especially with black women, don't they have brothers fathers sons and cousins? They are on this separation tour where everything is about supporting black women and condemning black men unless they bend the knee and worship them or they're gay. Suddenly its all about black women and not black people, can you imagine if any black man said this? I wonder where does that leave us.
I got into it with some women on Facebook recently, Black Couple Revolution, because they posted some nonsense where some shitty white mom said some racist shit to her biracial daughter. Now I support the page because I do believe black couples don't get enough exposure and I come from black couples as do most of my nieces and nephews so I fully support it. However I don't get what place that post had on a page about black couples, until the comments started rolling in and it was basically a bunch of black women saying this is what happens when we don't teach our black boys to stay away from white women. Actually:

OP: A white mother of a "biracial" girl tells her daughter exactly how she feels about her in a text message.
When will Black people stop having sex and children by white supremacists?

Me: I thought this page was about celebrating black couples not bashing interracial couples and non blacks. That's some sad backwards thinking.
And if you think black parents aren't equally as abusive think again. The vast majority of parental abuse black people experience is from shitty black parents. Dating and marrying monracially will not save you from the unhealed scars of others.

Black woman: OK, thanks for to yessa messa long ass essay nigga coon smh... Clearly your ass love yo white women. U probably wouldn't give a fuck what this nutty broad said to the child huh.. See negro like u are dangerous for the black community. In due time coons will have their time

Me: Lol ahhh nothing like hate in the morning
I'm sure whatever man you have in your life must adore your bubbling personality

Another bw: Why are you here anyway, aren't you with Becky?

Me: No I'm not. I don't need to be with a white woman to see this horseshit as straight up wrong

Another bw: So loving and choosing your own people is wrong? WTF

Me: Who said that it was wrong? Like I said I came here to support black couples not spend time bashing interracial couples and white people. It's unnecessary and makes no sense

Another bw: You can't have black children with a white woman anyway

Me: This is ALWAYS a burden thrown at the feet of black men never black women. I'm still waiting for the video where black women give the same message to other black women.

And the reality is that any child I have will be black no matter who their mother is so this entire thing is moot

Bw: A) Statistically, black women have been less likely to date outside their race than black men.
B) It's moot to you - but, obviously not the other people who know that black children cannot come from between the legs of a non-black woman.

Me: A) so what they still do it. Doing it less doesn't absolve them or at least it shouldn't which makes the whole argument ridiculous to begin with.
B) If that nonsense is true that why do these same people praise Obama as our first black president and Malcom X as a great black man or Halle Berry as a beautiful black woman. That argument is a complete moving target.

Bw: Don't think that black women don't catch hell for that. I can only assume you don't see it because if the range of people in your orbit. I know I see it all the time and more than half the time - I see it from other black females such as myself.
Secondly, again, none of the people I have in my orbit consider Obama black. And they also realize that Malcolm X wasn't biracial in that he had a direct white parent. His mother was the product of RAPE and so there was no love lost between him and his raping grandaddy. I'm that instance, I really wish people would get the story straight.

Me: Catch hell how? No one stops a black woman's mobility or threatens their lives the way they do black men. Or maybe it's not reported but as far as our community is concerned we either celebrate it or it isn't mentioned but it never gets the backlash when the genders are reversed.
Secondly if you don't consider Obama black then you weren't paying attention to how he moves in this world and more importantly how he was treated in this world. So if Malcom X doesn't take how about Frederick Douglas or Bob Marley or maybe Jesse Williams? I notice how you glossed over the Halle example though

Conversations like this make me realize for the most part we're on our own.
You dropped deep science on those sisters. You hit it on the head on them never judging their own when they date White or men of other colors.
 
As I've pointed out about the new scenes being shot for the movie The Mountain Between Us, they are re-shooting a scene that involved a kissing scene when movie was in production.

In Production
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Post Production
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It is very clear that they are either doing that scene over or adding to it. But it suggest that they maybe doing it over without the kissing scene. Like I said I feel you on what your saying, but shit like this is going to put a spotlight on Hollywood's and those black women's double standard. In the age of the internet and social media that kissing scene is all over the internet, the movie is already being promoted by everyone except the studio as a romance, mostly because people heard of the book and that's what the studio planned on it being. It will be very noticeable if they take that out and dump the romance angle. I almost want them to do that, because I very much believe that the double standard will be put out there and EVERYTHING will be exposed. Let's not forget Will Smith has a white wife and a biracial child in upcoming Netflix movie BRIGHT. I believe the opposition to the hate on bm/ww romances on screen will be going down very soon. These black women wanted mainstream, now that double standard will come into play and if they keep talking about this movie DETRIOT we all know they are going to soon mention the white women involved with that brotha in this film, that double standard exposure might happen sooner than later.
I read the flick will be relased on October. It could be a tease or a deleted scene.
 
Yep, at Hoteps.

Didn't know there is such a thing as the Ankh Right? I guess they're the symbol's version of Egyptian 'Conservatives" ?
No..they want to pro-create with them, but are frought with sexist and homophobic beliefs. They believe in a ( Black) Patriarchal hierarchy.
You clearly got that info from some black liberal media outlet (that is probably not even owned by black folks; i.e. The Root, Ebony Magazine, Essence Magazine, Huffpost black voices, or etc.)

Here is FAQ from the Twitter Hoteps (Who are really lowkey black conservatives & not necessarily the classic conscious community hoteps) instead: http://hotepnation.com/hotep-faq-frequently-asked-questions/
 
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You clearly got that info from some black liberal media outlet (that is probably not even owned by black folks; i.e. The Root, Ebony Magazine, Essence Magazine, Huffpost black voices, or etc.)

Here is FAQ from the Twitter Hoteps (Who are really lowkey black conservatives & not necessarily the classic conscious community hoteps) instead: http://hotepnation.com/hotep-faq-frequently-asked-questions/

Do you get all your info from the internet or do you actually interact with other people, especially other black people?

"Twitter Hoteps?" "Shea Butter Twitter?" What about real life folks in the flesh? What are they actually saying about various things outside of the limited bubble of the internet.
 
One of the very few film critics that gave DETROIT a rotten tomato is Angelica Jade Bastien a black female who you guessed it brought up and tried to make a big deal out of people outraged that black women weren't represented in this film

"...Before the film’s release, a lot of fury was unleashed when it became clear that black women wouldn’t be important to this story. Films about black history seldom grant black women the importance they deserve. In “Detroit,” they are in the margins. They’re dutiful wives placing a gentle hand on the shoulder of their husbands; they’re silent spectators in courtrooms; they’re sweet motel clerks with no real weight in the story. An elder black female character voices dialogue that is the closest the film gets to any commentary: “No way would they do this to white men,” she says angrily to a news reporter hungry for a good pull quote. "

Her full review: http://movies.clickysound.com/author/angelica-jade-bastien/
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/detroit-2017

She is a top critic too, so there is the first bit of mainstream attention to it, but still small since the film is at
Fresh: 53
Rotten: 3 on https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/detroit_2017/ currently.

But she most definitely gave a platform to these sistas complaining about that. We'll see moving forward.
 
My girlfriend brought up a good point to me this morning when we seen a new commercial for DETROIT that featured black women. She told there were no black women essential to this part of the story that DETROIT is focused on at the Algiers Motel where the incident where black people were killed and others along with two white women were assaulted. That is the main cast, they are going to get most of the character depth and screen time as the main characters should. They along with Angelica want characters that aren't apart of the main cast and essential to the incident that took place in this story to have main character depth and be essential to the story simply because they are black women.

"they're sweet motel clerks with no real weight in the story."

The Motel Clerk?!
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Was that motel clerk(payed by Samira Wiley) essential to this story? I noticed these women also didn't acknowledge Samira Wiley, since they care so much.

It's just more proof they are upset because the main cast is of black men and white women, those two white women including the one sitting on dude's lap in the tv spots and trailer triggered them. A movie about racism that features black men and white women that's getting a lot of attention expected to do big numbers at the Box Office and garnering a lot of Oscar buzz. They don't like that. Because it doesn't make sense for them to want people no matter what race and gender they are that aren't apart of the main cast to have main cast character depth. Want the motel clerk to have weight in this story, want the black wives to do what exactly? What she described is how I have seen spouse's to main characters always be, but I'm pretty sure she downplayed that in this movie due to all this pettiness.

On the bright side this movie is moving along strongly and still has it's wheels so it doesn't look like they are able to do to affect it, but the week is still young, but I believe the positives are too strong. The Dark Tower opens this weekend too and expected to do well, there are no black female main characters in that. lol. But Idris isn't showing any involvement with white women in the tv spots and commercials so that could be why they are silent.
 
My girlfriend brought up a good point to me this morning when we seen a new commercial for DETROIT that featured black women. She told there were no black women essential to this part of the story that DETROIT is focused on at the Algiers Motel where the incident where black people were killed and others along with two white women were assaulted. That is the main cast, they are going to get most of the character depth and screen time as the main characters should. They along with Angelica want characters that aren't apart of the main cast and essential to the incident that took place in this story to have main character depth and be essential to the story simply because they are black women.

"they're sweet motel clerks with no real weight in the story."

The Motel Clerk?!
SlUPWTz.gif


Was that motel clerk(payed by Samira Wiley) essential to this story? I noticed these women also didn't acknowledge Samira Wiley, since they care so much.

It's just more proof they are upset because the main cast is of black men and white women, those two white women including the one sitting on dude's lap in the tv spots and trailer triggered them. A movie about racism that features black men and white women that's getting a lot of attention expected to do big numbers at the Box Office and garnering a lot of Oscar buzz. They don't like that. Because it doesn't make sense for them to want people no matter what race and gender they are that aren't apart of the main cast to have main cast character depth. Want the motel clerk to have weight in this story, want the black wives to do what exactly? What she described is how I have seen spouse's to main characters always be, but I'm pretty sure she downplayed that in this movie due to all this pettiness.

On the bright side this movie is moving along strongly and still has it's wheels so it doesn't look like they are able to do to affect it, but the week is still young, but I believe the positives are too strong. The Dark Tower opens this weekend too and expected to do well, there are no black female main characters in that. lol. But Idris isn't showing any involvement with white women in the tv spots and commercials so that could be why they are silent.
And these same women support the hell out of shit like Scandal. So if it ain't about them the story should never be told. Actually more accurately when the story is about bm without them they have an issue. They supported the hell out of Wonder Woman even though the black women had no speaking roles. So the consensus like always is control black male bodies hate on ww.
 
My girlfriend brought up a good point to me this morning when we seen a new commercial for DETROIT that featured black women. She told there were no black women essential to this part of the story that DETROIT is focused on at the Algiers Motel where the incident where black people were killed and others along with two white women were assaulted. That is the main cast, they are going to get most of the character depth and screen time as the main characters should. They along with Angelica want characters that aren't apart of the main cast and essential to the incident that took place in this story to have main character depth and be essential to the story simply because they are black women.

"they're sweet motel clerks with no real weight in the story."

The Motel Clerk?!
SlUPWTz.gif


Was that motel clerk(payed by Samira Wiley) essential to this story? I noticed these women also didn't acknowledge Samira Wiley, since they care so much.

It's just more proof they are upset because the main cast is of black men and white women, those two white women including the one sitting on dude's lap in the tv spots and trailer triggered them. A movie about racism that features black men and white women that's getting a lot of attention expected to do big numbers at the Box Office and garnering a lot of Oscar buzz. They don't like that. Because it doesn't make sense for them to want people no matter what race and gender they are that aren't apart of the main cast to have main cast character depth. Want the motel clerk to have weight in this story, want the black wives to do what exactly? What she described is how I have seen spouse's to main characters always be, but I'm pretty sure she downplayed that in this movie due to all this pettiness.

On the bright side this movie is moving along strongly and still has it's wheels so it doesn't look like they are able to do to affect it, but the week is still young, but I believe the positives are too strong. The Dark Tower opens this weekend too and expected to do well, there are no black female main characters in that. lol. But Idris isn't showing any involvement with white women in the tv spots and commercials so that could be why they are silent.
And these same women support the hell out of shit like Scandal. So if it ain't about them the story should never be told. Actually more accurately when the story is about bm without them they have an issue. They supported the hell out of Wonder Woman even though the black women had no speaking roles. So the consensus like always is control black male bodies hate on ww.
LOL, these same BW were whining & ranting on Twitter about Wonder Woman being white last month. It was even trending. I think I mentioned it in the fake outrage thread.
 
LOL, these same BW were whining & ranting on Twitter about Wonder Woman being white last month. It was even trending. I think I mentioned it in the fake outrage thread.
When it dropped "this is great for women"
They have yet to get the memo that feminism is for white women only
LOL, they now resort to claiming BW created Feminism & WW stole it from them. Black Feminists are delusional.
 
Fortunate enough to be living in one of the few parts of the country in which Detroit had opened a week early in advance (only 20 total theaters in the nation), I caught a 10 AM matinee showing of “Detroit” on Sunday. It was an….unforgettable experience. The film packs quite a punch, completely mesmerizing. By no means is it perfect. It wasn’t even the best film I saw that day, that honor goes to “Dunkirk”. In fact for the first time ever I saw three films in one day, all at different movie theaters. All were excellent. Detroit. Dunkirk. Landline (which I’ll get to later). “Detroit” rates somewhere between an 8.5 or 9 out of 10. Probably the second best film I’ve seen all year (with Dunkirk being #1).


There’s only a few negatives I hold against it that keeps it from being a surefire 9 or even a 10. Let me get those out of the way. First of all there is the issue that for a stretch you can argue that it loses focus on the black characters and the all the victims in general as it hones in on the brutality of the white cops. During that span of ten to fifteen minutes I can imagine some people being fed up watching it and wanting some of the characters to start fighting back. Around this time Boyega’s intriguing/conflicted character starts becoming less of a factor. Of course this is probably justified considering it mirrors the increasing sense of powerlessness the real person he played had to deal with during that fateful night. Because of this I think Will Poulter (a white actor) has the best chance of any to be nominated for an Academy Awards. A superficial thing to consider of course but I’m just throwing it out there. Another problem with the film is that it’s last act tried to accomplish too much, tried to cover way too much territory and couldn’t completely pull it off. Last of all some of the dialogue is too on-the-nose and lacks subtlety. But that’s a nitpick.

Nonetheless this is an outstanding motion picture, one I will be thinking about for quite awhile. Kathryn Bigelow is a master at this film-as-journalism-approach. The opening is perfect as we are given a quick breakdown of the mass migration of blacks from the South to northern cities like Detroit and the white flight (along with jobs) that result from it. We get the reasons why Detroit was such a pressure cooker and we get the moment that lit the fuse that led to the rebellion/riot. How Bigelow handles this part is fantastic but that whole broad conflict only serves as a backdrop for the main storyline.


As noted before this movie is NOT about the Detroit riots or rebellion. It is about the incident that occurred in a place called the Algiers Motel on the third day of the turmoil. I won’t give much away but let me say that Bigelow expertly sets up the line of events that would lead to tragedy. Her goal here was to not focus so much on character. Don’t take that the wrong way. The victims all are realized as distinct individuals with recognizable human traits. They garner your sympathy quite easily, even before the brutalization by the cops. And speaking of the police they are painted as two-dimensional beings who overstep their authority. They aren’t sympathetic in the least but they aren’t mustache-twirling either because they never feel as if they are doing wrong. But Bigelow isn’t all that interested on dwelling on any deep analysis of any of the characters. Apparently her goal was to create an immersive experience for the audience by playing out the nightmare in real time, allowing the viewers to step in the shoes of those caught up in that mess. Yes, there is a bit of a horror-movie element in those scenes, but it works perfectly. What occurred in that motel was horrifying and sick and beyond dark. And Bigelow doesn’t allow people an easy out by jumping ahead in time, nor does she give viewers a release by cutting to scenes that occur away from the Algiers Motel. Nope. We the audience are as trapped in that sweaty hallway as the characters are.


Besides her direction what makes the movie stand out is the great acting all across the board. I mean everyone is great, even if given limited time. Three of the four main white actors/actresses are British which makes me think of a debate on this board a month ago about Brits “taking” jobs. My point then was that white Brits have been and still are getting countless jobs in America so why are some being wedded to conspiracy theories that opportunities for African American actors alone are being affected? Anyway the Brits are damn good and Boyega is one of them. But the vast majority of the roles were played by Americans. Boyega may be the lone black actor who wasn’t American. Perhaps the closest thing the movie has to a lead character is the one played by Algee Smith. Wasn’t interested in the New Edition movie so “Detroit” is the first time I’ve seen him perform. He was incredible. With his acting ability, looks and voice I would say he has a chance to be a major star. If he was taller though I would guarantee he was destined to be one of the next leading men in the black acting community. Jacob Latimore also shines and looks as if he has a very good career ahead of him too.


Sorry this post ran so long. Let me add that his movie happened to cover a whole lot more territory and story than I was expecting in the first and third acts. It also dealt head-on with some harsh truths in the second act that Hollywood movies never touch upon (more on that in another post). Plus there are actually more black female characters in this film than was let on but they are limited to bit parts, albeit in a couple of cases ones which leave a dent. Hopefully tomorrow I will write a post about why some black women will find reasons to despise this film. Nonetheless Bigelow and her screenwriter Mark Boal (who came up with the idea to do this movie) have my deepest respects and gratitude. Bigelow in particular has cemented her place as one of my all-time faves. It’s really a fantastic film, one I may see in the theaters again, one I will definitely buy when it comes out on Blu Ray. But I have to warn that the film may not be for everybody here, especially if those easily angered/triggered by seeing such brutality portrayed.

Oh, I forgot to mention that I knew the outcome of the events and the names of those who died before I saw the movie. I can only imagine how much more of an impact the film will have on people who know next to nothing going in.


Some side notes:


The “Landline” movie is one of those upcoming films involving a black man in an IR I’ve been meaning to get around to listing (still need to do that list). In this case the youngest daughter, Ali, who is white, is in a relationship with a black male. They get a love scene too and Ali looks to be enjoying sex with her black lover than her older sister is in her love scenes with her fiancé. The relationship Ali has with this guy is only the third most important relationship in the film. He is in fact the definition f a supporting character, but he does good with the limited screentime he gets. I will leave a link to the trailer at the bottom.


Also considering all the years of discussion on this site I found it interesting that two trailers that ran back-to-back before the showing of “Detroit” were “Mountains Between Us” and “Ingrid Goes West”, both of which involves BM involved with women of another race.



 
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Fortunate enough to be living in one of the few parts of the country in which Detroit had opened a week early in advance (only 20 total theaters in the nation), I caught a 10 AM matinee showing of “Detroit” on Sunday. It was an….unforgettable experience. The film packs quite a punch, completely mesmerizing. By no means is it perfect. It wasn’t even the best film I saw that day, that honor goes to “Dunkirk”. In fact for the first time ever I saw three films in one day, all at different movie theaters. All were excellent. Detroit. Dunkirk. Landline (which I’ll get to later). “Detroit” rates somewhere between an 8.5 or 9 out of 10. Probably the second best film I’ve seen all year (with Dunkirk being #1).


There’s only a few negatives I hold against it that keeps it from being a surefire 9 or even a 10. Let me get those out of the way. First of all there is the issue that for a stretch you can argue that it loses focus on the black characters and the all the victims in general as it hones in on the brutality of the white cops. During that span of ten to fifteen minutes I can imagine some people being fed up watching it and wanting some of the characters to start fighting back. Around this time Boyega’s intriguing/conflicted character starts becoming less of a factor. Of course this is probably justified considering it mirrors the increasing sense of powerlessness the real person he played had to deal with during that fateful night. Because of this I think Will Poulter (a white actor) has the best chance of any to be nominated for an Academy Awards. A superficial thing to consider of course but I’m just throwing it out there. Another problem with the film is that it’s last act tried to accomplish too much, tried to cover way too much territory and couldn’t completely pull it off. Last of all some of the dialogue is too on-the-nose and lacks subtlety. But that’s a nitpick.

Nonetheless this is an outstanding motion picture, one I will be thinking about for quite awhile. Kathryn Bigelow is a master at this film-as-journalism-approach. The opening is perfect as we are given a quick breakdown of the mass migration of blacks from the South to northern cities like Detroit and the white flight (along with jobs) that result from it. We get the reasons why Detroit was such a pressure cooker and we get the moment that lit the fuse that led to the rebellion/riot. How Bigelow handles this part is fantastic but that whole broad conflict only serves as a backdrop for the main storyline.


As noted before this movie is NOT about the Detroit riots or rebellion. It is about the incident that occurred in a place called the Algiers Motel on the third day of the turmoil. I won’t give much away but let me say that Bigelow expertly sets up the line of events that would lead to tragedy. Her goal here was to not focus so much on character. Don’t take that the wrong way. The victims all are realized as distinct individuals with recognizable human traits. They garner your sympathy quite easily, even before the brutalization by the cops. And speaking of the police they are painted as two-dimensional beings who overstep their authority. They aren’t sympathetic in the least but they aren’t mustache-twirling either because they never feel as if they are doing wrong. But Bigelow isn’t all that interested on dwelling on any deep analysis of any of the characters. Apparently her goal was to create an immersive experience for the audience by playing out the nightmare in real time, allowing the viewers to step in the shoes of those caught up in that mess. Yes, there is a bit of a horror-movie element in those scenes, but it works perfectly. What occurred in that motel was horrifying and sick and beyond dark. And Bigelow doesn’t allow people an easy out by jumping ahead in time, nor does she give viewers a release by cutting to scenes that occur away from the Algiers Motel. Nope. We the audience are as trapped in that sweaty hallway as the characters are.


Besides her direction what makes the movie stand out is the great acting all across the board. I mean everyone is great, even if given limited time. Three of the four main white actors/actresses are British which makes me think of a debate on this board a month ago about Brits “taking” jobs. My point then was that white Brits have been and still are getting countless jobs in America so why are some being wedded to conspiracy theories that opportunities for African American actors alone are being affected? Anyway the Brits are damn good and Boyega is one of them. But the vast majority of the roles were played by Americans. Boyega may be the lone black actor who wasn’t American. Perhaps the closest thing the movie has to a lead character is the one played by Algee Smith. Wasn’t interested in the New Edition movie so “Detroit” is the first time I’ve seen him perform. He was incredible. With his acting ability, looks and voice I would say he has a chance to be a major star. If he was taller though I would guarantee he was destined to be one of the next leading men in the black acting community. Jacob Latimore also shines and looks as if he has a very good career ahead of him too.


Sorry this post ran so long. Let me add that his movie happened to cover a whole lot more territory and story than I was expecting in the first and third acts. It also dealt head-on with some harsh truths in the second act that Hollywood movies never touch upon (more on that in another post). Plus there are actually more black female characters in this film than was let on but they are limited to bit parts, albeit in a couple of cases ones which leave a dent. Hopefully tomorrow I will write a post about why some black women will find reasons to despise this film. Nonetheless Bigelow and her screenwriter Mark Boal (who came up with the idea to do this movie) have my deepest respects and gratitude. Bigelow in particular has cemented her place as one of my all-time faves. It’s really a fantastic film, one I may see in the theaters again, one I will definitely buy when it comes out on Blu Ray. But I have to warn that the film may not be for everybody here, especially if those easily angered/triggered by seeing such brutality portrayed.



Some side notes:


The “Landline” movie is one of those upcoming films involving a black man in an IR I’ve been meaning to get around to listing (still need to do that list). In this case the youngest daughter, Ali, who is white, is in a relationship with a black male. They get a love scene too and Ali looks to be enjoying sex with her black lover than her older sister is in her love scenes with her fiancé. The relationship Ali has with this guy is only the third most important relationship in the film. He is in fact the definition f a supporting character, but he does good with the limited screentime he gets. I will leave a link to the trailer at the bottom.


Also considering all the years of discussion on this site I found it interesting that two trailers that ran back-to-back before the showing of “Detroit” were “Mountains Between Us” and “Ingrid Goes West”, both of which involves BM involved with women of another race.



You should be a movie reviewer.

Landlines looks boring as hell. Sorry
 
One of the very few film critics that gave DETROIT a rotten tomato is Angelica Jade Bastien a black female who you guessed it brought up and tried to make a big deal out of people outraged that black women weren't represented in this film

"...Before the film’s release, a lot of fury was unleashed when it became clear that black women wouldn’t be important to this story. Films about black history seldom grant black women the importance they deserve. In “Detroit,” they are in the margins. They’re dutiful wives placing a gentle hand on the shoulder of their husbands; they’re silent spectators in courtrooms; they’re sweet motel clerks with no real weight in the story. An elder black female character voices dialogue that is the closest the film gets to any commentary: “No way would they do this to white men,” she says angrily to a news reporter hungry for a good pull quote. "

Her full review: http://movies.clickysound.com/author/angelica-jade-bastien/
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/detroit-2017

She is a top critic too, so there is the first bit of mainstream attention to it, but still small since the film is at
Fresh: 53
Rotten: 3 on https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/detroit_2017/ currently.

But she most definitely gave a platform to these sistas complaining about that. We'll see moving forward.


Fuck her. I know of this lady. She is sometimes a guest host on one of my favorite film podcasts and I hate it whenever she makes an appearance. She somehow has credentials as being a "top critic" when in reality she is a bit too young to have an established rep and she doesn't work as the main critic for any of the major newspapers or websites. The most high profile site she works for is Vulture but she only does TV show critiques for that site. For the most part she is a free agent, showing up on the Roger Ebert site more than anywhere else. On twitter she cried her internet tears and talked about how she is so happy she had become a critic in order to add a different voice/perspective to the field. That's all good and everything but she is saying this because she is pissed that so many reviewers are giving overall positive view for "Detroit". Earlier in the year she made it known that she HATED "Get Out" too but she never wrote a review explaining in detail what she had against that film. On twitter she is the go-to critic for those who are against "Detroit" and looking for others to back up their viewpoint or justify their stance. Oh and its funny how she comments that the lack of black women may be the least of the film's problems even though she makes that the first thing to complain about.
 
You should be a movie reviewer.

Landlines looks boring as hell. Sorry

LOL. It is because of comments like this that I stopped listing the movies I just saw in the recent movie threads. I would get no feedback for talking about these arthouse motion pictures all the while seeing others getting far more feedback by discussing the latest version of "Sharknado". :)

I found "Landline" to be as funny and engaging as "The Big Sick" but you'd would probably find the trailer for that film boring too.
 
Fortunate enough to be living in one of the few parts of the country in which Detroit had opened a week early in advance (only 20 total theaters in the nation), I caught a 10 AM matinee showing of “Detroit” on Sunday. It was an….unforgettable experience. The film packs quite a punch, completely mesmerizing. By no means is it perfect. It wasn’t even the best film I saw that day, that honor goes to “Dunkirk”. In fact for the first time ever I saw three films in one day, all at different movie theaters. All were excellent. Detroit. Dunkirk. Landline (which I’ll get to later). “Detroit” rates somewhere between an 8.5 or 9 out of 10. Probably the second best film I’ve seen all year (with Dunkirk being #1).


There’s only a few negatives I hold against it that keeps it from being a surefire 9 or even a 10. Let me get those out of the way. First of all there is the issue that for a stretch you can argue that it loses focus on the black characters and the all the victims in general as it hones in on the brutality of the white cops. During that span of ten to fifteen minutes I can imagine some people being fed up watching it and wanting some of the characters to start fighting back. Around this time Boyega’s intriguing/conflicted character starts becoming less of a factor. Of course this is probably justified considering it mirrors the increasing sense of powerlessness the real person he played had to deal with during that fateful night. Because of this I think Will Poulter (a white actor) has the best chance of any to be nominated for an Academy Awards. A superficial thing to consider of course but I’m just throwing it out there. Another problem with the film is that it’s last act tried to accomplish too much, tried to cover way too much territory and couldn’t completely pull it off. Last of all some of the dialogue is too on-the-nose and lacks subtlety. But that’s a nitpick.

Nonetheless this is an outstanding motion picture, one I will be thinking about for quite awhile. Kathryn Bigelow is a master at this film-as-journalism-approach. The opening is perfect as we are given a quick breakdown of the mass migration of blacks from the South to northern cities like Detroit and the white flight (along with jobs) that result from it. We get the reasons why Detroit was such a pressure cooker and we get the moment that lit the fuse that led to the rebellion/riot. How Bigelow handles this part is fantastic but that whole broad conflict only serves as a backdrop for the main storyline.


As noted before this movie is NOT about the Detroit riots or rebellion. It is about the incident that occurred in a place called the Algiers Motel on the third day of the turmoil. I won’t give much away but let me say that Bigelow expertly sets up the line of events that would lead to tragedy. Her goal here was to not focus so much on character. Don’t take that the wrong way. The victims all are realized as distinct individuals with recognizable human traits. They garner your sympathy quite easily, even before the brutalization by the cops. And speaking of the police they are painted as two-dimensional beings who overstep their authority. They aren’t sympathetic in the least but they aren’t mustache-twirling either because they never feel as if they are doing wrong. But Bigelow isn’t all that interested on dwelling on any deep analysis of any of the characters. Apparently her goal was to create an immersive experience for the audience by playing out the nightmare in real time, allowing the viewers to step in the shoes of those caught up in that mess. Yes, there is a bit of a horror-movie element in those scenes, but it works perfectly. What occurred in that motel was horrifying and sick and beyond dark. And Bigelow doesn’t allow people an easy out by jumping ahead in time, nor does she give viewers a release by cutting to scenes that occur away from the Algiers Motel. Nope. We the audience are as trapped in that sweaty hallway as the characters are.


Besides her direction what makes the movie stand out is the great acting all across the board. I mean everyone is great, even if given limited time. Three of the four main white actors/actresses are British which makes me think of a debate on this board a month ago about Brits “taking” jobs. My point then was that white Brits have been and still are getting countless jobs in America so why are some being wedded to conspiracy theories that opportunities for African American actors alone are being affected? Anyway the Brits are damn good and Boyega is one of them. But the vast majority of the roles were played by Americans. Boyega may be the lone black actor who wasn’t American. Perhaps the closest thing the movie has to a lead character is the one played by Algee Smith. Wasn’t interested in the New Edition movie so “Detroit” is the first time I’ve seen him perform. He was incredible. With his acting ability, looks and voice I would say he has a chance to be a major star. If he was taller though I would guarantee he was destined to be one of the next leading men in the black acting community. Jacob Latimore also shines and looks as if he has a very good career ahead of him too.


Sorry this post ran so long. Let me add that his movie happened to cover a whole lot more territory and story than I was expecting in the first and third acts. It also dealt head-on with some harsh truths in the second act that Hollywood movies never touch upon (more on that in another post). Plus there are actually more black female characters in this film than was let on but they are limited to bit parts, albeit in a couple of cases ones which leave a dent. Hopefully tomorrow I will write a post about why some black women will find reasons to despise this film. Nonetheless Bigelow and her screenwriter Mark Boal (who came up with the idea to do this movie) have my deepest respects and gratitude. Bigelow in particular has cemented her place as one of my all-time faves. It’s really a fantastic film, one I may see in the theaters again, one I will definitely buy when it comes out on Blu Ray. But I have to warn that the film may not be for everybody here, especially if those easily angered/triggered by seeing such brutality portrayed.



Some side notes:


The “Landline” movie is one of those upcoming films involving a black man in an IR I’ve been meaning to get around to listing (still need to do that list). In this case the youngest daughter, Ali, who is white, is in a relationship with a black male. They get a love scene too and Ali looks to be enjoying sex with her black lover than her older sister is in her love scenes with her fiancé. The relationship Ali has with this guy is only the third most important relationship in the film. He is in fact the definition f a supporting character, but he does good with the limited screentime he gets. I will leave a link to the trailer at the bottom.


Also considering all the years of discussion on this site I found it interesting that two trailers that ran back-to-back before the showing of “Detroit” were “Mountains Between Us” and “Ingrid Goes West”, both of which involves BM involved with women of another race.





Man, you should become a film critic. That was excellent critique of both films. Landline is another film with IR relationship involving a black man I guess we can add to the list of films that USAToday "missed" in their article about IR in films coming out this year, while naming all of those bw/wm IR couples in film this year.

BTW is the actress playing Ali of age? I know hollywood has the tendency to involve under age girls in sex scenes or a girl playing an under age teenager. Remember that Kissing scene Jennifer Lawrence had with Bokeem Woodbine? That makes me uncomfortable to watch those.
 
LOL. It is because of comments like this that I stopped listing the movies I just saw in the recent movie threads. I would get no feedback for talking about these arthouse motion pictures all the while seeing others getting far more feedback by discussing the latest version of "Sharknado". :)

I found "Landline" to be as funny and engaging as "The Big Sick" but you'd would probably find the trailer for that film boring too.
I'm not knocking your enthused response to it, l'm just not a fan of conversation movies. I find such characters self-absorbed and long-winded. It's why l can't sit through relationship movies aka Woody Allen types.
I need a mystery or thriller tied in, or if it's fact based l can tolerate it.

The only conversation movie l ADORE is The Goodbye Girl. Could watch it on loop.

Landline looks slow and tries too hard to be artsy. Made for cable. Not movie theatres, IMO.
 
Man, you should become a film critic. That was excellent critique of both films. Landline is another film with IR relationship involving a black man I guess we can add to the list of films that USAToday "missed" in their article about IR in films coming out this year, while naming all of those bw/wm IR couples in film this year.

To be fair in such articles you are never going to list all of the examples. I mean the article missed some upcoming films involving IR between WM/BW too. I learned abut these films over the course of time, one by one. The person writing the article was not keeping up with the latest news like I had been and had to come up with examples for his/her piece on the fly. He/she still managed to lsit some examples I was unaware of.

BTW is the actress playing Ali of age? I know hollywood has the tendency to involve under age girls in sex scenes or a girl playing an under age teenager. Remember that Kissing scene Jennifer Lawrence had with Bokeem Woodbine? That makes me uncomfortable to watch those.

She's a newcomer whom I think is in her early 20s.
 
To be fair in such articles you are never going to list all of the examples. I mean the article missed some upcoming films involving IR between WM/BW too. I learned abut these films over the course of time, one by one. The person writing the article was not keeping up with the latest news like I had been and had to come up with examples for his/her piece on the fly. He/she still managed to lsit some examples I was unaware of.



She's a newcomer whom I think is in her early 20s.

Okay, I couldn't find the actress' (Abby Quinn) birthdate anywhere.
 
I'm not knocking your enthused response to it, l'm just not a fan of conversation movies. I find such characters self-absorbed and long-winded. It's why l can't sit through relationship movies aka Woody Allen types.
I need a mystery or thriller tied in, or if it's fact based l can tolerate it.

The only conversation movie l ADORE is The Goodbye Girl. Could watch it on loop.

Landline looks slow and tries too hard to be artsy. Made for cable. Not movie theatres, IMO.


Well, it is a movie shown in arthouse theaters so I guess one can excuse it for being artsy. It does have a lot of conversations but none that last too long. But the main takeaway is how people ate it up and laughed and enjoyed themselves while watching it. Its jokes landed far more than those from Hollywood comedies that flood the market. I respect Woody Allen as a filmmaker but I'm not one to see most of his work and Landline is not anything like a Woody Allen film. The people in the film are not that self-absorbed nor do they talk on endlessly. You get in and out of scenes quickly. There aren't any neurotic characters and there are people of color everywhere in the film. That's as far away from Woody as you can get. The similarities are that it takes place in NYC and that the characters are of (partly) Jewish heritage. I see a lot of these independent films and trust me I don't recommend all of them to people to see at the movie theaters. Recent ones I caught in theaters like "Bandaid" and "Beatrice at Dinner" were so-so artsy movies not worth the hype that you can definitely catch on cable on days you got nothing better to do. Nothing wrong with catching "Landline" on cable or streaming either. But, just like 'The Big SicK', I feel its actually worth seeing in the theaters if its playing nearby. And I support stuff like that because I hate that movie theaters are increasingly becoming venues only for superhero films, expensive YA adaptations and bloated thrillers/mysteries. But to each his/her own. "Landline" is being distributed by Amazon anyway so once its short window in theaters is over it will be something people can stream pretty soon.

BTw I take no offense at your remarks. I didn't see you as trying to knock my enthusiasm or anything. Its all good.
 
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